Syria...

[superman713]

Looks like we may be going into another war... Lots of different views on it. What are the O35 brains thoughts on it?

[mslman71]

I'm thinking this "change" looks mighty familiar.

Weird after having been around for more than a few decades now how familiar each of these little build-ups looks; event, saber rattle, soft sell, hard sell, build-up, engage. I feel like I'm watching a wreck develop. I can see the situation evolving, I know or am at least fairly certain what's going to happen, and there's nothing I can do about it.

I have no desire for us to be involved. Personally I do not follow the moral calculus that gives more weight to the death of hundreds by mechanism A over the deaths of a hundred thousand by mechanism B.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

There is one major difference here than in any other recent conflict.

Russia has let it be known that they will back up Assad. They have even apparently moved both ships and troops into the area. I don't know about you all but I don't want either Obama or Hagel calling the shots in WWIII.

There isn't even clear proof that the government conducted the attack, some sources believe the rebels actually are responsible.

[Demonchylde]

Ill put it this way. It's a serious situation. Chemicle Masacre!

When the President of France...yes France, is getting ready to strike (France generally is not the first to strike. We all know this.) Even when the British Halt. I forsee intervention.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

Ill put it this way. It's a serious situation. Chemicle Masacre!

When the President of France...yes France, is getting ready to strike (France generally is not the first to strike. We all know this.) Even when the British Halt. I forsee intervention.

Then you can expect many thousands to die, perhaps millions.

[SP1966]

There is one major difference here than in any other recent conflict.

Russia has let it be known that they will back up Assad. They have even apparently moved both ships and troops into the area. I don't know about you all but I don't want either Obama or Hagel calling the shots in WWIII.

There isn't even clear proof that the government conducted the attack, some sources believe the rebels actually are responsible.

Russia to the rescue! Never expected to say that before. I hope they are able to deter the Moonbat leaders from engaging Syria, let them sort out their own problems. If I had my way we would take a more hands off role with the singular exception of making it known that any aggression towards Israel will be considered aggression towards the USA.

If we have to fight in the middle east again anytime soon then there is no question in my mind that Iran should be the focus. Syria is of little direct threat to us.

Obumbles wins either way. If he starts a war he has his distraction, if he doesn't but continues to bang on the war drums the media will continue to ape his comments and he'll have his distraction. Even without Syria they've all but forgotten Benghazi, IRS, and the NSA, the only scandal they'll talk about is Immigration Reform, and the scandal there is the lack of support from the right.

[SP1966]

Ill put it this way. It's a serious situation. Chemicle Masacre!

When the President of France...yes France, is getting ready to strike (France generally is not the first to strike. We all know this.) Even when the British Halt. I forsee intervention.

Just because the French are for or against something doesn't make it right. They've been on the wrong side of history so many times its usually a safe bet to move opposite their direction.

[mslman71]

Russia to the rescue! Never expected to say that before. I hope they are able to deter the Moonbat leaders from engaging Syria, let them sort out their own problems. If I had my way we would take a more hands off role with the singular exception of making it known that any aggression towards Israel will be considered aggression towards the USA.

If we have to fight in the middle east again anytime soon then there is no question in my mind that Iran should be the focus. Syria is of little direct threat to us.

Obumbles wins either way. If he starts a war he has his distraction, if he doesn't but continues to bang on the war drums the media will continue to ape his comments and he'll have his distraction. Even without Syria they've all but forgotten Benghazi, IRS, and the NSA, the only scandal they'll talk about is Immigration Reform, and the scandal there is the lack of support from the right.

