Bernie Sanders wants the USA to apologize for slavery

[JUSA]

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sanders-we...logize-slavery

Presidential hopeful Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) has made the proclamation that “as a nation, we have got to apologize for slavery.”

During an interview with Joe Madison on Sirius XM’s “The Black Eagle,” Madison asked Sanders, “If elected President of the United States, would you apologize for slavery?”

Sanders replied, “You know, obviously, nobody in this generation is involved in slavery. But as a nation, slavery is one of the abominations that our country has experienced. There is no excuse. What can we say about it? It was horrific, it killed millions of people who never made it even across the ocean, and it destroyed just the lives of so many people.”

“So as a nation – and I don’t think as a president, but as a nation – we have got to apologize for slavery, of course,” he continued.

Madison then pressured Sanders to respond directly to whether he would apologize for slavery as president by asking, “So is that a yes or a no?”

Sanders said, “Well, it’s a… I mean… I’m not exactly sure what it means. As a nation, we have got to apologize for slavery, and of course, the president is the leader of the nation.”

Sanders’ statements on slavery come after a Fox News poll revealed the candidate is not popular among black Democrats. Only 5 percent of black Democrats stated they would like to see Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee, compared to 68 percent for Hillary Clinton.

So he admits nobody in this generation is involved in slavery. I agree wholeheartedly slavery was an abomination... but why, again, are we apologizing for it? Condemn it, yeah, but how can anyone apologize for something they had no part of, again? And, when he says "we" what does he mean? Does that include the population that is Hispanic or Black? Are modern black Americans supposed to apologize as well? And who are we apologizing too? What the ****?

Even he's not sure what it means. Oh well, maybe it'll get some votes from POC for the old guy, beats Hillary. Although knowing her, if her numbers start dropping with black people, she'll Dolezal herself out and start speaking 70's jivetalk when addressing black crowds, which is something I would like to see.

[mynameisuntz]

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sanders-we...logize-slavery

So he admits nobody in this generation is involved in slavery. I agree wholeheartedly slavery was an abomination... but why, again, are we apologizing for it? Condemn it, yeah, but how can anyone apologize for something they had no part of, again? And, when he says "we" what does he mean? Does that include the population that is Hispanic or Black? Are modern black Americans supposed to apologize as well? And who are we apologizing too? What the ****?

Even he's not sure what it means. Oh well, maybe it'll get some votes from POC for the old guy, beats Hillary. Although knowing her, if her numbers start dropping with black people, she'll Dolezal herself out and start speaking 70's jivetalk when addressing black crowds, which is something I would like to see.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...ations/361631/

Worth the read.

[NumeroOnce]

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...ations/361631/

Worth the read.

"The Case for Reparations..." in before conservative ****storm lol

I support reparations not because they would help fix the issues within the communities, but I think it would help fix the relationship between black America and mainstream America. I also don't know if America needs to "apologize," but there needs to be some type of event where America comes together and confronts and discusses the past. The government needs to formally acknowledge slavery and institutional racism as setting back the black community in some way, but I don't know what type of event that should be though.

[illriginalized]

LOL


Who exactly is supposed to apologize?

Bernie Sanders need to be shipped off to Cuba.

"The Case for Reparations..." in before conservative ****storm lol

I support reparations not because they would help fix the issues within the communities, but I think it would help fix the relationship between black America and mainstream America. I also don't know if America needs to "apologize," but there needs to be some type of event where America comes together and confronts and discusses the past. The government needs to formally acknowledge slavery and institutional racism as setting back the black community in some way, but I don't know what type of event that should be though.

African History month?
Reparations?
Free college education?

The black communities set themselves back.

Why is it some of the most dirt poor people from around the world are able to come to this country and make it.. yet not a single black community, not a cot damn neighborhood of blacks exist where they're wealthy.

Yet Jews do, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Hispanics (never really ethnic based, at least not in South Florida), Russians, Arabs, Persians, list goes on and on.. yet not a single rich/wealthy black neighborhood exists.

Tell me, where is the White supremacy and White man made racist laws that exist today that holds the black man down. Where is it?

No where.. they need to get their act together and stop portraying the pieces of degenerate filth that exists on television and radio stations. They need to stop glamorizing cars, gold, and sex, and start focusing on education, and job skills.


