Fwiw, I support Brexit.
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Thread: Congrats to my Engreesh Brahs.
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06-24-2016, 02:17 AM #1
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06-24-2016, 02:50 AM #2
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Congrats on our economy overnight going from the 4th largest in the world to the 5th, behind France?
Congrats on sterling being at the worst low against the dollar since 1985?
Congrats on the prospect of facing a real chance of having to choose between the idiot Boris Johnson and the contemptible Michael Gove for PM?
Congrats on having made Marie le Pen happy?
Congrats on the overwhelming probability of going back into recession?
Or on something else?
I hope there will be some long term upsides to Brexit, though if there are they are most unlikely to be the upsides that the majority of the leave voters thought they were voting for. But in the short term congratulations and celebrations feel a bit premature.☻/
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06-24-2016, 03:18 AM #3
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In terms of currency exchange rates, its just a global market knee jerk reaction. I'm sure things will balance themselves out after-all its going to be a the very minimum 2 years before anything really happens.
The big question is - will we will be allowed to participate in the Eurovision song contest!?Instagram - @dazlittle123
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06-24-2016, 03:24 AM #4
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Agreed. But it is the market's reflection of the fact that Brexit brings with it massive uncertainty - we basically don't actually have a real plan in place to work out wtf we are going to do next. No-one seriously though Brexit was a likely result (least of all Boris Johnson, whose personal views are very much "remain" but jumped on the Brexit wagon for political gain even though he thought he would lose), so there really any certainty of how we go about what comes next. Hell we don't even know when we ought to trigger Article 50!
Lots of doom and gloom about the long term at the moment. I personally think it is very overstated, but it is difficult to say when we don't know what we want, or how we are going to get it, or when!
We still get to participate in the Eurovision.
However we won't be able to continue in Euro 2016*
*this is not because of Brexit - it is because we are ch1t at football and will be knocked out soon.☻/
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06-24-2016, 03:26 AM #5
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06-24-2016, 04:11 AM #6
The US should learn a simple lesson from this re Trump. The shy, quiet voters will shock you. If the media, their friends etc call them racist, bigoted etc for the way they want to vote, they will say that they are voting left, so that people will leave them alone, but when they get in that little booth, they will vote right.
A democratic deficit was laid bare when listening to many politicians last night. A lot of people were asking if calling the referendum was a mistake. Asking the public to vote was a mistake? If people believe in democracy, asking the public to vote is never a mistake, no matter how stupid you (and I) think the electorate is. If you think that a vote shouldn't have been allowed because it gives the "wrong" result, you don't believe in democracy at all, but just use it as a cloak to hide personal quests for power.Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!
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06-24-2016, 04:21 AM #7
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I think the polls got it wrong because they were telephone polls and internet polls. Most of the voting was by northerners who don't have telephones or computers...
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06-24-2016, 04:39 AM #8
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06-24-2016, 04:45 AM #9
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06-24-2016, 04:55 AM #10
What I am finding the most shocking, besides how bitter the remain camp is, is how little preparation has been done. The government, who legislated for the referendum, have blatantly made no preparations for what would happen in the event of a leave vote, they just assumed that people would do as they were told. Where was the impact assessment, the disaster planning, the change management processes etc? FFS, the head escalation point has just resigned. We are in full blown keystone cops mode.
Anna Soubry (business minister for those who don't know) just said that project fear has become project fact. The markets aren't real, nothing has actually changed from yesterday, the markets are all about confidence and perception. A business minister going on national tv and telling the world that the economy is now fked, doesn't exactly help confidence.Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!
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06-24-2016, 04:55 AM #11
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06-24-2016, 04:56 AM #12
Advisory, it has no legal standing. If we leave by activating article 50, we file for divorce and the divorce will take 2 years. We can do that any time we want though, now, next year, the year after or whatever.
If they try and do it outside article 50, who knows. The process of somebody leaving has never actually been done before.Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!
The only dangerous thing about an exercise is the person doing it.
They had the technology to rebuild me. They made me better, stronger, faster......
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06-24-2016, 05:10 AM #13
Mates,
The global economy will tank sooner or later. The global debt is a quadrillion dollars. It is mathematically impossible to pay off.
Phukk the globalists.
