Forum Liberals/Leftists: Do you condemn FL (so-called) "Don't Say Gay" Bill?

[JUSA]

1 - You condemn this bill, it's bigoted and is hateful anti-GLBTG+

2 - You don't really care

3 - You think the bill is good

4 - You are good with the bill and disgusted with the media and those on the left who has mis-represented the bill

... Where do you stand? I've seen a lot of the forum moderate to right types who are generally 4. I haven't seen anyone really try and defend the media's assault on it, though - or even anyone who thinks the bill is bad and have explained why. The left types have been unusually silent on this one. If you think it's fine and do not want children discussing sexual things with adult teachers without knowledge/consent of parents, why have you not come out and said anything there?

[bluebeltATT]

leftism is mental illness

[Roldz]

Gotta get to the youngins before they develop normal human sexuality.

[Bodhy]

Well "Don't say gay" is a nickname. The bill doesn't contain that exact phrase, but instead, it's correct to state that the bill prohibits any discussion of sexuality, or transgenderism, in any degree by teachers.

Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

Fine by me. I think the obsession with a hyper-literal interpretation of the nickname, instead of discussing the merit of the bill, is the real item of propaganda here.

[freeheeler]

Well "Don't say gay" is a nickname. The bill doesn't contain that exact phrase, but instead, it's correct to state that the bill prohibits any discussion of sexuality, or transgenderism, in any degree by teachers.

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You of course left out " From K to 3rd grade"

[rhadam]

Fukkin lmao at doodie coming in here to explain what the Parental Rights bill is. As if it hasn’t been discussed for the last 15 days.

What’s he gonna explain next.. that Misc is actually the abbreviated form of Miscellaneous? LOL

[dabbmw2002]

Fukkin lmao at doodie coming in here to explain what the Parental Rights bill is. As if it hasn’t been discussed for the last 15 days.

What’s he gonna explain next.. that Misc is actually the abbreviated form of Miscellaneous? LOL

Lmao. He's so condescending, but I'm starting to think maybe it's just autism.

But I would love to hear the responses from forum lefties

[Bushmaster]

Well "Don't say gay" is a nickname. The bill doesn't contain that exact phrase, but instead, it's correct to state that the bill prohibits any discussion of sexuality, or transgenderism, in any degree by teachers.


Fine by me. I think the obsession with a hyper-literal interpretation of the nickname, instead of discussing the merit of the bill, is the real item of propaganda here.

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[JUSA]

Well "Don't say gay" is a nickname. The bill doesn't contain that exact phrase, but instead, it's correct to state that the bill prohibits any discussion of sexuality, or transgenderism, in any degree by teachers.

Fine by me. I think the obsession with a hyper-literal interpretation of the nickname, instead of discussing the merit of the bill, is the real item of propaganda here.

Fairly good answer. Short by chitstain's standards too. No, the bill doesn't contain the phrase, it's the propaganda against it trying to depict is as such.

They do it for a reason, though, something you kind of ignore or appear ignorant of. They do not want to discuss the merit of the bill. Normal people will not disagree with it. Normal people do not want children being indoctrinated in any direction, particularly a LGBTQ one, but any discussion of sexuality at that age is offensive. They all know this. That is why they tried to propagandize it as anti-LGBTQ hate speech.

I wouldn't expect you to point that out but I give you credit for otherwise being sane, at least this once and with this one instance.

[Mr Beer]

Never heard of it, there's bigger issues around at the moment.

[JUSA]

Never heard of it, there's bigger issues around at the moment.

Negging for entering this thread in bad faith.

1) Lying. You have heard about it, hence you are able to assess it’s importance.

2) Suggesting that other issues being (arguably) more important means this one can not be discussed. Never in political history has one and only one “most important” issue been discussed.

Thread crap elsewhere or just admit you don’t want to go against your side even in an indefensible argument like this.

[Mr Beer]

Negging for entering this thread in bad faith.

1) Lying. You have heard about it, hence you are able to assess it’s importance.

2) Suggesting that other issues being (arguably) more important means this one can not be discussed. Never in political history has one and only one “most important” issue been discussed.

Thread crap elsewhere or just admit you don’t want to go against your side even in an indefensible argument like this.

You Americans are so parochial that you imagine the entire world follows all your tedious little arguments with bated breath. I live in Australia not the US, but apparently it's incomprehensible to you arrogant fuks that I'm not all over some US state Bill. What do you think of the Queensland Nature Conservation Bill of March 2022? What, never heard of it? Negged for lying.

[freeheeler]

Never heard of it, there's bigger issues around at the moment.

Bigger issues than grooming the nations children? De Santis is the Governor of Florida, he's looking after the welfare of the kids in that state.

[freeheeler]

You Americans are so parochial that you imagine the entire world follows all your tedious little arguments with bated breath. I live in Australia not the US, but apparently it's incomprehensible to you arrogant fuks that I'm not all over some US state Bill. What do you think of the Queensland Nature Conservation Bill of March 2022? What, never heard of it? Negged for lying.

Why did you enter the thread if you were clueless about and it didn't affect you in any way? Don't you think every parent in the state of Florida is concerned about what happens their children in school and what they are being taught?

[Mr Beer]

Why did you enter the thread if you were clueless about and it didn't affect you in any way?

