How do we address the mentally iil problem in America

[itmaybeover]

This issue has become so politicized now that people are afraid to admit that we still have a serious problem with mentally ill people in society. Even 60% of those diagnosed with mental illnesses don't receive any sort of treatment and majority of those that do receive treatment are still left to be in society without having to even be identified that they have a mental illness. So not only do we have undiagnosed people with mental illnesses, those who are diagnosed but not receiving treatment (roughly 10 million Americans) but we also have those receiving treatment but not required to be identified. We have a seriously flawed system. We have millions of Americans suffering from some form of mental illness but the system is designed so that these people never receive help, aren't required to receive help, or receive help but because of privacy we can never know who these people are in society and calling it out is looked at as shaming

[JUSA]

How do we address the mentally ill problem in these forums?

[EmmaW4tson]

Probably because they are a useful demograph in Dem majority areas.

[jtaylor2010]

The first step would be to move away from a system that drastically overproduces mentally ill people.



Moving back towards the nuclear family being the norm instead of an outlier is probably a good starting point.

[LtGoose]

Classify liberalism as a mental disorder so the mentally ill can start getting the help they need

[SaltyDog920]

Ban liberals.

[Jaydawg08]

Ban SaltyDog920.

Well I mean it's a start

[BadMonkeyFunker]

put all right wingers in straight jackets and throw away the keys... watch overall mental health improve in the country....overnight....


LMFAO!!!

[A-GAME]

How do we address the mentally iil problem in America

Free helicopter rides for socialists

[HaiMeesk]

Pharmaceutical companies and corrupt doctors have been raking billions telling healthy people, including little kids, that they're sick and need their pills. Hit them in the same manner as big tobacco and have them pay for the damage they've created.

[ItsWhatIDo]

Came in expecting a Joe Biden thread

[TinderGame2]

Converting to Islam would cure most problems.

Less whoredom incels and anarcho capitalism

[BetaAsPhuck]

James Gilligan is a psychiatrist and anti-violence expert, and he treats aggression and a propensity for violence as a mental health problem.

He went into a psychiatric prison with a high violent crime rate, and brought in a team of therapists. After a year and a half the violent crime rate in the prison had dropped to near zero...

The study, about the intervention...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1582...hare=nynyumlib

James Gilligan's site.

https://med.nyu.edu/faculty/james-f-gilligan

So if you factor in chronic aggression as a mental health problem, the number is even higher when combined with people with addiction, anxiety, depression, or mood disorders.


An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...

So movements like Positive Parenting and Non-Violent Communication would help, because how we are communicated with and treated as kids has a profound affect on long term mental health...

https://acestoohigh.com/got-your-ace-score/

The US also needs to get rid of cultures that promote violence and addiction, like hip hop.

Another important thing, fatherlessness seriously screw up young men. It's no coincidence that the rate of fatherlessness is disproportionately high in a demographic, and they have a disproportionately high rate of violent criminals.

[BetaAsPhuck]

Self-therapy, and community organized group therapy too IMO is needed. The state is in bed with Big Pharma.

(Even just having a pact amongst bros, to engage in self-therapy and group-therapy. Working on communication skills and healing childhood trauma.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TIxkifeStY

[trapspot]

I don’t know if it’ll improve in the next 10 years. It got exponentially worse each year from 2014-2020

We’ll need something revolutionary srs

[katya422]

James Gilligan is a psychiatrist and anti-violence expert, and he treats aggression and a propensity for violence as a mental health problem.

He went into a psychiatric prison with a high violent crime rate, and brought in a team of therapists. After a year and a half the violent crime rate in the prison had dropped to near zero...

The study, about the intervention...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1582...hare=nynyumlib

James Gilligan's site.

https://med.nyu.edu/faculty/james-f-gilligan

So if you factor in chronic aggression as a mental health problem, the number is even higher when combined with people with addiction, anxiety, depression, or mood disorders.


An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure...

So movements like Positive Parenting and Non-Violent Communication would help, because how we are communicated with and treated as kids has a profound affect on long term mental health...

https://acestoohigh.com/got-your-ace-score/

The US also needs to get rid of cultures that promote violence and addiction, like hip hop.

Another important thing, fatherlessness seriously screw up young men. It's no coincidence that the rate of fatherlessness is disproportionately high in a demographic, and they have a disproportionately high rate of violent criminals.

At some point you have to take responsibility for yourself and stop blaming your parents. However just because you have to fix it doesn't mean they didn't start it. I suspect a good chunk of the problem is poor behavior passed along generationally with some genetics thrown in for good measure.

