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    Originally Posted by Incubusfan18 View Post
    Absolutely! Although that pizza I made today really hit the spot. Do you just cut up potatoes, season them, and bake them?
    Yessir! I used garlic, oregano, basil, salt and cayenne
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    been lurking...do you have set macros or no?
    I do. I'm currently running 80/465/200
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    Originally Posted by Bnizzle163 View Post
    Yessir! I used garlic, oregano, basil, salt and cayenne
    I do. I'm currently running 80/465/200
    Have you ever tried higher fats and lower carbs in the offseason? I've heard IFBB pros praise diets high in saturated fats for optimal growth but it's hard to tell what's broscience and what's not sometimes.
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    Originally Posted by Incubusfan18 View Post
    Have you ever tried higher fats and lower carbs in the offseason? I've heard IFBB pros praise diets high in saturated fats for optimal growth but it's hard to tell what's broscience and what's not sometimes.
    IFBB pro's are in a different category. They also use something more than "proper" nutrition that aids them in optimal growth .

    I've tried higher fats, but seem to perform better with higher carbs and moderate fats. During prep, the fellas at 3dmj figured out that my body burns through carbs like nobody's business lol. Plus I like to eat lots of cereal and pop tarts
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    Originally Posted by Bnizzle163 View Post
    IFBB pro's are in a different category. They also use something more than "proper" nutrition that aids them in optimal growth .

    I've tried higher fats, but seem to perform better with higher carbs and moderate fats. During prep, the fellas at 3dmj figured out that my body burns through carbs like nobody's business lol. Plus I like to eat lots of cereal and pop tarts
    Haha of course, I know they are, it's just a difficult concept to grasp because so many of us who love bodybuilding watch their training videos for motivation, etc. But in the end, what works for them (training, nutrition) isn't what is gonna work for us natural guys.

    Haha definitely a carboholic, I'm the same way. I still have 8 weeks to go but I can't help thinking of different ways to train/diet after the show.

    Btw, have you ever tried a traditional bodybuilding style split? If so, what kind of results did you get compared to the "strength geared" training you are doing now?
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    ^ Agreed. My body burns through carbs like it's no one's business but fats? I have to stay on low fats haha 50g FML I am jelly of your 80!
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    Originally Posted by Incubusfan18 View Post
    Haha of course, I know they are, it's just a difficult concept to grasp because so many of us who love bodybuilding watch their training videos for motivation, etc. But in the end, what works for them (training, nutrition) isn't what is gonna work for us natural guys.

    Haha definitely a carboholic, I'm the same way. I still have 8 weeks to go but I can't help thinking of different ways to train/diet after the show.

    Btw, have you ever tried a traditional bodybuilding style split? If so, what kind of results did you get compared to the "strength geared" training you are doing now?
    This is actually only my 2nd time on a true strength geared program. I used to always train like a bodybuilder, and for a long time I used a hybrid of fat. Other than giving Sheiko a go, this is the only other time I've truly trained for pure strength. I honestly think a combination of both, with emphasis on getting stronger will net natural guys the best results.

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    ^ Agreed. My body burns through carbs like it's no one's business but fats? I have to stay on low fats haha 50g FML I am jelly of your 80!
    Carbs are great, but getting in a ton of carbs on low fats can be challenging
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    Originally Posted by Bnizzle163 View Post
    This is actually only my 2nd time on a true strength geared program. I used to always train like a bodybuilder, and for a long time I used a hybrid of fat. Other than giving Sheiko a go, this is the only other time I've truly trained for pure strength. I honestly think a combination of both, with emphasis on getting stronger will net natural guys the best results.

    Carbs are great, but getting in a ton of carbs on low fats can be challenging
    Yeah I have always trained like a bodybuilder up until doing starting PHAT during my prep. I'm contemplating going back to a bodybuilding split because I feel like when I'm low on energy, the longer workouts take a toll on me (i.e. workout starts out good, but as it progresses I start to actually lose pump not increase it) and therefore some bodyparts are getting the short end of the stick. Ever feel like this?

