Arnold's opinion on H.I.T.? '' IT IS OLD FASHIONED ! ''

[ARNIE1947]

Arnold's opinion on HIT? ; IS H.I.T. REALLY OLD FASHIONED ?

From chapter 5.
Arnold's encyclopedia of b.b.
Page 171 -172

'' there are training systems that claim you can make great progress by training with only a few sets per bodypart;actually this idea is not new; taht was the way bodybuilders trained in the early days...

...... To realize how lacking in quality ....will be the physiques of those modern bodybuilders who are seduced into following an old-fashioned theory of training masquerading under the guise of a new, ''scientific '' approach to bodybuilding .''
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was Arnold Schwarzenegger , refering to h.i.t. ?

IS H.I.T. Really old fashioned as arnold says ..?

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I CAME ACROSS THIS ARTICLE BY JOE WEIDER IN

Muscle Builder, Vol 4, Num 3, Page 27, April 1955

RECENT ADVANCES IN THE TECHNIQUE OF PROGRESSIVE RESISTEANCE EXERCISES
Taken from Journal of the British Medical Association, November 20, 1954
BY DOCTOR I. J. MacQUEEN, M.B., B.S.
Department of Anatomy, Sheffield University

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[sean061788]

I believe it was the Mentzer Brothers that really used it.. ( imagine Arnie and a Mentzer not getting along )

Its built on the theory of animals almost..

A Gorilla is very muscular.. but doesnt work out for hours on end.. it goes all out for a very short time.

^^^ I know theres more to it.. but that sums it up in a sentence.

[FLEX_09]

I believe it was the Mentzer Brothers that really used it.. ( imagine Arnie and a Mentzer not getting along )

Its built on the theory of animals almost..

A Gorilla is very muscular.. but doesnt work out for hours on end.. it goes all out for a very short time.

^^^ I know theres more to it.. but that sums it up in a sentence.

A gorilla is very muscular because thats the genetical make up of a gorilla. Not because he "goes out for a very short time and works out in the nearby forrest gym".

[sean061788]

A gorilla is very muscular because thats the genetical make up of a gorilla. Not because he "goes out for a very short time and works out in the nearby forrest gym".

no sht.. really.. im saying thats what its based on.. High intensity for a very short period of time.. or a lower one for longer..

When a gorilla or any animal really attacks it uses a tremendous amount of intensity, Where almost every muscle in the body is exerting full force.. and doesnt do that much the rest of the time.. its just taking that theory and applying it to humans.

does 3 sets of bicep curls = a whole bicep routine is what the theory is based on

I have tried it.. and it wasnt for me.. I enjoy the more traditional way of training

[Contract Killer]

Mike Mentzer built his body using volume and adequate numbers of reps just like every other bodybuilder. HIT was created in later years by Arthur Jones to sell Nautilus equipment. Casey Viator and Mike Mentzer just so happened to be willing figureheads for the cause. Arnold would have been the face of HIT too if Arthur Jones were able to $match$ what Joe Weider was forking over.

[Uz]

no sht.. really.. im saying thats what its based on.. High intensity for a very short period of time.. or a lower one for longer..

When a gorilla or any animal really attacks it uses a tremendous amount of intensity, Where almost every muscle in the body is exerting full force.. and doesnt do that much the rest of the time.. its just taking that theory and applying it to humans.

does 3 sets of bicep curls = a whole bicep routine is what the theory is based on

I have tried it.. and it wasnt for me.. I enjoy the more traditional way of training

[xStevenx]

I personally love HIT style training. I trained "conventional" training before. When I moved over to HIT Style, the gains were awesome.

To each their own, but HIT is it for me.

[BartPimpson]

I think you could get a good physique from either school of bodybuilding.

People get hung up on their supersets and trisets and fancy turbulence training techniques, but frankly, gaining muscle is a very straightforward affair. So long as you're overloading each muscle group and giving them enough protein to rebuild, it's hard to go wrong.

High intensity can be good because the workouts are over quickly. High volume can be good because it's hard to injure yourself. I think you could get equal gains using either. Certainly world-class bodies have been produced from both schools of thought.

[HydroShake]

marathon runners = weak, frail looking, sometimes even skinny fat
sprinters = beastly, muscular, huge quads/hams, very low body fat

just observations.

