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    I'm an ectomorph and im looking for some suppliments but i dont really know what to look for. my goal is to gain size and strength i want to get big for next summer i know all the exserzises i need but i just need help in chosing the right supplement.i dont know how many carbs or grams of fat would be the best for gaining size and strength all i know is i need high protien to recover faster. i hope u guys can help me out a bit.

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    some stats are max bench and max curl

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    Originally Posted by XAA
    I'm an ectomorph and im looking for some suppliments but i dont really know what to look for. my goal is to gain size and strength i want to get big for next summer i know all the exserzises i need but i just need help in chosing the right supplement.i dont know how many carbs or grams of fat would be the best for gaining size and strength all i know is i need high protien to recover faster. i hope u guys can help me out a bit.

    btw noit that u need to know but im 5'10 about 135 lbs
    some stats are max bench and max curl

    bench 140
    curl 85

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    Diet:

    -Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you
    -Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you
    -Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you

    - It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time
    - It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time
    - It is NOT efficient to try and lose fat AND gain muscle at the same time

    - BMR and nutrition calculator (click here)

    - Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight)

    - Fatloss basics. READ IT:

    - Foods (Good vs. Bad):


    - If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats / steel cut oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.

    When bulking (to gain lean muscle mass), I aim for:

    - 1lb lean beef per day
    - 1 Gallon Skim Milk per day
    - Around 2000 cals per day from oats
    - Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
    - Lean chicken
    - Lean turkey
    - Lean beef / sloppy Joes (manwich)
    - Hamburger Helper
    - Lots of pasta
    - Lots of tuna
    - Potatoes
    - Rice (Note: If you can afford it you can do things like boneless chicken breast, steaks etc.. etc..)
    - Veggies (Fresh if possible)

    When cutting (to lose fat):

    - I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE

    - I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).




    Supplements:

    - Supplements / Companies to avoid: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...0&postcount=81

    - SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS ! ! )- Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)

    - Creatine timing (when / how to take it):- For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !

    Example:
    Bodyweight: 200lbs
    Total daily protein intake: 400g
    Here is why:




    Workout / Routine:

    - I recommend a MAX-OT, 5x5, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:
    - Squatting / Leg pressing
    - Deadlifts
    - Barbell benchpress
    (Including flat / decline / incline)
    - Both BB's and DB's for best results

    - Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight

    - Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).

    - Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free

    - Emphasize both range of motion, and mind-muscle connection

    - With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come

    - Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you

    - Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.





    Cardio:

    - If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights

    - If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.

    - No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea

    - Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio

    - HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio






    Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):

    - With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !

    - Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.

    - Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up

    - Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night): - Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !

    - Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:
    Carbs pre and post workout.
    Protein pre and post workout.
    Creatine pre and post workout:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=272067





    H20 / Cell volumization:

    - Make sure and drink enough water throughout the day (This is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour. (Keep in mind I am currently over 240lbs so you may not need this much) Click here to read about why this is SO IMPORTANT:
    Good luck !

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    thanks alot man i really appreciate your help i will give u the results
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    This is a few suppliments i have found that i might order i need your opinion or results from people that have used this

    GAINERS FUEL 2500
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tl/gainers2500.html

    XYIENCE NOX-CG (SEEN ON UFC AND LOOKED IT UP)
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/xy/noxcg.html

    OPTINUM 100% WHEY PROTIEN
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html
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    Originally Posted by XAA
    This is a few suppliments i have found that i might order i need your opinion or results from people that have used this

    GAINERS FUEL 2500
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tl/gainers2500.html

    XYIENCE NOX-CG (SEEN ON UFC AND LOOKED IT UP)
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/xy/noxcg.html

    OPTINUM 100% WHEY PROTIEN
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html
    The last one is good
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    Originally Posted by XAA
    This is a few suppliments i have found that i might order i need your opinion or results from people that have used this

    GAINERS FUEL 2500
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tl/gainers2500.html


    XYIENCE NOX-CG (SEEN ON UFC AND LOOKED IT UP)
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/xy/noxcg.html

    OPTINUM 100% WHEY PROTIEN
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html


    optiumium is good. xyience, you can find better alternatives
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    Another question when should i take the whey before or after an intense workout
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