    Definitely! Hitting 390 CHO with fats at 35g on refeeds can be tough!
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    Originally Posted by Incubusfan18 View Post
    Yeah I have always trained like a bodybuilder up until doing starting PHAT during my prep. I'm contemplating going back to a bodybuilding split because I feel like when I'm low on energy, the longer workouts take a toll on me (i.e. workout starts out good, but as it progresses I start to actually lose pump not increase it) and therefore some bodyparts are getting the short end of the stick. Ever feel like this?

    Definitely! Hitting 390 CHO with fats at 35g on refeeds can be tough!
    The pump is not necessary for growth. Squat, deadlift, press = all you need.
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    Originally Posted by Bnizzle163 View Post
    The pump is not necessary for growth. Squat, deadlift, press = all you need.
    I know strength progression is the only way a natty is gonna progress, but isn't the "pump" work for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy part of the equation as well? After all, three out of five days a week I'm doing "pump" work on the hyper days and I can't imagine that I'm wasting my time .
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    Originally Posted by Incubusfan18 View Post
    I know strength progression is the only way a natty is gonna progress, but isn't the "pump" work for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy part of the equation as well? After all, three out of five days a week I'm doing "pump" work on the hyper days and I can't imagine that I'm wasting my time .
    No, nothing wrong with it my man! I think every form of training has it's place. I just feel that getting stronger is something that most newer trainees tend to overlook, myself included. That's why I'm just now getting on pure strength programs
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    Those brownies and cake are just plain awesome!

    Love how you make a whole stash and serve whenever you want a good treat to fill dem macros.
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    Originally Posted by andyboi View Post
    Those brownies and cake are just plain awesome!

    Love how you make a whole stash and serve whenever you want a good treat to fill dem macros.
    Agreed, I just sorta eat as I go. But, once those low carb pitas come in...time to make tons of pizzas and stock up for the week!
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    No, nothing wrong with it my man! I think every form of training has it's place. I just feel that getting stronger is something that most newer trainees tend to overlook, myself included. That's why I'm just now getting on pure strength programs
    Agreed here....I think you are really best served by mixing things up a bit. IMOP, training for strength is good purely for the fact that it eventually allows you to train heavier in the higher rep ranges. Otherwise, its a lot of beating and toll on your body for bodybuilding purposes.

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    Originally Posted by ilove2run View Post
    quick Q regarding the pita's you use. Guessing their the trader joe's brand? You use the small pitas or the regular size pitas? Along with the wheat ones or white ones?

    Heh thanks
    I actually got those from the bakery section of my local grocery. They're not too big. Macros were : 0.5/31/5
    Originally Posted by AustrianOakJr View Post
    Agreed here....I think you are really best served by mixing things up a bit. IMOP, training for strength is good purely for the fact that it eventually allows you to train heavier in the higher rep ranges. Otherwise, its a lot of beating and toll on your body for bodybuilding purposes.



    Me too. Major inspiration when I stop in here. I just have to stop coming in here when I am in the dog days of prep....I go out ma' mind!
    Totally agree!

    There are two types of people who visit my thread : The ones who avoid it like the plague as they get deeper into prep, and then the people who are like me... the ones who look at more and more food pron as prep goes on. Why do I torture myself so?

    Originally Posted by CHRIS925 View Post
    These meals!!!!!!! W.T.F.

    Billy when I marry you... I want to come home to you in an apron ONLY. Dinner served and a sensual massage to follow
    Only if I get to wear the apron backwards!

    Originally Posted by snrygo View Post
    bustin out the burritos again i see! i love those!!!!!!one!!uno!!!11111


    i think i have some tortillas in my freezer
    Burritos ftw!!!

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    I'm drooling... out of my penor. wut

    Originally Posted by andyboi View Post
    Those brownies and cake are just plain awesome!