INB4 a liberal calls me racist for pointing out the fact.


By the way, I respect Africans straight out of Africa much more than Black Americans.

[Kiknskreem]

I support reparations not because they would help fix the issues within the communities, but I think it would help fix the relationship between black America and mainstream America.

Lol.

[goody1]

So what should we do? Give them some ****ty land and let them open up casinos?
That was pretty much the deal we struck with the Native Americans. Does Africa plan on contributing half of the reparations for rounding up and selling us the slaves?
Obviously I'm being a little fecetious but honestly who exactly is suppose to do the apologizing?

[mynameisuntz]

"The Case for Reparations..." in before conservative ****storm lol

I support reparations not because they would help fix the issues within the communities, but I think it would help fix the relationship between black America and mainstream America. I also don't know if America needs to "apologize," but there needs to be some type of event where America comes together and confronts and discusses the past. The government needs to formally acknowledge slavery and institutional racism as setting back the black community in some way, but I don't know what type of event that should be though.

It's why I love the title. The article isn't even necessarily saying "reparations must happen!" It's really more saying "we, both our country and our government, need to acknowledge a clear historical and systematic bias and oppression against African-Americans throughout history, which existed long after slavery ended."

There's an entire history here. The moment slavery ended, oppression did not. But we have yet to discuss this is any formal way. It's just swept under the rug, and so no one cares to address the systemic issues that plague Black American communities.

[mydawgs]

"The Case for Reparations..." in before conservative ****storm lol

I support reparations not because they would help fix the issues within the communities, but I think it would help fix the relationship between black America and mainstream America. I also don't know if America needs to "apologize," but there needs to be some type of event where America comes together and confronts and discusses the past. The government needs to formally acknowledge slavery and institutional racism as setting back the black community in some way, but I don't know what type of event that should be though.

Then the AAS better stand in line behind the Native Americans.....right?

Genocide before slavery....as well as apologies

[NumeroOnce]

No where.. they need to get their act together and stop portraying the pieces of degenerate filth that exists on television and radio stations. They need to stop glamorizing cars, gold, and sex, and start focusing on education, and job skills.


INB4 a liberal calls me racist for pointing out the fact.


By the way, I respect Africans straight out of Africa much more than Black Americans.

You're racist because you assume that any black person that has suffered setbacks because of their race automatically glamorizes cars, gold, and sex and don't focus on education and job skills. Generalizing and racism go hand in hand.

Then the AAS better stand in line behind the Native Americans.....right?

Genocide before slavery....as well as apologies

I'm in support of it... let's get a movement going! I agree that Native American genocide was way worse, but the real way to correct that genocide would be to remove white people from America, and I don't think that's going to happen.

But imo the reason nobody does anything for Native Americans is because they have virtually no voice while African Americans do.

[mydawgs]

You're racist because you assume that any black person that has suffered setbacks Generalizing and racism go hand in hand.

Just like you know what is in the minds of others because your thoughts are so demented.

You have nerve calling anyone else a racist.

Totally agree with the bold, which is what you do EVERY time you talk about the Confederate.

[JUSA]

African History month?
Reparations?
Free college education?

The black communities set themselves back.

I strongly disagree.

I would argue that the black community was well on it's way to assimilating like every other group in the 70s. It would have taken time and it would have been rocky but they would eventually have been integrated. Maybe even by today. Instead, LBJ enacted his "Great Society" which was specifically designed to hold blacks back (and, you know - keep them voting Democrat, in his words for the next 200 years). Blacks are the biggest recipient of all these handouts and entitlements which are sold as evening the playing field or helping them, but in reality, at least in my opinion, it's holding them back.

In my line of work, I see plenty of black people with no ambition or drive, who live solely off the government, who bring children into this world who will do the same. Generations of people ruined by this system who think it's how things are supposed to work. I hate it, personally. As I said, I see and talk to these people and they deserve a lot better than this, they're not bad people, they not incapable of working hard and achieving so much more. But they get sold on this idea off living off the government, not realizing they could do so much better without it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...ations/361631/

Worth the read.

I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but I promise you - if reparations ever were implemented, it would destroy black culture and send them into a completely lazy, depraved and meaningless/pointless downward cycle. Not because POC are inferior in any way, but because that is what would happen to any community of any race of people given everything with no drive or motivation to excel.