[Supercows]

this

[Pete3]

A Gorilla is very muscular.. but doesnt work out for hours on end..

news flash: humans are not ****ing gorillas

strong logic


whales are fat and they live in the water, water makes you fat

snakes have scales and eat a lot of meat, eating meat gives you scales

[mark118]

from Zombieland: in nature, you dont see lions warm up before hunting down a zebra, so we can learn from this neither should we

[Amra]

It's just lip service...

[sean061788]

news flash: humans are not ****ing gorillas

strong logic


whales are fat and they live in the water, water makes you fat

snakes have scales and eat a lot of meat, eating meat gives you scales

are you retarded.. its based on the theory. that short intensive intervals are just as/more effective as the more traditional approach.. The Gorilla and animal aspect of it is just to put in contrast.. your entire post is completely irrelevant to the subject.

[robwein83]

A gorilla is very muscular because thats the genetical make up of a gorilla. Not because he "goes out for a very short time and works out in the nearby forrest gym".

one of the best posts ever. I lol'ed.

[xplicid01]

I personally dont like H.I.T. for a few reasons:




1) For me, its hard to maintain symmetry with H.I.T. especially triceps and pecs

2) Its hard to keep good proportions. My biceps start to over power my tris, my shoulder start to over power my chest.

3) The risk of injury. U blow out a shoulder, your fuked..HARD. my knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows and spine are to important to mess up.

4) H.I.T. (for me) builds more blocky type of muscle. A lot of lifting for me is mentally feeling an making the muscle get a full contraction.

5) I really like emphasizing a full range of motion at a quick pace. With H.I.T. my form slightly goes and you compromise hitting a full Range of motion.

Each person has to find out what works for them. That being said, If you want results u have to train heavy. I personally think H.I.T. takes it a bit to far. its like what arnold said, bbers are sculptors trying to shape their physique. A more classical style of training gives me the ability to mold my body the WAY i want it, not the way my muscles want.





cliffs:
-lose to much control with H.I.T.
-chance of serious injury is to high

[MuscleManxx]

I personally dont like H.I.T. for a few reasons:




1) For me, its hard to maintain symmetry with H.I.T. especially triceps and pecs

2) Its hard to keep good proportions. My biceps start to over power my tris, my shoulder start to over power my chest.

3) The risk of injury. U blow out a shoulder, your fuked..HARD. my knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows and spine are to important to mess up.

4) H.I.T. (for me) builds more blocky type of muscle. A lot of lifting for me is mentally feeling an making the muscle get a full contraction.

5) I really like emphasizing a full range of motion at a quick pace. With H.I.T. my form slightly goes and you compromise hitting a full Range of motion.

Each person has to find out what works for them. That being said, If you want results u have to train heavy. I personally think H.I.T. takes it a bit to far. its like what arnold said, bbers are sculptors trying to shape their physique. A more classical style of training gives me the ability to mold my body the WAY i want it, not the way my muscles want.





cliffs:
-lose to much control with H.I.T.
-chance of serious injury is to high

i dont think i have ever read so much bro science in one post ever

[JohnBrowne]

I personally dont like H.I.T. for a few reasons:




1) For me, its hard to maintain symmetry with H.I.T. especially triceps and pecs

2) Its hard to keep good proportions. My biceps start to over power my tris, my shoulder start to over power my chest.

3) The risk of injury. U blow out a shoulder, your fuked..HARD. my knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows and spine are to important to mess up.

4) H.I.T. (for me) builds more blocky type of muscle. A lot of lifting for me is mentally feeling an making the muscle get a full contraction.

5) I really like emphasizing a full range of motion at a quick pace. With H.I.T. my form slightly goes and you compromise hitting a full Range of motion.

Each person has to find out what works for them. That being said, If you want results u have to train heavy. I personally think H.I.T. takes it a bit to far. its like what arnold said, bbers are sculptors trying to shape their physique. A more classical style of training gives me the ability to mold my body the WAY i want it, not the way my muscles want.





cliffs:
-lose to much control with H.I.T.
-chance of serious injury is to high

[ChrisSierra]

doesnt matter what you do just how you do it.

if you don't train consistent/intense you won't get the most out of it

if you aren't progressively getting stronger over the months/years you aren't growing.

that simple.

