Christians, Can you show me why your God is the correct one?

**ColtsForTheWin** · 04-07-2009, 10:52 PM

I don't deny the existence of God/gods, but if I were to believe in one I'd like to choose the most logical one.

Why is your God the most logical? All of you Christians preach about how something can't come from nothing etc. etc. and that's where God exists, but why is that YOUR God? Didn't your God create the world 6000 years ago? Why is your God better than Allah, Zeus, Apollo, Buddha, etc.?

Can you disprove any other God? Can you disprove Buddha? There are just as many writings on Buddhism as there are on Christianity with far less contradictions, so can you disprove Buddha is the supreme one? Can you disprove Zeus? Allah? An infinite number of other supreme beings? It should be easy for most of you, considering you have proof of God and that you are all so well-versed in all religions that you know yours to be true.

**Dave P** · 04-07-2009, 10:54 PM

Perhaps God is elected democratically and until some other religion has the majority of followers then the Christian God is the only "true" God.

Its like a cosmic presidential election.

**ghengisconor** · 04-07-2009, 10:55 PM

gd it. not this **** again.

**dabbmw2002** · 04-07-2009, 11:05 PM

who cares, let people believe what they want.

**Paul Kreul** · 04-07-2009, 11:08 PM

the same questions over and over, Atheist, and AkR have and will post the exact same question in a week. Am I right on this?

**dabbmw2002** · 04-07-2009, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Paul Kreul

the same questions over and over, Atheist, and AkR have and will post the exact same question in a week. Am I right on this?

If AKR is unbanned he will

**Paul Kreul** · 04-07-2009, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by dabbmw2002

If AKR is unbanned he will

He's banned, he was trying to get me banned though?

**matcoon** · 04-07-2009, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Paul Kreul

the same questions over and over, Atheist, and AkR have and will post the exact same question in a week. Am I right on this?

Ever think we keep asking the same questions because we never get a good answer?

I'm sure someone will ask it again, and then you will avoid answering it again the cycle continues.

**ColtsForTheWin** · 04-07-2009, 11:18 PM

I'm searching for a God, so you should do your Christian duty and convert me.

**Paul Kreul** · 04-07-2009, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by matcoon

Ever think we keep asking the same questions because we never get a good answer?

I'm sure someone will ask it again, and then you will avoid answering it again the cycle continues.

If people really wanted answers they would go out and find them not just hope to find an answer on a body building forum. Don't get me wrong, I like to try and answer questions, but I don't rely on people's views for my answers. I found God by events happening in my life, not by losing an argument

**dabbmw2002** · 04-07-2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by matcoon

Ever think we keep asking the same questions because we never get a good answer?

I'm sure someone will ask it again, and then you will avoid answering it again the cycle continues.

Here is my answer, there is no "correct" God, all forms of worship are valid. I like Christianity because I'm familiar with it, however when I was in India I visited the Hindu temples and paid respects as well. I think it is wrong to say that one religion's god is the correct one, and if someone believes that, he isn't going to change his mind. So, let it be. However if you are obsessed with trying to get someone to admit what they believe is wrong, go ahead and keep making threads about it.

I disagree with Christians on this but I careless about trying to prove my point of view.

**SiZzLaX** · 04-07-2009, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by ColtsForTheWin

I'm searching for a God, so you should do your Christian duty and convert me.

I don't think it's my duty to "convert" anyone. All I can say is read the bible. See if you believe it, or believe in it. If you do awsome... try to live by it. If not then do your thing. Start with the new testament first... it's considered the new law. The old test is the old law but has really good stories.

**E-Dub187** · 04-07-2009, 11:24 PM

We believe he is the correct one based on Jesus Christ. We believe God is who he is because of our belief in Christ and that he lived and did what he did. If he did indeed walk this earth, which we believe to be true, then God would have to be the "Christian" God.

**Violator009** · 04-07-2009, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by ColtsForTheWin

I'm searching for a God, so you should do your Christian duty and convert me.

Christians dont convert anyone, all they do is spread the word, its God that do the converting...

**E-Dub187** · 04-07-2009, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Violator009

Christians dont convert anyone, all they do is spread the word, its God that do the converting...

This

**SiZzLaX** · 04-07-2009, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by dabbmw2002

Here is my answer, there is no "correct" God, all forms of worship are valid. I like Christianity because I'm familiar with it, however when I was in India I visited the Hindu temples and paid respects as well. I think it is wrong to say that one religion's god is the correct one, and if someone believes that, he isn't going to change his mind. So, let it be. However if you are obsessed with trying to get someone to admit what they believe is wrong, go ahead and keep making threads about it.

I disagree with Christians on this but I careless about trying to prove my point of view.

There is only 1 God. Saying that I feel there is a correct God. Explain to me what you mean by you like Christianity but pay respects in the Hindu temples?

