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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    In some cases, but I’d say the majority cost something. It may sound like peanuts to some people, but to others even $10 or $15 can be tough to part with. In my state a state ID can cost $22-$37.
    This we can agree upon, state issued IDs should be free. Not just for voting, but for ease of access/processing for many government activities to include police work. I spent multiple years in a socioeconomic place where $20 meant quite a bit to me so I understand that.

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    The dmv can be a pain to get to, especially by public transportation, the hours of operation and lines can make it difficult to those who don’t have paid time off, flexible schedules, or work multiple jobs, and some of the requirements to prove your address can be difficult for the elderly or those in apartments to come by. There is a reason why the DMV has the reputation it does.
    What jobs can you legally work that don't require you to provide an ID upon hiring?

    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post

    These issues won’t prevent most people from getting an ID, but they are enough of a nuisance and have a greater impact on the poor that requiring an ID could be considered voter suppression.

    Other countries, like England, don’t require IDs and give their citizens the ability to vote by mail and by proxy. Is there widespread fear of voter fraud? Just curious.
    Don't know much about rules from other countries, but to be perfectly honest I don't trust the mail system to deliver an envelope with a bit of cash in it for a birthday. Voting is the most important right we as citizens of the US has, it behooves us to implement intelligent and fair rules while at the same time ensure everyone's vote is taken and counted correctly.
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    Originally Posted by MirinCanadian99 View Post
    Lol I'm sorry you gotta keep advocating for more government and then when said government is inefficient you cry gerrymandering or voting fraud.

    Case in point you get what you vote for. Streamline the process, give private companies the right to issue driving licenses in accordance to government regulations and trust me more people would have ID's come election day instead of lumping more government into the equation. But you won't do that since that will fix the issue and we can't have that can we? The DNC knows what best brother.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    See post #42
    "More funding"

    Case in point, more government. I.e. More inefficiencies and we'll be having this conversation t'ill the cows go moo. The post office only got slightly better once there was free market competition, I don't see why we can't have that same level of competition at the DMV or in regards to passports or other forms of ID's. As long as they comply with states regulations we would be golden. Love you ARI no hate pimp
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    This we can agree upon, state issued IDs should be free. Not just for voting, but for ease of access/processing for many government activities to include police work. I spent multiple years in a socioeconomic place where $20 meant quite a bit to me so I understand that.



    What jobs can you legally work that don't require you to provide an ID upon hiring?



    Don't know much about rules from other countries, but to be perfectly honest I don't trust the mail system to deliver an envelope with a bit of cash in it for a birthday. Voting is the most important right we as citizens of the US has, it behooves us to implement intelligent and fair rules while at the same time ensure everyone's vote is taken and counted correctly.
    I think only ~60% of adults prior to the pandemic were actively working. There are a lot of elderly voters who probably no longer have a valid ID.

    I agree, tho, that most working adults should have had an ID to at least start working at their current job.
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    so in order to vote you have to drive, deal with checks, or buy tobacco or alcohol?

    lmfao

    this sounds like a tradie explaining how he lives his life
    most functioning adults do one or more of the above, so yes you damn clown. Go ask POC if they have an ID, they'll feel insulted at the least
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    What's the point to a national holiday on election day? So government workers and teachers get a whole day off just to vote? I work long hours and have never had a problem stopping on the way home to vote. Give me the whole day off I might be too drunk to remember to leave the house. Not impressed with the idea overall but open to someone changing my mind
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    If the foundation of your country is voting then it seems logical that your elections should be as accessible as possible. If you want voter IDs then give every citizen a free ID. If you want elections to take place on one day then make it a public holiday.
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    Originally Posted by AriGhold View Post
    When we moved to Minnesota it took us several months to get all of our IDs/tags straightened out. One DMV was for the ID and driving test we had to take from being from out of state. They only had about 5 hours each week where the test was offered. I had to go back twice because I couldn’t wait any longer the first time. They punched holes in my ID and I had to go around with a piece of paper for 2 months before my ID came in the mail. Then I had to go through the process all over again 2 years later to get the realID to fly with. A separate dmv office on the other side of town took care of the new plates/tags. It’s a pain in the ass and should be simplified if we are going to change anything with the requirements.
    Sounds like Democrats suppressing driver's licenses and IDs.
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    Originally Posted by topperstyle View Post
    Brb alcohol-buying suppression for asking my ID when buying a cold snack
    a guy needs his cold snacks.
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    Originally Posted by sandaltan View Post
    that sounds like a claim that should be supported by some sorta link or evidence

    because, ya know, you might just be totally making it up
    Absolutely, and here it is:
    According to Pew Research, voter turnout at the last Presidential election in the US was just under 56%.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ped-countries/

    Here is the voter turnout of some countries with voter ID laws:

    Argentina, 2019: 80.94%

    Greece, 2019: 57.78%

    Iceland, 2017: 81.2%

    Israel, 2020: 71.52%

    Italy, 2018: 72.93%

    Netherlands, 2017: 81.93 %

    Norway, 2017: 78.22 %

    Sweden, 2018: 87.18 %

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