[weltweitefurcht]

Ya as others have said, I don't think it really matters how it is done, just do it.

Stimulate the muscle fibers, then intake the proper calories to grow, or diet or whatever your goal is.

You can stimulate muscle fibers to grow with a few sets, and can stimulate with a lot of sets. Everyone recovers at different rates. People do make things complicated in a quest for what is "most efficient" but then they ultimately keep switching things up, and don't get the results they want because they may be thinking too much about details that don't matter.

I have personally given lots of time to Doggcrap type short training, and long high volume training, and both worked very well for me, given I was intaking 5k to 6k calories per day when trying to grow.

[Delirium1337]

marathon runners = weak, frail looking, sometimes even skinny fat
sprinters = beastly, muscular, huge quads/hams, very low body fat

just observations.

different goal,genetics, drugs, training style..

[DOUBLE_HELIX]

I personally dont like H.I.T. for a few reasons:




1) For me, its hard to maintain symmetry with H.I.T. especially triceps and pecs

2) Its hard to keep good proportions. My biceps start to over power my tris, my shoulder start to over power my chest.

3) The risk of injury. U blow out a shoulder, your fuked..HARD. my knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows and spine are to important to mess up.

4) H.I.T. (for me) builds more blocky type of muscle. A lot of lifting for me is mentally feeling an making the muscle get a full contraction.

5) I really like emphasizing a full range of motion at a quick pace. With H.I.T. my form slightly goes and you compromise hitting a full Range of motion.

Each person has to find out what works for them. That being said, If you want results u have to train heavy. I personally think H.I.T. takes it a bit to far. its like what arnold said, bbers are sculptors trying to shape their physique. A more classical style of training gives me the ability to mold my body the WAY i want it, not the way my muscles want.





cliffs:
-lose to much control with H.I.T.
-chance of serious injury is to high

LMAO, the point of H.I.T is control, heavy weights + impeccable form = Big gains

[kwickez]

i personally dont like h.i.t. For a few reasons:




1) for me, its hard to maintain symmetry with h.i.t. Especially triceps and pecs

2) its hard to keep good proportions. My biceps start to over power my tris, my shoulder start to over power my chest.

3) the risk of injury. U blow out a shoulder, your fuked..hard. My knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows and spine are to important to mess up.

4) h.i.t. (for me) builds more blocky type of muscle. A lot of lifting for me is mentally feeling an making the muscle get a full contraction.

5) i really like emphasizing a full range of motion at a quick pace. With h.i.t. My form slightly goes and you compromise hitting a full range of motion.

Each person has to find out what works for them. That being said, if you want results u have to train heavy. I personally think h.i.t. Takes it a bit to far. Its like what arnold said, bbers are sculptors trying to shape their physique. A more classical style of training gives me the ability to mold my body the way i want it, not the way my muscles want.





Cliffs:
-lose to much control with h.i.t.
-chance of serious injury is to high

how do you figure?form is more important in this style of training because you dont have tons of sets to make up your piss poor form.
1)how does symmetry come into play?if your bis overpower your tris you just need to focus on tris rather than your bis,as you would in any type of training.flex lewis and many others stopped working their strong parts (his legs)for a year to focus on weak points.and he does traditional style.or if

2)your shoulders are growing more than your chest your probable benching with wrong form.more people injure their shoulder doing a chest exercise than shoulder exercises it seems

3)why would you blow anything out?

4)hit makes you blocky?ruhl is a high vol. Traditional lifter.point made

5)always lift with a full rom no matter what style of training.and you like a quick pace...thats one of the points of hit short and intense

all in all you shouldnt make a thread about something you think you know about.this post seems harsh but you started it

[masssmonster]

Arnold's opinion on HIT? ; IS H.I.T. REALLY OLD FASHIONED ?

From chapter 5.
Arnold's encyclopedia of b.b.
Page 171 -172

'' there are training systems that claim you can make great progress by training with only a few sets per bodypart;actually this idea is not new; taht was the way bodybuilders trained in the early days...