**dabbmw2002** · 04-07-2009, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by SiZzLaX

There is only 1 God. Saying that I feel there is a correct God. Explain to me what you mean by you like Christianity but pay respects in the Hindu temples?

All religions are valid ways to reach God. I have no problem going into a mosque or Hindu temple. If you are going to bring up the different god's that exist in Hinduism, they don't actually represent different gods, rather aspects of God.

**matcoon** · 04-07-2009, 11:42 PM

To answer the question of why do people make these kind of threads over and over i would say this.

I think part of the reason it to try to get religous people to really think about there beliefs in ways in which they ahve not before. To make people really think about what it is they believe. Sometimes it works but most of the times these threads fail to do this.

You know why i think these threads fail to make people think about there beliefs in new ways? Becuase the answers are always the same. And its not just becuase its the same people the post here but ask Christians all over the place and you will get the same answer time and time again.

The answers you hear over and over are like catch phrases. May problem with these types of answers is they require no thinking, people already have the answer to the questions we ask before we even ask it.

The repeated answers from Christians are no different from any other popular thing that people have bought into. You see the same thing with politics as you do with Christians. Its very easy to answer questions when people have told you the answers ahead of time.

This is partly what they do in church, prepare you with answers to questions you might be asked. They don't teach multiple answers that you could say but instead tell you very specific things to say. And a lot of the time if you ask a religous person a question that they haven't heard and thought about before they will tell you they don't know and then go to ask fellow church members what the answer is instead of figuring out one for themselves.

**Paul Kreul** · 04-07-2009, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by matcoon

To answer the question of why do people make these kind of threads over and over i would say this.

I think part of the reason it to try to get religous people to really think about there beliefs in ways in which they ahve not before. To make people really think about what it is they believe. Sometimes it works but most of the times these threads fail to do this.

You know why i think these threads fail to make people think about there beliefs in new ways? Becuase the answers are always the same. And its not just becuase its the same people the post here but ask Christians all over the place and you will get the same answer time and time again.

The answers you hear over and over are like catch phrases. May problem with these types of answers is they require no thinking, people already have the answer to the questions we ask before we even ask it.

The repeated answers from Christians are no different from any other popular thing that people have bought into. You see the same thing with politics as you do with Christians. Its very easy to answer questions when people have told you the answers ahead of time.

This is partly what they do in church, prepare you with answers to questions you might be asked. They don't teach multiple answers that you could say but instead tell you very specific things to say. And a lot of the time if you ask a religous person a question that they haven't heard and thought about before they will tell you they don't know and then go to ask fellow church members what the answer is instead of figuring out one for themselves.

But the problem is that the argument is seldom won in a debate. Most christians believe in God because they had a personal experience in which He acted in their lives. I myself did not believe in God until such events happened. It's not that atheists are wining the argument. It's that arguments have no ground to stand on when one has had God act in their very own lives. That is why the debates are never settled.

**matcoon** · 04-08-2009, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Paul Kreul

But the problem is that the argument is seldom won in a debate. Most christians believe in God because they had a personal experience in which He acted in their lives. I myself did not believe in God until such events happened. It's not that atheists are wining the argument. It's that arguments have no ground to stand on when one has had God act in their very own lives. That is why the debates are never settled.

No like i said it isn't settle because we do not recieve good answers, the answer you just gave me was not a good answer imo.

I don't know if you just don't get it or what but we are saying that a personal experience is not a good reason to believe in God. What if i had a personal experience with fairies, does that make them real? no it doesn't

Personal experience is a bad reason to believe in God whether or not you think so. Feelings and emotions are not something we have very good control of and easly change as well as be influenced.

Personal experience does not make something real is my point. People hallucinate sometimes if they take drugs or have some mental problems. They may actually see or hear things but that doesn't make them real in any way does it?

**Paul Kreul** · 04-08-2009, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by matcoon

No like i said it isn't settle because we do not recieve good answers, the answer you just gave me was not a good answer imo.

I don't know if you just don't get it or what but we are saying that a personal experience is not a good reason to believe in God. What if i had a personal experience with fairies, does that make them real? no it doesn't

Personal experience is a bad reason to believe in God whether or not you think so. Feelings and emotions are not something we have very good control of and easly change as well as be influenced.

Personal experience does not make something real is my point. People hallucinate sometimes if they take drugs or have some mental problems. They may actually see or hear things but that doesn't make them real in any way does it?

okay

**matcoon** · 04-08-2009, 12:13 AM

Also Paul i think maybe part of the problem if you are trying to have a debate when you should be having a discussion. You don't always have to try to counter what was said, try sitting back and taking in things from time to time and try to think about what implications statments made by people have on your beliefs.

It doesn't have to be about who is right and who is wrong, most of the time there problem isn't a right or wrong but just point of view people have. I don't think people do a good job of frist listening what people have to say, then take time to think about what was said, and then posting.

