ill keep it short and simple. I'm 6 weeks, 4 days out, my refeed is in 4 days (i'm moving out of my keto diet back into the moderate carb diet my coach came up with). I'm 8% bodyfat, my coach says i'm ahead of the game, but i want to come in shredded like CHEDDAR CHEESE!
my leptin levels ought to be dangerously low after 12 weeks of dieting, at 8% bodyfat, after coming off of ketosis.... so the question is, pizza, yes or no? i want to have digiorno's rising crust four cheese.... no i NEED it lol jk sorry i'm hyper, i just had my first carb source in a while. so what's your guys' opinions?
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02-19-2013, 06:14 PM #1
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pizza on refeed WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK
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02-19-2013, 06:25 PM #2
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Personally, I tend to go lower fat on high carb refeed days as fats don't affect leptin levels, but that's just me. What's your coach's take on the pizza refeed?
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02-19-2013, 06:42 PM #3
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he has a pretty oldschool take on contest prep, which i like, but he doesn't talk too much about the individual food sources. it's not a bad thing, just leaves a bit of guessing to me, because his philosophy is that it doesn't really matter too much.
on refeed days, cheat days as he calls them, he wants me bumping up to around 270g carbs as opposed to my usual 160, and dropping protein just a little bit.
so when you say low fat, do you mean lower than your usual fat intake? mine's around 30g, dropping it much lower would make an actual refeed pretty difficult.My website:
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02-19-2013, 06:56 PM #4
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Well my fat is usually around 25% of my caloric intake on my lower calorie days and I drop it to around 15% on my high carb refeed days. With you only taking in 30 grams I'd say there's no need to drop it below that, but then again I'd get your coaches intake on it.
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The only way you should do a pizza at this point is if you make it yourself and track all the ingredients.
Standard Pizza has a very high amount of fat. Refeeds should be controlled and tracked. It is very easy to store fat quickly after a long diet.Contest Prep Coach
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Out of curiosity, your fat intake looks way too low--what are your macros right now? At 160 lbs, that's less than a 1/4 gram per lb of bw. What has your coach said? Are your calories really really low right now?
Also note I'm not refering to your refeed--those should generally be low fat and high carb."The action required to sustain human life is primarily intellectual: everything man needs has to be discovered by his mind and produced by his effort." -Ayn Rand
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Unfortunately. I have a weakness for Pizza Hut. When I went through prep I would eat a pizza once a week until I got to 12 weeks out, then shut it down. Of course, this was dependent upon me hitting my weight loss goals from week to week which I had done. Needless to say I don't advocate this strategy and don't plan on doing it again
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02-20-2013, 10:28 AM #14
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Definite yes for the Pizza! Not only dont I think it will hurt your progress, it might even help. I have a refeed day once per week and dont limit myself at all. The point of the refeed is to purposely come out of ketosis and spike your insulin levels which will promote muscle growth (or at least help prevent muscle loss) along with keeping your metoblism from slowing and refilling glyocogen levels. The added water weight gained is a plus towards pushing heavier weight the next day and is gone again within a day or two. Im obsessive about bodyfat testing (dexa and bodypod methods) and can say this way of eating has definitely had better results for me then straight keto.
With that said if you would like a healthy pizza on your cheat day or even during the week take a look at P28 at highproteinbread.com. They make bread, bagels and flat bread made out of whey protein. The flat bread is great for making a healthy home made pizza.
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it's a bit low, but not by much.... it's 15% of my calories. my coach steered away from giving me exact macronutrient ratios, because this is my first contest and he doesn't really know how my body will react to excessive carbs/protein/fat. it's also worth noting he's a family friend who happens to be a former bodybuilder and currently a prep coach, so it's basically just a family favor kind of thing. i don't expect to stay in contact with him 3 times a day, exchanging pictures, constant phone calls, one on one training sessions, etc. we talk like once a week by e-mail and every now and then we have lengthy phone calls and i may send posing pictures from time to time.
he DID on the other hand give me my calorie intake, which is 1824.My website:
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