Can creatinionism be taught in some schools?

[fballer12]

I just got into an argument with my mom, who is a principal at a school in massachusetts...she says that the theory of creationism is taught alongside the theory of evolution and is part of the massachusetts state corriculum..she said as long as its not taught by itself or as a fact instead of theory, that it is mandatory

I was under the impression that evolution was the only thing taught in schools except for in kansas

[jf1]

creationism should only be taught as mythology.

[revkins]

They teach that garbage in Massachusetts?

Strong WTF.

[fballer12]

They teach that garbage in Massachusetts?

Strong WTF.

I live in massachusetts, just went through the school system, and still had no idea it was taught..it definitly wasn't taught in my town, but my mom teaches in another

I mean this is probably the most non religious state in the whole country

[Boffman]

Creationism isn't science. Why should it be in a SCIENCE classroom?

/thread

[IceDragon]

I just got into an argument with my mom, who is a principal at a school in massachusetts...she says that the theory of creationism is taught alongside the theory of evolution and is part of the massachusetts state corriculum..she said as long as its not taught by itself or as a fact instead of theory, that it is mandatory

I was under the impression that evolution was the only thing taught in schools except for in kansas

Creationism isn't a true scientific theory, it's a pile of bull****.

They ever try teaching that crap here there'll be bloody uproar - one of the reasons I'm a parent governor at my kid's school.

[fballer12]

Creationism isn't science. Why should it be in a SCIENCE classroom?

/thread

no not "thread"/

thats not the discussion...im as strong an atheist as anyone on this board...i believe creationism is nothing more than a fairytale..but thats nort the point of this thread..i was just asking if anyone knew or had proof that this was true or not...im hoping that my momds just an idiot and its just her school is doing something illegal by teaching it, or if its actually true

[IceDragon]

lol it seems like people are attacking me as if i believe in creationism or something

Attacking? I haven't seen a single "attack" on here...more a case of people answering about creationism in general.

[fballer12]

can anyone find proof that massachusetts schools aren't allowed to so that i can show my mom and get it out of the school

[grapemaster]

Creationism belongs more closely tied to metaphysics, theology than it does with biological sciences...
I see nothing wrong with them teaching religions of the world and including creationism, but don't go teaching it as an alternative to evolution or comparing it to an actual science. This should also be an elective, like Home Economics, not a graduation requirement...like Algebra/Biology
Don't they already have private schools if their parents want them to take these classes as part of their curriculum... They are usually quality schools too academically and athletically even if they are offering Bible related courses...
I was pretty sure the only states doing this were Kentucky or Kansas... or both, something along those lines. Highly skeptical of Mass doing this...

[MadeNtexas]

Creationism has its place in academics in my opinion. We are a society with mainly Christian beliefs. I know I wouldn't want my child learning about evolution without the teacher at least saying that there is the possibility that life was designed by a higher power. The argument does not even have to be Christian.

On a personal note, now that I am in a Doctoral Physical Therapy program, I have learned things in my advanced anatomy and pathology courses that have strengthened my belief that we were designed by God. Academics and religion can live side by side. Condemnation of one over the other is a path that goes no where.

[fballer12]

ok no more opininions on wether or not you believe it should be taught in schools...the point of this thread was if anyone had proof one way or the other about whether it is allowed to be taught in schools, especially in massachusetts

[sfvalley]

Creationism has its place in academics in my opinion. We are a society with mainly Christian beliefs. I know I wouldn't want my child learning about evolution without the teacher at least saying that there is the possibility that life was designed by a higher power. The argument does not even have to be Christian.

On a personal note, now that I am in a Doctoral Physical Therapy program, I have learned things in my advanced anatomy and pathology courses that have strengthened my belief that we were designed by God. Academics and religion can live side by side. Condemnation of one over the other is a path that goes no where.

No. Just no. Religion has no place in an academic/scientific setting. You want to learn about your sky daddy do it on sunday.

[LunicaAshes]

I just got into an argument with my mom, who is a principal at a school in massachusetts...she says that the theory of creationism is taught alongside the theory of evolution and is part of the massachusetts state corriculum..she said as long as its not taught by itself or as a fact instead of theory, that it is mandatory

I was under the impression that evolution was the only thing taught in schools except for in kansas

If it's being taught as a theory, that school is turning out some SADLY miseducated students who will never know what scientific theory even is (like much of the R/P.)

[Slu]

good!

[MadeNtexas]

No. Just no. Religion has no place in an academic/scientific setting. You want to learn about your sky daddy do it on sunday.

Lol, thanks for that engaging argument... You have a lot to learn about life my friend.

[rows_b4_hos]

Lol, thanks for that engaging argument... You have a lot to learn about life my friend.

There is nothing for him to argue

[MadeNtexas]

There is nothing for him to argue

Lol, its like those little kids that use the word "because" as an answer. Saying "No. Just no." is not a rebuttal, it's dismissing my views without giving them credence.