Yes, they will blame Brexit, but there are people who are well aware that that EU was a creation of the US.
EU already destroyed Cyprus and Greece. Brexit was the right decision.
It's ironic how the early Americans directly told England to phukk off. Now you Brexiters indirectly told the US to phuck off right back.This above all..
To thine ownself be true..
And it must follow, as the night the day..
Thou can'st not then be false to any man..
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06-24-2016, 05:17 AM #14
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That is what I have been banging on about for the last few days. I have no problem with a Brexit vote in principle. But in practice, to engineer a Brexit vote without a plan is just insane. Its like leaving a job that you have been in for 40 years, without having a new job to go to, without having looked at the job market, and without having written a CV. Sure leave the job if it sucks, but at least make some provision for what you might do afterwards.
The response from the Remain camp has been poor though. It is all very well to think "we are so f%^&ed", and that might be right. But there is a lot of petulance from the Remain camp saying essentially - "you are idiots and you are wrong, and you are now f&*%d so f&*^ you"
Sadly most voters in the UK don't have any clue of what this means. Most of them are either voting on the basis of anti-immigration, or some vague argument about "taking control" which they don't really understand. The rich irony is that most of the people who have voted against "unelected" officialdom don't usually vote! But they are going to have to wait a little while for their "control". The UK Parliament is going to be pretty much dedicated for the next 10 years just legislating their way out of Europe, let alone doing anything else.
Outside the UK, the effects are going to be seismic. The market effect is going to be big regardless, at least in the short term. Long term, there is a real chance that it will spell the beginning of the end of the EU. And that would be a very big deal indeed, for the US as well as the rest of the world.☻/
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06-24-2016, 05:34 AM #15
Spain are fked. The Spanish property market tanked in the crash, but do you have any idea what will happen to tourist areas when they start to worry that Brits will stop going there on holiday and buying property? There may well be little tangible change, but the fear is going to tank property in tourist areas.
Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!
The only dangerous thing about an exercise is the person doing it.
They had the technology to rebuild me. They made me better, stronger, faster......
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06-24-2016, 05:44 AM #16
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Spain are fecked for sure, but even Germany are in a grim position. They have to brutally murder us in trade negotiations in order to prevent all the rest of the dissenters from upping and leaving (as they have already threatened to do this morning), and yet doing so is going to hugely damage their own export market. Meanwhile France now have to stave off a rampant Marie le Pen who is crowing about the result, Holland similarly. Troubling times for the Eurozone.
Putin must be rubbing his hands with glee!☻/
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06-24-2016, 05:46 AM #17
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06-24-2016, 05:58 AM #18
They should have taken us seriously then. The UK said they would leave if Europe didn't change and Europe sat there with Gallic condescension and said "those stupid English kniggits, let them eat cake". The EU never took the threat of Brexit seriously; they are used to telling countries to vote again if they vote "wrong", but we are too big to pull that crap on. With 2000 years of war (on and off) between England and mainland Europe, they should damn well know that the English are more than capable of saying "fk you" out of principle or just sheer belligerence.
Screw nature; my body will do what I DAMN WELL tell it to do!
The only dangerous thing about an exercise is the person doing it.
They had the technology to rebuild me. They made me better, stronger, faster......
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06-24-2016, 06:01 AM #19
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06-24-2016, 06:16 AM #20
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06-24-2016, 06:29 AM #24
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06-24-2016, 06:39 AM #25
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06-24-2016, 06:44 AM #26
Since non-binding, Britain has time to declare Article 50 than a two years to get out. Between now and declaring the article 500, they can renegioate trade agreements...correct? I suspect it will be a difficult process, there are a lot of pissed off people outside the UK right now...
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06-24-2016, 06:47 AM #27
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06-24-2016, 06:47 AM #28
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06-24-2016, 06:48 AM #29
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06-24-2016, 06:50 AM #30
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The EU have said we should declare Article 50 now, as have the opposition in the UK. That puts huge pressure on the renegotiation of any trade deal, which is of course why they both say that. The Conservatives would like to delay the Article 50 trigger as long as possible for the same reason, and yes, that would give a bit more leeway in negotiations. But there is huge pressure on the EU to be seen to punish Britain and fast, because there is already a growing clamour for further exits across Europe. So any negotiation is going to be brutal.
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