Miscers who are wealthy/success stories-did you have to screw people over?

[Adam16121]

This is a common sentiment among many who aren’t mogging it. They say, at some point, you had to do some unethical thing to somebody, and that’s what put you ahead. And they are “too principled” to do the same.

Any truth to this, or is it just cope from miscers who seethe at success?

[EvanStroud]

"If they don't know they've been screwed over, they haven't been." - US Gov.

[BigDeeps01]

I won’t claim to be wealthy or successful but IMO it’s more about just putting yourself first and making moves that benefit you over anyone else. Not necessarily screwing others over

Don’t have loyalty to any one person or company. Always look for the edge for yourself, while maintaining your reputation. When you see opportunities where you can make moves, take them and don’t get left behind

[N0stradamus]

Unless you were born into wealth, you have to sacrifice your 20s and maybe even 30s to get rich.

Friends cost money - it's always someone's birthday, anniversary, graduation, wedding etc which requires you to spend money.

And friends always wanna "hang out" which is basically wasting time and getting drunk.

Whether a man becomes rich is question of how much he's willing to sacrifice.

You dont necessarily have to screw anyone over, but always be willing to do so if needed.

[ez92]

Lol at the idea of wealthy miscers. Best you'll find here is Tate wannabes and crypto bros who sunk a few grand they'll never get back. Miscers are the people who "someone did something unethical to".

[WiseOldApe]

Lol at the idea of wealthy miscers. Best you'll find here is Tate wannabes and crypto bros who sunk a few grand they'll never get back. Miscers are the people who "someone did something unethical to".

truth

[Adam16121]

Lol at the idea of wealthy miscers. Best you'll find here is Tate wannabes and crypto bros who sunk a few grand they'll never get back. Miscers are the people who "someone did something unethical to".

Brutal

[Reserrection]

In for answers.

[Rul3]

I've been decently successful in a few different places, and no never once did I purposely screw anyone over totally serious

[Evil_D]

no, got screwed over so many times myself though.

[NEETvestor]

Not rich, but I'm obsessed with business biographies and have read close to 100. It really varies. Rich people are typically much more aggressive and motivated than the average person, so inevitably many are jerks, but it's far from universal.

The one exception I've noticed is that if the guy got rich in a "winner-take-all" competition, he is guaranteed to be an azzhole. By winner-take-all, I mean something like Microsoft or ******** where the product is a natural monopoly: if nearly everyone is using Windows or MS Office, then it's the standard and you're disadvantaged if you use anything else. Or how once ******** became the most popular social network, everyone had an incentive to join and other social networks died off.

Bill Gates was notorious for trying to drive smaller competitors out of business. Gates, Zuckerberg, and Steve Jobs all did things to screw over their co-founders. The winner-take-all dynamic selects for jerks who are obsessed with winning at all costs and willing to fight dirty.

Another great example of this is Larry Ellison (famous software billionaire in the 1990s):

Michael Stonebraker created a new company so he could sell Ingres. He called the company Relational Technology Inc., or RTI--a name so similar to RSI that people routinely confused the companies. Once RSI received a check that was meant for RTI. "We had to talk Larry out of keeping it," Robert Brandt said. Ellison wasn't going to deposit the check, just keep it. "He was wondering how badly the lack of cash flow would hurt RTI."

When RSI had a deadline to meet, when it absolutely had to ship something to fulfill a contractual obligation, the company was not above shipping a blank or unreadable tape so it couldn't be accused of violating the agreement. "When the customer called, we'd say, 'Oh, there wasn't anything there? Sorry,'" Kirk Bradley said. It was a way of buying a couple extra days to work on the real product.

Ellison seemed willing to say or do almost anything to get business. According to early employee Bruce Scott, "There were four or five programmers in the whole company, and Larry was telling customers we had fifteen or sixteen." Ed Oates also said Oracle exaggerated the number of customers it had "to establish the organization as a credible place to buy product from."

On the other hand, I've met a couple of genuine moggers (one a successful hedge-fund manager, the other an early investor in Berkshire Hathaway) and they were both great guys. Likeable in person and solid business reputations. Anyone who says it's impossible to get rich without cheating/abusing people is definitely coping.

[6gorillion]

how wealthy you will be is mostly determined by the family you are born to, there are obviously outliers but it's true for the vast majority of people.