...... To realize how lacking in quality ....will be the physiques of those modern bodybuilders who are seduced into following an old-fashioned theory of training masquerading under the guise of a new, ''scientific '' approach to bodybuilding .''
------------------------------------------

was Arnold Schwarzenegger , refering to h.i.t. ?

IS H.I.T. Really old fashioned as arnold says ..?

------------------------------------------
I CAME ACROSS THIS ARTICLE BY JOE WEIDER IN

Muscle Builder, Vol 4, Num 3, Page 27, April 1955

RECENT ADVANCES IN THE TECHNIQUE OF PROGRESSIVE RESISTEANCE EXERCISES
Taken from Journal of the British Medical Association, November 20, 1954
BY DOCTOR I. J. MacQUEEN, M.B., B.S.
Department of Anatomy, Sheffield University

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broseph, what do you want to achieve with this post?

[asto_86]

I train with High volume for 8 weeks then follow up with 2 weeks of HIT. Over the 8 weeks the body becomes overtrained and thee 2 weeks that it rests with one workout a week is when it grows. After 2 weeks of HIT though it's time to stimulate new growth with high volume and repeat the cycle again. I dont think one style is better than another as I believe they should both coexist in a 10 week cycle (for me anyways).

[AnabolicMeyer]

DY Training > HIT/everything else.

[flangmasterj]

I believe it was the Mentzer Brothers that really used it.. ( imagine Arnie and a Mentzer not getting along )

Its built on the theory of animals almost..

A Gorilla is very muscular.. but doesnt work out for hours on end.. it goes all out for a very short time.

^^^ I know theres more to it.. but that sums it up in a sentence.

A gorilla is very muscular because thats the genetical make up of a gorilla. Not because he "goes out for a very short time and works out in the nearby forrest gym".

news flash: humans are not ****ing gorillas

strong logic


whales are fat and they live in the water, water makes you fat

snakes have scales and eat a lot of meat, eating meat gives you scales

Hahahahahaha!

A horse is very muscular too. Is that because of all of HIT sets of squats and dips it does?

Funniest **** I've read in ages!

[BartPimpson]

3) The risk of injury. U blow out a shoulder, your fuked..HARD. my knees, ankles, shoulders, elbows and spine are to important to mess up.

Yeah, particularly the variants HIT where you do a single set to failure. Going to failure can be dangerous as hell when using heavy weights.

[xplicid01]

i dont think i have ever read so much bro science in one post ever

Its not bro science u rtard its my personal experience. All of what I said has been prove for me. Notice how i said multiple times "in my case".

how do you figure?form is more important in this style of training because you dont have tons of sets to make up your piss poor form.

1)how does symmetry come into play?if your bis overpower your tris you just need to focus on tris rather than your bis,as you would in any type of training.flex lewis and many others stopped working their strong parts (his legs)for a year to focus on weak points.and he does traditional style.or if

2)your shoulders are growing more than your chest your probable benching with wrong form.more people injure their shoulder doing a chest exercise than shoulder exercises it seems

3)why would you blow anything out?

4)hit makes you blocky?ruhl is a high vol. Traditional lifter.point made

5)always lift with a full rom no matter what style of training.and you like a quick pace...thats one of the points of hit short and intense

all in all you shouldnt make a thread about something you think you know about.this post seems harsh but you started it

1. Firstly, I said symmetry not proportions. Its the simple fact that my left pec grows more easily then my right and my right tri grows more easily than my left when i do HRT.

2. Its not improper form, its the fact my chest is my slowest growing bodypart.

3. Cause ur lifting almost beyond ur bodys potential.

4. Point not fuking made. I SAID FOR ME. and its not that it makes me block as much as I neglect building parts of the muscle that are lacking. with HRT the high part of my bicep grows and id prefer to hit the lower part of the bicep insertion. Things like that.

5. I see people train with HRT that sacrifice form. Maybe not you guys, but go to ne gym and i see half reps with wieght people cant really do all the time.




I dont really care how ne one trains, but thats my personal experience with that style of training. People always take such offence when this subject gets brought up. its like talking politics or religion.

[xpin2winx]

unless people here were trained by mentzer or reindhart, i really doubt u did HIT correctly. How do u kno exactly how to do it. How do u know u pushed hard enough and how do u know which exercises u used were right? really u took a basic idea of hit and made it your own just to say it didnt work