so i am clear & understand correctly, if i write something about der fubar oblowme, the fact i am one of the 58 million who didn`t vote for the lying socialist, don`t believe in that hopeee changeee crap, & that i don`t look upon him as the savior {god almighty himself}, that i think he & his minions are out to utterly destroy america & it`s history, heritage, disparaging the founding fathers and rewriting history eradicating the constitution and to remake it into a turd world nation, making us equal to greece or some god forsaken element of the middle east, & where judeo/christian values are vilified and persecuted/ prosecuted & i should embrace that pablum coexist garbage, lose my ability to think for myself, that i should embrace more debt, taxes, social welfare, more corruption, violating freedoms @ the drop of a hat and ruling by an authoritative self guided narcissism not granted to anyone other than a 2 bit dictator--------------that my posts may be deleted because some weak willed spineless, no sack gutless american hating follower of the great one may be butt hurt & would rather see me and many like me in prison or re education camps with "yes we can" emblazoned shirts on--------guess what-----------kiss my azz and come get some----------i kneel to the name above all names, the lord of hosts, the lion of judah, not too any man and certainly not too obama or his edicts, nor his minions

[SP1966]

[superman713]

I personally think we have invested too much time, money, effort, and more importantly American lives in middle eastern conflicts. Its clear that the region is set on fighting to the death or destruction of the area, so let it be.

I agree that we are teetering on WWIII. Our coward in chief has already strained relations with Russia by being a complete ass and a disrespectful lil $****, all the while bowing to the king of SA. If and when SHTF the last person I want calling the shots is BHO, or Killary...

[SP1966]

I personally think we have invested too much time, money, effort, and more importantly American lives in middle eastern conflicts. Its clear that the region is set on fighting to the death or destruction of the area, so let it be.

I agree that we are teetering on WWIII. Our coward in chief has already strained relations with Russia by being a complete ass and a disrespectful lil $****, all the while bowing to the king of SA. If and when SHTF the last person I want calling the shots is BHO, or Killary...

"What difference at this point does it make?"

[mslman71]

[IMG]http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp50/SP1966/obamagifs_zpsc65ce66e.gif[IMG]

This was one of the most triumphant gif gets yet. I got both the happy nodding, which was what I was searching for, _and_ I got the nobel emblem [peace prize] in the shot as well.

(pat pat pat)

[superman713]

"What difference at this point does it make?"

I see what you did there... LOL.




I wish someone would have slapped the caked on make up off her face when she said that...

[PiscesBearLove]

i feel that we should let them hash it out and get our boys home and take care of the issues here in the US.

i mean we didn't intervene in WW2 until we got bombed, they had been killing jews for a long time before we attacked Germany. i am not one that believes we have a moral obligation to police the world.

[SP1966]

i feel that we should let them hash it out and get our boys home and take care of the issues here in the US.

i mean we didn't intervene in WW2 until we got bombed, they had been killing jews for a long time before we attacked Germany. i am not one that believes we have a moral obligation to police the world.

I see it a little different. The Syrians are killing each other, the Germans were trying to exterminate an entire race.

[SleeperService]

Pro tip: Never get involved in sectarian conflict if you can avoid it. Which is why I'm glad our government voted to stay out of this mess.

[PiscesBearLove]

I see it a little different. The Syrians are killing each other, the Germans were trying to exterminate an entire race.

Well even so, we didn't attack Germany to protect the jews. Japan bombed us and it threw us into the conflict with Japan, since Japan and Germany were allies; Germany declared was on us.

The main point of my statement was policing counties out of moral obligation to protect people, whether it's their own people, a race, a culture, a religion etc...

edit: just clarifying, i still think we ought to let them be and stay out of it.

[Old-Time-Lifter]

I see it a little different. The Syrians are killing each other, the Germans were trying to exterminate an entire race.

In Syria it's a Civil War, in Germany not so. Again, we still do not know for sure that it wasn't the rebels that did the chemical attack.

These 'rebels' are btw the same people that attacked our embassy in Libya and who we've been fighting for so many years. Why we want to suddenly come to their aid is beyond any comprehension.

[SP1966]

In Syria it's a Civil War, in Germany not so. Again, we still do not know for sure that it wasn't the rebels that did the chemical attack.

Also lost in all this, or just avoided, is the old rumors that prior to engaging in Iraq they had moved much of the WMD/Chemical arsenal to Syria. Not saying its a fact or that it happened, just interesting.