Meanwhile, what are all these programs like AA or the ones which give way more to POC than other groups, if not some form of reparations?

[Dave22reborn]

LOL


Who exactly is supposed to apologize?

Bernie Sanders need to be shipped off to Cuba.




African History month?
Reparations?
Free college education?

The black communities set themselves back.

Why is it some of the most dirt poor people from around the world are able to come to this country and make it.. yet not a single black community, not a cot damn neighborhood of blacks exist where they're wealthy.

Yet Jews do, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Hispanics (never really ethnic based, at least not in South Florida), Russians, Arabs, Persians, list goes on and on.. yet not a single rich/wealthy black neighborhood exists.

Tell me, where is the White supremacy and White man made racist laws that exist today that holds the black man down. Where is it?

No where.. they need to get their act together and stop portraying the pieces of degenerate filth that exists on television and radio stations. They need to stop glamorizing cars, gold, and sex, and start focusing on education, and job skills.


INB4 a liberal calls me racist for pointing out the fact.


By the way, I respect Africans straight out of Africa much more than Black Americans.

Holy ****, I agree with you 100%.....kind of scared.

[mynameisuntz]

I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but I promise you - if reparations ever were implemented, it would destroy black culture and send them into a completely lazy, depraved and meaningless/pointless downward cycle. Not because POC are inferior in any way, but because that is what would happen to any community of any race of people given everything with no drive or motivation to excel.

That's not what I or the article are arguing for, though.

Meanwhile, what are all these programs like AA or the ones which give way more to POC than other groups, if not some form of reparations?

It might be one form, but it's scratching the surface and poorly implemented. The fact that Black Americans tend to be less financially successful, less educated, living in ghettos and low SES areas, etc. did not happen by accident. That's really what the article delineates, and that the FIRST step towards anything is just to have an honest discussion about this in a more formal way.

Look at illriginalized's post. There's your problem.

[GolfPants]

I strongly disagree.

I would argue that the black community was well on it's way to assimilating like every other group in the 70s. It would have taken time and it would have been rocky but they would eventually have been integrated. Maybe even by today. Instead, LBJ enacted his "Great Society" which was specifically designed to hold blacks back (and, you know - keep them voting Democrat, in his words for the next 200 years). Blacks are the biggest recipient of all these handouts and entitlements which are sold as evening the playing field or helping them, but in reality, at least in my opinion, it's holding them back.

This.

“The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do. And that is to destroy the black family.” ~ Walter Williams

[repsDTGdaily]

numberonce potatoing again i see. I agree with JUSA in this here thrad

[Dave22reborn]

"The Case for Reparations..." in before conservative ****storm lol

I support reparations not because they would help fix the issues within the communities, but I think it would help fix the relationship between black America and mainstream America. I also don't know if America needs to "apologize," but there needs to be some type of event where America comes together and confronts and discusses the past. The government needs to formally acknowledge slavery and institutional racism as setting back the black community in some way, but I don't know what type of event that should be though.

Give them money they didn't earn, that'll fix everything...

[repsDTGdaily]

That's not what I or the article are arguing for, though.



It might be one form, but it's scratching the surface and poorly implemented. The fact that Black Americans tend to be less financially successful, less educated, living in ghettos and low SES areas, etc. did not happen by accident. That's really what the article delineates, and that the FIRST step towards anything is just to have an honest discussion about this in a more formal way.

Look at illriginalized's post. There's your problem.

reparations how then? I don't see how ghetto communities can thrive, even if money was handed to them, and education was the best in the world in their school systems, if the kids show no initiatives. We can't keep throwing money at things and thinking it will work.

[nutsy54]

So.... People who never owned slaves are supposed to apologize to people who never were slaves?

And this will accomplish what? (Other than Liberals once again feeling good about nothing substantive).

[Dave22reborn]

numberonce potatoing again i see. I agree with JUSA in this here thrad

Where would this money even come from?

[MinisterOfLust]

Finally! Apologize now!

[mydawgs]

Where would this money even come from?

Hillary said she would write a check....................

[JUSA]

That's not what I or the article are arguing for, though.