[rows_b4_hos]

Lol, its like those little kids that use the word "because" as an answer. Saying "No. Just no." is not a rebuttal, it's dismissing my views without giving them credence.

Can you agree, that at least in a high school setting, there is no place for religion in any way shape or form. If not explain why, and ill try my best to debate with you.

[curtis999]

. I know I wouldn't want my child learning about evolution without the teacher at least saying that there is the possibility that life was designed by a higher power. .

Teaching evolution and the possibility of SOMETHING else is okay, scientific even.



Teaching evolution and creation, as one possible an alternative, is foolish.

Creation and/or IT is far from a viable alternative. They aren't even close.

You don't draw comparisons/contrasts between a theory and the ridiculous (and unsupported) as a means of teaching!

[MadeNtexas]

Can you agree, that at least in a high school setting, there is no place for religion in any way shape or form. If not explain why, and ill try my best to debate with you.

I will concede that in a public school system, a specific religious belief should not be pressed upon students in the curriculum. However, that is not the idea behind creationism in my opinion. I believe that if a child is confused or conflicted because of their private religious views, I would expect the teacher to do the right thing and inform him/her about creationism. That's what being a "teacher" means to me. However, many kids would not voice these conflicting ideas. I know I wouldn't for fear of being chastised. That leaves a child with unanswered questions. Implementing at least a brief understanding of what Creationism stands for, "it should not be Christian views only!", could be a way to help these individuals. My argument is that creationism should not be condemned or viewed as something hurtful. To use derogatory terms like, "go learn about your skydaddy on Sundays" does not help to find a happy medium between academics and religion.

[Duckenheimer]

Nothing wrong with creationism being taught - outside the science room.

[JAGERBOY]

lol @ no one answering the op's question

[Duckenheimer]

lol @ no one answering the op's question

Lulz I noticed but I dunno the answer. I just wanted to chip in to feel loved

[guest89]

If it's being taught as a theory, that school is turning out some SADLY miseducated students who will never know what scientific theory even is (like much of the R/P.)

Not really... I am a Criminal Justice major and we have to learn some pretty ridiculous theories. (Some religious, some cultural, some neither) Whether a theory is right or wrong, whether it was believed in the mainstream one hundred years ago or a thousand years ago, it can still be taught so one can understand it.


ESPECIALLY if anyone alive today still believes in that 'theory'. How can you understand, tolerate, or coexist with someone when you know nothing about their beliefs and opinions?


A lot of atheists complain that Christians lack tolerance, but I see more Atheists that refuse to tolerate religious people then religious people refusing to tolerate people of other beliefs.


I think creationism should be taught in schools. It doesn't have to be taught under science, it doesn't have to be mandatory, but it still can and should be taught for those who wish to be educated. The majority of religions believe in creationism, which is millions of people. Why shouldn't people understand the fundamentals of a widespread belief?

[hank-williams]

I just got into an argument with my mom, who is a principal at a school in massachusetts...she says that the theory of creationism is taught alongside the theory of evolution and is part of the massachusetts state corriculum..she said as long as its not taught by itself or as a fact instead of theory, that it is mandatory

I was under the impression that evolution was the only thing taught in schools except for in kansas

Around where i live it is not taught that way. I think it should be taught that way, creation is more crediable than The Big Bang. Hubble and Einstein seem to think so as well and I would say they have a big impact on science, or should.

[hank-williams]

Creationism isn't science. Why should it be in a SCIENCE classroom?

/thread

I think both should be taught, that way the student can make the decision themselves instead of having The Big Bang taught to them as the only way and even worse as a fact, and yet it is only a theory. Go figure.

[Boffman]

I will concede that in a public school system, a specific religious belief should not be pressed upon students in the curriculum. However, that is not the idea behind creationism in my opinion. I believe that if a child is confused or conflicted because of their private religious views, I would expect the teacher to do the right thing and inform him/her about creationism. That's what being a "teacher" means to me. However, many kids would not voice these conflicting ideas. I know I wouldn't for fear of being chastised. That leaves a child with unanswered questions. Implementing at least a brief understanding of what Creationism stands for, "it should not be Christian views only!", could be a way to help these individuals. My argument is that creationism should not be condemned or viewed as something hurtful. To use derogatory terms like, "go learn about your skydaddy on Sundays" does not help to find a happy medium between academics and religion.

In a science classroom the children should be taught whatever theory that has a consensus in Science. It's really that simple. It isn't: Religion/Science class.

[MadeNtexas]

lol @ no one answering the op's question

I didn't see a question mark in his post. I assumed it was to initiate conversation on the subject. My bad if that was not his intent.

[hank-williams]

Originally Posted by fballer12
lol it seems like people are attacking me as if i believe in creationism or something



Dude, get use to it that is what they do in this forum. They lurk and wait and boom, they pounce. They will also deny that they do it. Just saying.