These 'rebels' are btw the same people that attacked our embassy in Libya and who we've been fighting for so many years. Why we want to suddenly come to their aid is beyond any comprehension.

Be ruled by an single dictator or be ruled by murderous religious leaders, there are no good choices for those people. From our perspective the dictator is nice.

[mslman71]

I'm no military strategist (obviously!) but if I start with a couple of postulates:

1) The Syrian military maintains a conventional upper hand in the conflict
2) Within the cloak of Jihad or whatever religious justification, morality in the traditional sense can be side stepped

What sense does it make for the Syrian military to use chemical weapons*? They have little to nothing to gain that can't be managed tactically and strategically using conventional weapons. Yes, there's an aspect of terror in the strategic sense that chemical weapons give you relative to conventional ones, but in the context of all hell breaking lose does it really matter? Likewise, what does the Syrian military have to lose? Currently, or prior to chemical weapons allegations, they are or were receiving little more than a finger wag from the West while being otherwise allowed to conduct military operations with impunity. Increasing their visibility to the West by using chemical weapons can do nothing but put them at greater risk of outside intervention. On the flip side, the rebels are at a disadvantage conventionally. Remembering postulate #2, it makes perfect sense for the rebels to stage a chemical attack on their own people and improve the chance of getting outside military forces to augment their own and to serve their own ends. I can certainly imagine that if I were part of the rebel alliance and I had convinced myself my cause was bigger than any one person I would consider using chemical weapons to gain favor and force the hand militarily of otherwise semi-neutral parties.


*assuming they are operating as a cohesive unit

[JOHN GARGANI]

Here is what I always tell people about these situations: let's give a HYPOTHETICAL:

Russia uses chemical weapons on those pesky Chechnyans......okay: do we, then, the USA, the NEXT DAY, shoot Tomahawk missles into Russia and fly sorties over their airfields????????

even the staunchest Conservative would have to say no...we wouldn't......

and WHY wouldn't we?? Because Russia, an equally equipped Nuclear Power, could together with the USA, then destroy the planet if it got to that level, Which is what would happen, BTW, if we ever did such a thing to RUSSIA....

I could repeat the same hypothetical if it were China....when they massacred the Students in Tianneman Square, did we launch an attack on them??? After all, that was an egregious violation of human rights also.....

BUT: when a pissant essentially defenseless ( relative to the USA ) country like Syria ( remember, I am saying RELATIVELY defenseless, and I am not saying they are not culpable) "violates" human rights, we are ready to UNILATERALLY INVADE THEIR COUNTRY!!!!

if this ISN'T an example of Bullying, then what is???????? It has already been established, logically, that we would NOT pursue the same course of action if it were Russia...

no: if it were Russia, we would make all of the obligatory condemning speeches, but we would leave any recriminations or sanctions up to the World Governing Body ( the UN ).....

so why should we act , on our own, without the approval of that same governing body, just because it is a country we know is inferior to us?????????

and while we are at it, before we, as usual, villify Russia, just remember, that they supply equipment and military supplies AT A PRICE to Syria, so, right or wrong, they are simply protecting their economic interests by supporting Syria...not saying I agree with their choice of clients, but be as it may, they are responding as anyone else would if their meal ticket was being threatened.....


what is the answer? aha.....that one, I will evade and dodge....just giving some food for thought...

[SP1966]

no: if it were Russia, we would make all of the obligatory condemning speeches, but we would leave any recriminations or sanctions up to the World Governing Body ( the UN ).....

so why should we act , on our own, without the approval of that same governing body, just because it is a country we know is inferior to us?????????

I agree with everything you said with the exception of given a damn what the UN has to say about anything. The UN is a worthless, disgusting mess.

[MoonAbove]

If O goes through with any kind of military action, he will get us into WWIII.