And then a lot of it is people just struggling economically or not having enough social connection in our current system.

IME docs mostly just want to give you pills. Been through some things the past few years and when I bring it up in a medical setting they start pushing meds. Not saying some people don't need them, or aren't helped by them, just saying. Sometimes you feel bad because you are going through some actual bad stuff that needs to be processed or resolved, not because you have a chemical imbalance.

[BadMonkeyFunker]

I don’t know if it’ll improve in the next 10 years. It got exponentially worse each year from 2014-2020

We’ll need something revolutionary srs

You have 2000-2008 bush era ... wars, lies and as a result - financial collapse - lost generation. Right when it was getting better - then you got trump. another 4 years of daily fukery - constant daily fear mongering, attacks and divide like never before. another lost generation.

generations lost their childhood and then their future. You can't blame them that it got worse.

Never vote for a republican ever again.

[brighamw]

Pharmaceutical companies and corrupt doctors have been raking billions telling healthy people, including little kids, that they're sick and need their pills. Hit them in the same manner as big tobacco and have them pay for the damage they've created.

Good start...

[Noliberals4]

we do not have a mental illness problem.

I am sick and tired of everyone blaming their crappy behavior on "mental illness." It's not mentally ill to be a crappy person.... you're just crap.

[DuracellBunny]

I'd be interested to see the crossover between the mentally ill and drug users. Are the mentally ill self medicating, or is the rise in strength and availability of recreational drugs, driving an increase in mental illness.

[eod8989]

Classify liberalism as mental disorder so the mentally ill can start getting the help they need

This, as liberalism increases so will the mental illness. It's that simple.

[BetaAsPhuck]

At some point you have to take responsibility for yourself and stop blaming your parents.

It's not simply 'blame' that creates the negative affects. The negative affects happen, regardless if a person 'blames' their absent father/chitty parents or not. The stats show that.

Regarding fatherlessness...

It can be very important for a man (I can tell you from experience) to identify that some of their dysfunction is due to fatherlessness, because there are certain psychological needs a boy has that only a father (or father figure) can meet. When you identify what exactly is the wound, then you can work on healing it.

I have noticed (to be blunt) that a lot of women simply can't seem to understand just how much not having a good relationship with a father, or father figure, can screw up a boy. A lot of men either overcompensate (e.g. hypermasculinity, wannabe alpha males) or becoming doormats to women (e.g. simps) IME.

I can never forget when Ann Coulter brought it up on multiple shows, with stats to back it up, and how the single mothers simply flipped at her, rather than thinking "I better make sure my son has a father figure in her". One woman "a single mother psychologist" simply thought the issues was 'discipline' that the father could possibly provide, and so was offended that she might be suggesting that she can't discipline her son. She didn't seem to grasp that for a boy or girl to have a fatherly relationship can have psychological benefits, that she simply can't give her child.



Show 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9PeEIIFoXs

Show 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K5z7vwJg58

Show 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QxrDbZTC0o

I suspect a good chunk of the problem is poor behavior passed along generationally with some genetics thrown in for good measure.

And then a lot of it is people just struggling economically or not having enough social connection in our current system.

I agree.

However, fatherlessness also plays a big role I believe, like the stats show. I even saw the issues it created in my white friends, who grew up without dads. They were honestly just as dysfunctional as my black friends who grew up without dads. The most well adjusted of my teen social circle grew up with dads.

[DuracellBunny]

I agree.

However, fatherlessness also plays a big role I believe, like the stats show. I even saw the issues it created in my white friends, who grew up without dads. They were honestly just as dysfunctional as my black friends who grew up without dads. The most well adjusted of my teen social circle grew up with dads.

That rapidly becomes a very dangerous area to discuss.

If you stipulate a direct cause between fatherlessness and disfunction and hence criminal tendencies, you are stating that groups with higher incidences of fatherlessness are destined to commit crime at higher rates.

You know where that conversation leads and it never ends well.

[BetaAsPhuck]

That rapidly becomes a very dangerous area to discuss.

If you stipulate a direct cause between fatherlessness and disfunction and hence criminal tendencies, you are stating that groups with higher incidences of fatherlessness are destined to commit crime at higher rates.

It's not necessary to state that it's destiny, it can just be stated that it fatherlessness creates a propensity for dysfunction (which it does). That is not fatalism.

Like I already said in the very next post, Self-Therapy and Group therapy can help to heal those wounds (as can professonal one to one therapy).

People can 'self-intervene', but it's far, far better to try to encourage a state of affairs where people don't have to spend years trying to heal the wounds of poor parenting/fatherlessness.

