Should I start with starting strength?

[iEagleV]

firstly, let me just say I know this question is asked a lot... but i'd like to know whether it would be right for ME.

I've never set foot in a gym in my life, tomorrow i'm joining a local gym and i'm well excited lol. I'm not really training for strength, i'm going purely for aesthetics - although I realize I will gain strength in the process.

My question is, would it be better to start with starting strength? Or should I try all pro's beginner routine? Or create my own?

Thanks.

[rasse226]

Do starting strength. Here are some videos to get your form in check

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byOk4OE_6uI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkF9QD7oCIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u899wRnwqs

[watwut]

Starting Strength ignores quite a bit of muscles. Biceps, calves, rear delts, side delts, most of your upper back.

I would probably get on a routine more geared towards size, such as All Pros beginner routine, Lyle Mcdonalds Bulking routine.. or just a basic 3/4/5 day split where 1-2 muscles are worked each day.

[PattyOLantern]

Do starting strength. Here are some videos to get your form in check

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byOk4OE_6uI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkF9QD7oCIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u899wRnwqs

Yes.

Starting Strength ignores quite a bit of muscles. Biceps, calves, rear delts, side delts, most of your upper back.

I would probably get on a routine more geared towards size, such as All Pros beginner routine, Lyle Mcdonalds Bulking routine.. or just a basic 3/4/5 day split where 1-2 muscles are worked each day.

No.

[rasse226]

Starting Strength ignores quite a bit of muscles. Biceps, calves, rear delts, side delts, most of your upper back.

I would probably get on a routine more geared towards size, such as All Pros beginner routine, Lyle Mcdonalds Bulking routine.. or just a basic 3/4/5 day split where 1-2 muscles are worked each day.

Splits suck, dont you ever reccomend someone a split again

[watwut]

Yes.

No

No.

Yes

[watwut]

Splits suck, dont you ever reccomend someone a split again

Nope, they don't. They will work just as well as any other routine as long as you eat enough.

[rasse226]

Nope, they don't. They will work just as well as any other routine as long as you eat enough.

No they wont, do some research before you start making reccomendations to other people

[Booooom]

Nope, they don't. They will work just as well as any other routine as long as you eat enough.

yes but for a beginner a routine with low volume and high frequency would be very beneficial

[watwut]

No they wont, do some research before you start making reccomendations to other people

I have done my research. There is very little concrete evidence that supports the whole frequency > volume theory.

Perhaps you should read half of those studies and see the control groups they use, and how they carry out the tests. Almost all of them are inconclusive.

[skeeet27]

No





Yes

[watwut]

yes but for a beginner a routine with low volume and high frequency would be very beneficial

Any routine is going to be beneficial for a beginner provided their diet and rest are in check. It's really as simple as that.

[rasse226]

I have done my research. There is very little concrete evidence that supports the whole frequency > volume theory.

Perhaps you should read half of those studies and see the control groups they use, and how they carry out the tests. Almost all of them are inconclusive.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8563679

[watwut]

LOL, that is ****ing brutal.

[watwut]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8563679

Spiderman already linked that in another thread, along with a few other studies. I said the same thing to him, and I'll say it here as well:

Protein synthesis =/= muscle recovery. It's but a small part of it. Protein synthesis returning to baseline levels does not mean muscle repair / growth stops.

Lets assume this study is 100% correct, and proves frequency > volume (which it doesn't).

So, from ONE study.. we've figured out the optimal frequency needed by the entire human population on earth? Lol, please go.

[jbball92]

Any routine is going to be beneficial for a beginner provided their diet and rest are in check. It's really as simple as that.

beneficial =/= optimal


i swear to god im going to find you and slap the **** out of you

[watwut]

beneficial =/= optimal


i swear to god im going to find you and slap the **** out of you

Roid rage bro.

There is no one optimal program / frequency. Different things work for different people, hell, all those frequency studies prove that.

[jbball92]

Roid rage bro.

