In your experience, does an increase in your squat lead to an increase in your dead

[KevinAlvarez123]

Do you use the same stance on both lifts (wide squat/sumo dead or narrow stance/conventional)?

I recently started training with a narrow stance/high bar and started to see my deadlift improve. I could never understand how people increased their deadlift by only squatting but I think it might have to do with their stance

in b4 this has already been covered

[Link815]

My deadlift has always gone up with my squat. I have never really focused on deadlift.. or done much of it at all, but it still goes up a bit at a time while my squat goes up.

[QUADZofPEACE]

I recently completed Smolov and didn't deadlift once during the 3 months. Squat went up 35lbs, deadlift went up 15lbs, but I felt I had more (probably 10lbs) in my deadlift had I not maxed out on squats right before deadlift.

[Big Sexy J]

I wish.

[dan_g_28]

When I was squatting I would squat heavyish like 4 out of 5 weeks, pull heavy the other, and hit speed pulls most of the time on my second lower body day. This took my deadlift from ~600 to 650. However, I recently took my deadlift from 650 to 700 without squatting at all. So it can be done each way.

So basically my post is pointless.

[BigJon55]

Not for me. My Squat and Deadlift operate independently from one another

[ChecksandGiggles]

Mine are pretty independent.

[eXpiRaTioN_DaTe]

for me, definitely. almost all my deadlift PRs were set after making substantial gains on my regular stance, boxless squat. close stance (about DL stance if you pull conventional) below parallel paused box squats also were a good indicator lift for them.

but as youve seen from the responses in this thread so far, this appears to vary greatly depending on the individual so just keep that in mind

[KevinAlvarez123]

Not for me. My Squat and Deadlift operate independently from one another

Mine are pretty independent.

When I was squatting I would squat heavyish like 4 out of 5 weeks, pull heavy the other, and hit speed pulls most of the time on my second lower body day. This took my deadlift from ~600 to 650. However, I recently took my deadlift from 650 to 700 without squatting at all. So it can be done each way.

So basically my post is pointless.

I recently completed Smolov and didn't deadlift once during the 3 months. Squat went up 35lbs, deadlift went up 15lbs, but I felt I had more (probably 10lbs) in my deadlift had I not maxed out on squats right before deadlift.

My deadlift has always gone up with my squat. I have never really focused on deadlift.. or done much of it at all, but it still goes up a bit at a time while my squat goes up.

Is your stance the same on both lifts? Narrow squat and conventional dead or wide squat and sumo dead

I wish.

I know you use a wide stance squat and a conventional deadlift... I am wondering if having a same stance on these lifts is correlated with them moving together

for me, definitely. almost all my deadlift PRs were set after making substantial gains on my regular stance, boxless squat. close stance (about DL stance if you pull conventional) below parallel paused box squats also were a good indicator lift for them.

but as youve seen from the responses in this thread so far, this appears to vary greatly depending on the individual so just keep that in mind

Thanks. I think I am seeing this as a bit of a trend

[ChecksandGiggles]

Shoulder width low bar Squat, narrower than that conventional DL. Strangely enough, I FS 405 with a stance that's almost the same as my DL stance and my FS doesn't drive my DL either. I think one of the major issues people overlook when it comes to Pulling is how tight Squatting makes your hips. Tight hips=bad lockout, rounded back, poor posterior chain activation, and bad mechanics.

[ICEMANLIDDELL]

Been curious about this, started smolov recently, don't want to lose weight on deadlift. hit a 440lb single on christmas. hopefully it stays on the up and up.

[KevinAlvarez123]

Shoulder width low bar Squat, narrower than that conventional DL. Strangely enough, I FS 405 with a stance that's almost the same as my DL stance and my FS doesn't drive my DL either. I think one of the major issues people overlook when it comes to Pulling is how tight Squatting makes your hips. Tight hips=bad lockout, rounded back, poor posterior chain activation, and bad mechanics.

I am not sure if I am following this. What if you loosen up your hips with mobility work? I do find it odd that a 405 FS doesn't drive up your dead though

[ChecksandGiggles]

When my hips are loose and I am mobile, I Pull a lot better and I tend to feel the movement a lot more in my glutes and hammies rather than my low back. When I'm out of practice/tight my low back gets the most sore. I feel like I should be Pulling close to 600 but I'm missing something in my form. There's also the weight gain-when I was 165 I Pulled my first 500, now at 208 I Pull 525 (though my Squat and Bench have increased by a LOT), so I feel like the combination of tighter hips from Squatting more+worse leverages from weight gain almost cancel out the increases in strength I've reaped from getting bigger and stronger. Does that make sense?

[KevinAlvarez123]

Yeah I get it totally now. I was 5'7 245 at one point and deadlifting was horrible because of mobility problems. I still don't think it's fair to blame squatting for a lack of mobility though. I've never had any hip problems from squatting though so maybe I don't know that feel

[littlebones6]

I feel a bit of carryover. I squat shoulder width and I deadlift maybe 1-2" narrower than that, so my stances are fairly similar.