Because OP literally asked me to do so in the thread title: "Forum Liberals/Leftists: Do you condemn FL (so-called) "Don't Say Gay" Bill?"

[JUSA]

You Americans are so parochial that you imagine the entire world follows all your tedious little arguments with bated breath. I live in Australia not the US, but apparently it's incomprehensible to you arrogant fuks that I'm not all over some US state Bill. What do you think of the Queensland Nature Conservation Bill of March 2022? What, never heard of it? Negged for lying.

Not caring is fine - I gave it as an option. What I took issue with was your lying about it.

If you never heard of it, you would be unaware of it's importance. You would not know other issues were of greater importance as you were unaware of it. So, you lied.

As for being an aussie, I'm all for you sticking your nose elsewhere but you seem to subjectively do it. Sometimes, you're very keen on American politics, here suddenly, not so much. Wonder why.

[Mr Beer]

Not caring is fine - I gave it as an option. What I took issue with was your lying about it.

If you never heard of it, you would be unaware of it's importance. You would not know other issues were of greater importance as you were unaware of it. So, you lied.

As for being an aussie, I'm all for you sticking your nose elsewhere but you seem to subjectively do it. Sometimes, you're very keen on American politics, here suddenly, not so much. Wonder why.

I said 'there's bigger issues around' meaning 'I'm too concerned with major events that matter to me, such as the war in Ukraine and our upcoming general election, to look into some local state level bill you're asking about'. Next time make it clear that you're asking in bad faith. I did you the courtesy of answering a question you'd asked because I thought that you were a rational adult who means what he says. Turns out you're just another one of those partisan weirdos who asks a leading question to 'own the libs' and then throws a tantrum when you don't get the response you want.

EDIT

I care about US issues that are big enough to matter to me like Federal elections and million+ covid deaths through mismanagement, I don't care about to the level this forum does about subjects like AOC and local by-laws, because duh, I don't live there.

[128]

I think the best part of this is lefties nicknaming it "Don't Say Gay"

then freaking out over the nickname they gave it.

Basically:

leftism is mental illness

[BigDeeps01]

Never heard of it, there's bigger issues around at the moment.

Oh look it’s bad faith McGee!

[AlfBundy]

Never heard of it, there's bigger issues around at the moment.

Translation: I'm ashamed of what liberalism has become but I don't want to admit it

[LeftistGent]

Dont give a fuk - it's yet another bill designed to distract the average idiot from actual important issues like class issues, corruption, and the central banking cartel

[AlfBundy]

Dont give a fuk - it's yet another bill designed to distract the average idiot from actual important issues like class issues, corruption, and the central banking cartel

Translation: I'm ashamed of what liberalism has become but I don't want to admit it

[ezmac31]

You Americans are so parochial that you imagine the entire world follows all your tedious little arguments with bated breath. I live in Australia not the US, but apparently it's incomprehensible to you arrogant fuks that I'm not all over some US state Bill. What do you think of the Queensland Nature Conservation Bill of March 2022? What, never heard of it? Negged for lying.

Unhinged

[JUSA]

Dont give a fuk - it's yet another bill designed to distract the average idiot from actual important issues like class issues, corruption, and the central banking cartel

Repped. Good faith argument.

[LeftistGent]

Translation: I'm ashamed of what liberalism has become but I don't want to admit it

I've criticized socially left ****s consistently on here. Identity politics as a whole takes away from class issues that plague society. Desantis is just doing this for political gain to lock down the religious base while liberals are crying about it so they don't have to actually solve any real issues. At the same time, the banking cartel is laughing at everyone while they bend you over

[rhadam]

I've criticized socially left ****s consistently on here. Identity politics as a whole takes away from class issues that plague society. Desantis is just doing this for political gain to lock down the religious base while liberals are crying about it so they don't have to actually solve any real issues. At the same time, the banking cartel is laughing at everyone while they bend you over

Wrong on two accounts. First, at the core all politics is identity politics. Secondly, DeSantis isn't at risk of losing religion-based voters. It is also illogical to believe that because one issue is being addressed that all other issues either don't matter, or won't be addressed. Beyond faulty logic.

[TheJimmyRustler]

You of course left out " From K to 3rd grade"

Is that genuinely all it applies to? That's, what, 4 year olds up to 8 year olds or something, isn't it? And they're screeching and REEEEEEEing about that? Why the fuk would you want to be able to talk to kids about that stuff at that kind of age??

Leftists confirmed groomers.

[LeftistGent]

Wrong on two accounts. First, at the core all politics is identity politics. Secondly, DeSantis isn't at risk of losing religion-based voters. It is also illogical to believe that because one issue is being addressed that all other issues either don't matter, or won't be addressed. Beyond faulty logic.

And yet, the issues have still yet to be addressed properly. It's just a constant inflow of new identity politics bullchit so they can continue to dodge the things that really matter.

[vickissick07]

If I talked to an underaged co-worker about the stuff teachers are talking to kids about I'd be fired and put on a list. These sick fuks need some good old fashioned citizen justice imo. Talk to my kid about that **** and I'm gonna change your gender.

[Fishman15]

If I talked to an underaged co-worker about the stuff teachers are talking to kids about I'd be fired and put on a list. These sick fuks need some good old fashioned citizen justice imo. Talk to my kid about that **** and I'm gonna change your gender.

Well, unless you were supportive of it. Then you would get promoted and put on a protected list...