There is no one optimal program / frequency. Different things work for different people, hell, all those frequency studies prove that.

maybe 2 weeks ago that would be accurate

[rasse226]

Spiderman already linked that in another thread, along with a few other studies. I said the same thing to him, and I'll say it here as well:

Protein synthesis =/= muscle recovery. It's but a small part of it. Protein synthesis returning to baseline levels does not mean muscle repair / growth stops.

Lets assume this study is 100% correct, and proves frequency > volume (which it doesn't).


So, from ONE study.. we've figured out the optimal frequency needed by the entire human population on earth? Lol, please go.

All humans are going to respond in a very similar way. Its not like a split would be optimal for any natural beginner/intermediate

[PattyOLantern]

Spiderman already linked that in another thread, along with a few other studies. I said the same thing to him, and I'll say it here as well:

Protein synthesis =/= muscle recovery. It's but a small part of it. Protein synthesis returning to baseline levels does not mean muscle repair / growth stops.

Lets assume this study is 100% correct, and proves frequency > volume (which it doesn't).

So, from ONE study.. we've figured out the optimal frequency needed by the entire human population on earth? Lol, please go.

I'm sure you have so much more experience training people than Mark Rippetoe. Oh, you don't? Well then, bodypart splits must be better.

[watwut]

All humans are going to respond in a very similar way. Its not like a split would be optimal for any natural beginner/intermediate

Like I said, protein synthesis =/= muscle recovery. That's one small piece of the puzzle.

Splits aren't optimal, neither are full body routines. Do what you prefer, stay consistent with your diet / routine / sleep and you WILL get huge.

[S3RB0N]

Anything you do at the gym tomorrow will cause extreme soreness anyway, i recommend you not to do the compounds at the gym the first week, just try doing squats and deadlifts at home without any weight, use a pole,bat... anything. Get your form checked by recording yourself and comparing it to a youtube video. Then you can start doing compounds at the gym with light weight or just the barbell, post a video of your form here so someone can check it, then start adding weight or correcting the form...

[watwut]

I'm sure you have so much more experience training people than Mark Rippetoe. Oh, you don't? Well then, bodypart splits must be better.

Mark Rippetoe is a strength coach.

[PattyOLantern]

Mark Rippetoe is a strength coach.

Wow, you are capable of posting things that are factual.


But I honestly have no idea why you felt the need to state the obvious.

[Mullahz218]

Starting Strength ignores quite a bit of muscles. Biceps, calves, rear delts, side delts, most of your upper back.

I would probably get on a routine more geared towards size, such as All Pros beginner routine, Lyle Mcdonalds Bulking routine.. or just a basic 3/4/5 day split where 1-2 muscles are worked each day.

lolwut. doing rows + chinups solves most of that, and those are pretty much a requirement in the routine as I doubt OP is gonna take the time to learn cleans.

[watwut]

lolwut. doing rows + chinups solves most of that, and those are pretty much a requirement in the routine as I doubt OP is gonna take the time to learn cleans.

Starting Strength doesn't have rows or chin ups. I'm talking about vanilla SS BTW.

Nothing wrong with other versions of it though.

[odangdude]

People have gotten huge doing splits
People have gotten huge doing FB

The way I see it is, if you put the hard work into it, you're going to see the results. This has been debated for a very long time and it seems like there isn't enough evidence that one is better than the other. So until more specific studies are done, it will be very unlikely somebody will win this argument

[jaybutz]

OP, I would do SS but throw in some wide grip pullups and dips

[watwut]

People have gotten huge doing splits
People have gotten huge doing FB

The way I see it is, if you put the hard work into it, you're going to see the results. This has been debated for a very long time and it seems like there isn't enough evidence that one is better than the other. So until more specific studies are done, it will be very unlikely somebody will win this argument

My place, 15 minutes.

But nah, seriously.. agree with you 100%. Either way you cut it, the only way you're going to get results is if you put hard work in. There's no easy way out.

[EricKanevskiy]

If you're training for size, I would not do Starting Strength.