It might be one form, but it's scratching the surface and poorly implemented. The fact that Black Americans tend to be less financially successful, less educated, living in ghettos and low SES areas, etc. did not happen by accident. That's really what the article delineates, and that the FIRST step towards anything is just to have an honest discussion about this in a more formal way.

Look at illriginalized's post. There's your problem.

Ok, to be fair - as you have guessed, I didn't read the article beyond the title.

I agree blacks living the way they are was no accident, I just think it was as per designed by that racist LBJ (who said as much allegedly behind closed doors). My solution now wouldn't be to do more and more of what is causing the problem (all the "help" our government gives them), but to scale it back. Make the playing field even. Force all blacks to work like the rest of us, without all the crutches and liberal excuses and when that happens I am confident that as a whole the will rise to the occasion, they will succeed and they will improve their lot (overall).

I only say this because that is the history of our nation. Groups coming here for a better life, starting with nothing, banding together, working hard and eventually integrating into society. It worked for the Germans, the Italians, the Irish, the Chinese, Vietnamese and almost every single other community of people who has come here. Get government out of the way and let people sink or swim.

[ODBM]

[Ikeman83]

America should apologize for slavery when Africa apologizes for selling the slaves to Europeans.

[Dave22reborn]

Hillary said she would write a check....................

Fine, you know what, give them each a million dollars, and cancel the free school lunches, free books, section 8 housing, welfare, link card, food stamps, financial aid, affirmative action, etc, and when they blow through their money in a year, **** em, they're on their own.

[mynameisuntz]

reparations how then? I don't see how ghetto communities can thrive, even if money was handed to them, and education was the best in the world in their school systems, if the kids show no initiatives. We can't keep throwing money at things and thinking it will work.

More opportunities to employment, access to health/educational services, job training, greater law integration into the communities, etc. would be some amazing options. There's some weird availability bias-driven myth that people in ghettos wouldn't work if the opportunity for growth were present. That's nonsense. There have been start-up programs that suggest otherwise.

Ok, to be fair - as you have guessed, I didn't read the article beyond the title.

I agree blacks living the way they are was no accident, I just think it was as per designed by that racist LBJ (who said as much allegedly behind closed doors). My solution now wouldn't be to do more and more of what is causing the problem (all the "help" our government gives them), but to scale it back. Make the playing field even. Force all blacks to work like the rest of us, without all the crutches and liberal excuses and when that happens I am confident that as a whole the will rise to the occasion, they will succeed and they will improve their lot (overall).

I only say this because that is the history of our nation. Groups coming here for a better life, starting with nothing, banding together, working hard and eventually integrating into society. It worked for the Germans, the Italians, the Irish, the Chinese, Vietnamese and almost every single other community of people who has come here. Get government out of the way and let people sink or swim.

Except the history of all those groups you mention are incredibly different from that of Africans. If you get government out of the way, then what? Once you remove social welfare, how will Black Americans have greater access to jobs, or advanced education, etc.?

[blckndyllw]

My problem is how conservatives like to downplay it but it's not as bad as the KKK/Jim Crow era which was even more recent that they ALWAYS ignore, most of the bullchit they cry about involving libs/blacks stems directly from the actions and policies of their side during Jim Crow era (which stems from slavery) black Americans have only been "free" for 60 something years

new textbooks in Texas don't even mention it

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...social-studies

[mydawgs]

America should apologize for slavery when Africa apologizes for selling the slaves to Europeans.

Agreed!

[repsDTGdaily]

My problem is how conservatives like to downplay it but it's not as bad as the KKK/Jim Crow era which was even more recent that they ALWAYS ignore, most of the bullchit they cry about involving libs/blacks stems directly from the actions and policies of their side during Jim Crow era (which stems from slavery) black Americans have only been "free" for 60 something years

new textbooks in Texas don't even mention it

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...social-studies

oh...cool. so time will fix it.

[repsDTGdaily]

More opportunities to employment, access to health/educational services, job training, greater law integration into the communities, etc. would be some amazing options. There's some weird availability bias-driven myth that people in ghettos wouldn't work if the opportunity for growth were present. That's nonsense. There have been start-up programs that suggest otherwise.



Except the history of all those groups you mention are incredibly different from that of Africans. If you get government out of the way, then what? Once you remove social welfare, how will Black Americans have greater access to jobs, or advanced education, etc.?

opportunities to employment?