Also, just to stress... Violent criminality is not the only dysfunctional propensity that fatherlessness tends to create.

[DuracellBunny]

It's not necessary to state that it's destiny, it can just be stated that it fatherlessness creates a propensity for dysfunction (which it does). That is not fatalism.

Like I already said in the very next post, Self-Therapy and Group therapy can help to heal those wounds (as can professonal one to one therapy).

People can 'self-intervene', but it's far, far better to try to encourage a state of affairs where people don't have to spend years trying to heal the wounds of poor parenting/fatherlessness.

Also, just to stress... Violent criminality is not the only dysfunctional propensity that fatherlessness tends to create.

I'm more interested in seeing rates of drug use below the age of 25. As the prefrontal cortex is the last area of the brain to fully develop and is crucially tied to criminality, as it governs decision making, inhibitions and impulse control, anything that affects it's development will affect criminal predispositions.

When we look at mass murderers/spree killers, whether terrorist or otherwise, there is an alarming incidence of drug use.

When we look at violent offenders in prisons, or young offenders institutions, there is an alarming incidence of drug use.

Are bad habits as teenagers giving people a lifetime of mental health issues and criminal tendencies?

[BigBallsMcgee]

Eugenics srs

We need to stop letting bad genes reproduce and slowly start lowering the rates overtime.

[Dave22reborn]

put all right wingers in straight jackets and throw away the keys... watch overall mental health improve in the country....overnight....


LMFAO!!!

Speaking of mentally ill......

[Tamorlane]

This issue has become so politicized now that people are afraid to admit that we still have a serious problem with mentally ill people in society. Even 60% of those diagnosed with mental illnesses don't receive any sort of treatment and majority of those that do receive treatment are still left to be in society without having to even be identified that they have a mental illness. So not only do we have undiagnosed people with mental illnesses, those who are diagnosed but not receiving treatment (roughly 10 million Americans) but we also have those receiving treatment but not required to be identified. We have a seriously flawed system. We have millions of Americans suffering from some form of mental illness but the system is designed so that these people never receive help, aren't required to receive help, or receive help but because of privacy we can never know who these people are in society and calling it out is looked at as shaming

America also has the most amount of guns per capita. About 120 guns per 100 persons, more than double the second place country.

Guns + Widespread Mental Illness = a problem

What to do about it?

-stop having doctors push prescriptions such as antidepressants onto people for kickbacks
-end the war on drugs, shift from punishment to rehabilitation, legalize MJ
-programs to help the poor

One of the worst mass murders in the US happened at a McDonalds in the 1980's:

On July 15, 1984, James Huberty commented to his wife, Etna, that he suspected he had a mental problem. Two days later, on the morning of July 17, he called a San Diego mental health clinic, requesting an appointment. Leaving his contact details with the receptionist, Huberty was assured the clinic would return his call within hours. According to his wife, he sat quietly beside the telephone for several hours, awaiting the return call, before abruptly walking out of the family home and riding to an unknown destination on his motorcycle. Unbeknownst to Huberty, the receptionist had misspelled his name as "Shouberty." His polite demeanor conveyed no sense of urgency to the operator, and he had elaborated in the phone call that he had never been hospitalized for mental health issues; therefore, the call had been logged as a "non-crisis" inquiry, to be handled within 48 hours.

Approximately one hour later, Huberty returned home in a contented mood. After eating dinner, Huberty, his wife, and their two daughters (aged 12 and 10) cycled to a nearby park. Later that evening, he and Etna watched a film together on their television.

The following morning—Wednesday, July 18—Huberty, his wife and children visited the San Diego Zoo. In the course of their walk through the zoo, Huberty told his wife of his belief that his life was effectively over. Referring to the mental health clinic's failure to return his phone call the previous day, he said, "Well, society had their chance."

[Weightaholic]

Pharmaceutical companies and corrupt doctors have been raking billions telling healthy people, including little kids, that they're sick and need their pills. Hit them in the same manner as big tobacco and have them pay for the damage they've created.

lol there's a reason big pharma donates so much money to both sides of the political divide. Good luck with that ever happening.

Red/blue is a myth, designed to distract you from the only colour they care about... green.

[Dave22reborn]

America also has the most amount of guns per capita. About 120 guns per 100 persons, more than double the second place country.

Guns + Widespread Mental Illness = a problem

What to do about it?

-stop having doctors push prescriptions such as antidepressants onto people for kickbacks
-end the war on drugs, shift from punishment to rehabilitation, legalize MJ
-programs to help the poor

One of the worst mass murders in the US happened at a McDonalds in the 1980's:

Copy/Paste/Repeat......