A lot of the time we already know how you are going to answer our questions before we even ask it. When this happens it just shows us that you didn't take time to think about what the arguments really mean.

**matcoon** · 04-08-2009, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Paul Kreul

okay

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Try thinking for yourself more often.

**Paul Kreul** · 04-08-2009, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by matcoon

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Try thinking for yourself more often.

Matt one cannot convince me out of my belief because of things that have happened in my life that God has had a hand in. This I am certain of. Many christians feel the same. This is the point I was trying to make.

**Tapitytaptap** · 04-08-2009, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by ColtsForTheWin

I don't deny the existence of God/gods, but if I were to believe in one I'd like to choose the most logical one.

Why is your God the most logical? All of you Christians preach about how something can't come from nothing etc. etc. and that's where God exists, but why is that YOUR God? Didn't your God create the world 6000 years ago? Why is your God better than Allah, Zeus, Apollo, Buddha, etc.?

Can you disprove any other God? Can you disprove Buddha? There are just as many writings on Buddhism as there are on Christianity with far less contradictions, so can you disprove Buddha is the supreme one? Can you disprove Zeus? Allah? An infinite number of other supreme beings? It should be easy for most of you, considering you have proof of God and that you are all so well-versed in all religions that you know yours to be true.

...you're missing the point of faith if u need proof. old testa ment has a story about this

**matcoon** · 04-08-2009, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Paul Kreul

Matt one cannot convince me out of my belief because of things that have happened in my life that God has had a hand in. This I am certain of. Many christians feel the same. This is the point I was trying to make.

Which again is the problem. What has happened in your life, whatever your personal experiences may be, they are not a good reason to have a belief in God.

If you think personal experiences are a good reason to believe in God then you must explain why you think that.

**GnomusMaximus** · 04-08-2009, 06:06 AM

Buddah was not a God, never said he was. He was a man that in this Universe achieved a state of Nirvana (sp). My understanding is that simply means a state free from the cycle of life and the suffering involved with continued death and rebirth. Allah IS the same God, the God of Abraham. Muslims believe this. Makes me kind of wonder what all the fuss is about sometimes.

Also, not all Christians believe that it is "Jesus or the highway". Many of us believe in something called Universal Salvation. It's the concept that Jesus died for the sins of all mankind. There is a lot of bickering back and forth amongst us about this but in the end we Christians believe the same basics.

**jordansrt** · 04-08-2009, 06:14 AM

What is universal salvation??? im a christian and i know that it is jesus or the highway. How can u call urself a christian and believe different jesus chirst hence the name christian. also jesus said no one comes to the father but through him so that kinda looks like a one way road to me

**pikeamus** · 04-08-2009, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by E-Dub187

We believe he is the correct one based on Jesus Christ. We believe God is who he is because of our belief in Christ and that he lived and did what he did. If he did indeed walk this earth, which we believe to be true, then God would have to be the "Christian" God.

So you are a christian because you are a christian? Very helpful.

Originally Posted by Violator009

Christians dont convert anyone, all they do is spread the word, its God that do the converting...

Lulz. I'm sure this is true. You know, except for the various times in history when the options have been convert or die. Oh and, you know, the various tactics used by some evangelical groups such as 'love bombing'.

Originally Posted by dabbmw2002

All religions are valid ways to reach God. I have no problem going into a mosque or Hindu temple. If you are going to bring up the different god's that exist in Hinduism, they don't actually represent different gods, rather aspects of God.

If they are all talking about the same god then how is it that so many aspects of the major religions are contradictory? Also, doesn't this then suggest that at least the bible and the koran are wrong in that both claim that other religions will not lead you to god (I haven't read jewish scripture or hindu vedas but I suspect this probably applies to them as well)? If you are correct then how is it that the majority of believers have not managed to cotton onto this fact in all this time?

Originally Posted by Paul Kreul

But the problem is that the argument is seldom won in a debate. Most christians believe in God because they had a personal experience in which He acted in their lives. I myself did not believe in God until such events happened. It's not that atheists are wining the argument. It's that arguments have no ground to stand on when one has had God act in their very own lives. That is why the debates are never settled.

And I suppose it's just a coincidence that the vast majority of personal experiences of god are sent from the god of whatever religion is most prevelent where you live? Doesn't it seem more likely to you that although 'spiritual' (damn that is a pesky word) experiences are actually fairly common (and for that matter can be triggered in some fairly predictable ways) it doesn't really suggest anything about any divine presence? That any inference of that kind is just an individual applying their social conditioning on the experience?

Originally Posted by tpapadopoulo

...you're missing the point of faith if u need proof. old testa ment has a story about this

Why is it that people seem willing to swallow that believeing in something without evidence is somehow a positive thing? In every other aspect of life people recognise that this trait makes you a gullible fool but for religion it is something to be admired.