[arian11]

How can you know for sure unless you are solely squatting? When I did smolov, I was doing nothing but squat and bench and my deadlift went from 440 to 470 after the 3 week base. But other times I am doing squats, deadlifts, RDLs, front squats, back work, and other exercises. I would think it is basically impossible to tell unless you keep everything exactly the same and just add in 1 variable, which most people don't do. If my lifts are going up, then I'll just try to do the same stuff over again and not worry about what exactly is driving what.

For example I just hit a 15 lbs PR on my deadlift but I couldn't tell you if it was the chest supported rows, deadlift reps, GHRs, front squats, lat pulldowns, squats, DB rows or whatever else. So I'm just gonna do those things again and up my weights and volume and see if I can hit another PR.

[KevinAlvarez123]

How can you know for sure unless you are solely squatting? When I did smolov, I was doing nothing but squat and bench and my deadlift went from 440 to 470 after the 3 week base. But other times I am doing squats, deadlifts, RDLs, front squats, back work, and other exercises. I would think it is basically impossible to tell unless you keep everything exactly the same and just add in 1 variable, which most people don't do. If my lifts are going up, then I'll just try to do the same stuff over again and not worry about what exactly is driving what.

For example I just hit a 15 lbs PR on my deadlift but I couldn't tell you if it was the chest supported rows, deadlift reps, GHRs, front squats, lat pulldowns, squats, DB rows or whatever else. So I'm just gonna do those things again and up my weights and volume and see if I can hit another PR.

I am not going to use this as a case study, I know nobody can know for sure

Do you use the same squat stance as your deadlift stance?

[arian11]

I am not going to use this as a case study, I know nobody can know for sure

Do you use the same squat stance as your deadlift stance?

I'm always moving my squat stance around alittle but it stays around shoulder width. I always do conventional deadlift. So I guess you can say the stances are the same though my feet are much closer together for deadlift than squat even with a narrow stance squat.

[ilovethe80s]

yes. everything makes my dead go up. I hardly deadlift other than occasional light speed pull cycles close to a meet, but it just goes up. other lifts don't seem to do that, unfortunately.

[Torrtrefireto]

Not for me, if anything its the opposite

^^ squats narrow, pulls sumo

[dtaps24]

I don't know. I hope this helps.

[thom2355]

When I was squatting I would squat heavyish like 4 out of 5 weeks, pull heavy the other, and hit speed pulls most of the time on my second lower body day. This took my deadlift from ~600 to 650. However, I recently took my deadlift from 650 to 700 without squatting at all. So it can be done each way.

So basically my post is pointless.

Wait....so what you are saying is that when you get stronger....you get stronger?

[BigLarge]

Yes. I squat narrow and deadlift narrow. Ive done DL specific programs that didnt help my squat, however, after running Smolov my deadlift went up.

[breathinglife]

I think if your squat is less than your dl by a lot, it's likely that you need to focus on squat. I've done this to a fault, but it brought my dead from 565 to 600, and I basically only DL at meets.

[KevinAlvarez123]

yes. everything makes my dead go up. I hardly deadlift other than occasional light speed pull cycles close to a meet, but it just goes up. other lifts don't seem to do that, unfortunately.

Do you use the same squat stance as you do deadlift?

Not for me, if anything its the opposite

^^ squats narrow, pulls sumo

Seems common in this thread

I don't know. I hope this helps.

Idk if even zatsiorsky or siff could solve your programming mysteries

Yes. I squat narrow and deadlift narrow. Ive done DL specific programs that didnt help my squat, however, after running Smolov my deadlift went up.

Thanks

I think if your squat is less than your dl by a lot, it's likely that you need to focus on squat. I've done this to a fault, but it brought my dead from 565 to 600, and I basically only DL at meets.

Do you use the same stance on squat as you do on deadlift?



It seems like a lot of people see carryover from squatting when they use a narrow stance on both squat and dead

[ilovethe80s]

Do you use the same stance on squat as you do on deadlift?

It seems like a lot of people see carryover from squatting when they use a narrow stance on both squat and dead

I think my squat stance is relatively narrow, but it is much wider than my deadlift stance. deadlift is very, very narrow, insteps just a couple of inches from each other.

[shffl]

Not for me unfortunately. Squat went from 365 to 405 and DL still at 475

[LiftingSteve93]

For me, yes. I squat ATG with my feet the same width as my deadlift foot positioning. Over the summer, I neglected deadlift (a lot), while improving my ATG squat quite a bit. Next time I maxed on deads, it was higher. One of training partners ran a high volume ATG squat for awhile with absolutely no deads. When he did deads again, he hit an all time pr.

Keep in mind though, we still worked accessories.

[IzzyT]

I'm not sure to be honest. My best wide stance squat is 445x5. I have also front squatted 275x5 rather easily. My best conventional deadlift is 395x5 or 455x1. My best sumo pull is 365x8. My deadlift seems to make the most progress when I'm not squatting at all which has only happened a couple of times due to injuries to my shoulders/elbows.

[xRequiem]

No and I squat wide pull sumo. My stances are only 1-2" different.