Here's what we need to consider:

1 - The UK has already said they will not stand beside the US in any kind of military action. Neither will the UN. (way to go, O, The Great Uniter. How hard is it to piss off England??)
2 - Syria has gassed a few hundred people. Not thousands, not millions. S.Hussein had murdered a million of his own people before the US went in, and after he threatened to use WMD's. Not even comparable.
3 - Syria's allies - Russia AND China. Both of whom are itching for an excuse to blast the O (aka, The Great Uniter, sorry). This to me is the biggest danger.
4 - The point of a delicate little military tap, as O is hinting at, would be, what? Stabbing the giant with a pin just inflames, it doesn't destroy. War is all or nothing, not bitch-slapping. Both feckless AND reckless.
5 - The ramifications of pissing off the Islamists-at-Large.
6 - If we go in with an orchestrated military strategy (which we won't, since that's not how O works), aimed at disabling Assad's Regime, then who is responsible for rebuilding and bringing democracy to Syria? This will be even MORE of a cluster ram than Iraq. Our resources are less, and Al Qaeda is far stronger.
7 - Israel.

Clearly we've learned nothing from recent history. Not a thing.

To the libs who reamed my boy GWB for his cowboy-up attitude in charging into Iraq, just remember that GWB had Congressional approval (O is not going to do that, since he rules the kingdom in a bubble and craps on the Constitution and Democracy like a puppy on a wee wee pad), the UN *loosely* backed the US-led action in Iraq (this is not the case with Syria and the O "plan" at all, in fact, they've done the same amount of nothing), and 50 nations stood with the US to support military action in Iraq.

If he moves forward in any way, this will be just the beginning.

[SP1966]

If O goes through with any kind of military action, he will get us into WWIII.

Immense overreaction.

3 - Syria's allies - Russia AND China. Both of whom are itching for an excuse to blast the O (aka, The Great Uniter, sorry). This to me is the biggest danger.

Neither of which have a death wish, they may make a lot of noise but they're not about to start WWIII.

5 - The ramifications of pissing off the Islamists-at-Large.

F'ck Islamist, bring it you little f'cking weasels.

[MoonAbove]

Immense overreaction.



Neither of which have a death wish, they may make a lot of noise but they're not about to start WWIII.



F'ck Islamist, bring it you little f'cking weasels.

Are you kidding me? The US against Russia and China? Remember, O has been very busy disabling and reducing our nuclear armaments over his brief and illustrious tenure. No other county has followed suit. We are no match for one country anymore, let alone two.

If he goes in with what he is proposing - one of his unilateral, non-Congressionally backed, and non-armed forces planned attacks, and does something that sufficiently pisses off Russia and China, who really both HATE O and the US (thanks, O, for undoing a relationship with Russia in 5 years that took 25 to re-establish), it's game over.

You forget - O acts on his own. He doesn't seek advice, input, nor Democratic approval. He does what he likes, and one thing we've learned from his great ideas, is that they are all ill-conceived, and end up doing more damage than good.

[crupiea]

I dont believe what the media is telling us.

I do believe that this administration will do everything it can to eliminate Israel including invading neighboring countries to get the radicals to do their bidding.

You can think i am nuts all day but the UN ambassador herself, samantha power, suggested we do exactly that. She has great influence in the white house as her husband is cass sunstein. you would think with a name like sunstein he would be more on israels side but thats for another topic.

[HDStretchman]

Seems to me that Russia is in more of a position to influence Syria than we are. Might be time to ask them to step up and do something about the use of chemicals.

It's not a tit for tat. It's about stopping the current regime from the use of those weapons on defenseless people. Whatever we can do short of military intervention is the best option.

[ArchAngel'73]

that last thing this country needs is the reputation of having backed down to Putin....


Going to be seriously disappointed if we don't call Russia's bluff here !

Great Soviet leader is salvation of Mother Russia!
He is not bluffing Ameranski.

[Corbi]

I see it a little different. The Syrians are killing each other, the Germans were trying to exterminate an entire race.

It's their own civil war and I say we stay as far away as we can possibly get, it's not our job in life to be the worlds peace keepers at all times, especially when we haven't done all that great of a job at it at times.

[PiscesBearLove]