    Love how you make a whole stash and serve whenever you want a good treat to fill dem macros.
    Offseason I freestyle my stuff as the day goes on. So much easier that way IMO
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    I come here for food ideas. You da man!
    Glad I could help get the creative juices flowing

    Originally Posted by Incubusfan18 View Post
    Agreed, I just sorta eat as I go. But, once those low carb pitas come in...time to make tons of pizzas and stock up for the week!
    I could never do that when I was deep into prep. I commend you, good sir! I would figure out my fitday the day prior, that way I would have a huge meal pre bed. Starting during the day and going to bed full is where it's at! lol
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    Originally Posted by Bnizzle163 View Post
    and then the people who are like me... the ones who look at more and more food pron as prep goes on.
    ...and that'd be me
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    2-6-12 - 5/3/1 round 2, week 2, Military Press

    morning weight : 169.8 - there we go!

    standing military
    60x5
    75x5
    90x3
    105x3
    120x3
    130x8 - since I rarely EVER do these, that's a PR I believe!
    75x10 - 60-90 second rests, working on bar speed
    85x10
    75x10
    75x10
    75x10

    chins
    bwx10 - believe it or not, that's a pr lol
    bwx7
    bwx5
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    misc.
    Felt great today. Strength is progressing nicely and the scale is moving in the right direction. I also FINALLY got past this part in FFVI that was giving me trouble. I beat it three times but once my system froze, the other time I ran out of time RIGHT at the end, and the other time I only beat the first boss lol. Got past it and it helped fuel my workout lol. Got to talk to my guidance counselor today and head off to work! When I get home, I should have for time for FF... nerding out ftw!
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    Originally Posted by Bnizzle163 View Post
    2-6-12 - 5/3/1 round 2, week 2, Military Press

    morning weight : 169.8 - there we go!

    standing military
    60x5
    75x5
    90x3
    105x3
    120x3
    130x8 - since I rarely EVER do these, that's a PR I believe!
    75x10 - 60-90 second rests, working on bar speed
    85x10
    75x10
    75x10
    75x10

    chins
    bwx10 - believe it or not, that's a pr lol
    bwx7
    bwx5
    bwx5
    bwx5

    misc.
    Felt great today. Strength is progressing nicely and the scale is moving in the right direction. I also FINALLY got past this part in FFVI that was giving me trouble. I beat it three times but once my system froze, the other time I ran out of time RIGHT at the end, and the other time I only beat the first boss lol. Got past it and it helped fuel my workout lol. Got to talk to my guidance counselor today and head off to work! When I get home, I should have for time for FF... nerding out ftw!
    heck yeah man awesome PR's. i used to never do overhead press either, but i've been doing them recently and progress has been relatively quick. i used to REALLY suck at pullups/chinups since i used to be a fat kid, but i've really worked on them and they've gotten much better
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    When you say chins, do you mean underhand? Regardless, congrats on the PR!
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    heck yeah man awesome PR's.
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    Originally Posted by DTrulez616 View Post
    Let me guess, Floating Continent?
    HAHAHA you nailed it! That was a beotch and a half!

    Originally Posted by wrkoutfrq View Post
    heck yeah man awesome PR's. i used to never do overhead press either, but i've been doing them recently and progress has been relatively quick. i used to REALLY suck at pullups/chinups since i used to be a fat kid, but i've really worked on them and they've gotten much better
    Thanks, Patrick! Definitely loving the 5/3/1. My chins aren't that great because I am a form nazi on them. No swing at all, full extension, stretch and squeeze

    Originally Posted by Incubusfan18 View Post
    When you say chins, do you mean underhand? Regardless, congrats on the PR!
    That's correct. I'm horrible at pull ups. Used to be able to get 8 wide grip pull ups with 45lbs strapped to me... oh the good old days when I was chunky and strong like bull!

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    ^ This!
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    oh the joys of 5/3/1...just got through my 1st week and lovin it so far! now time to dominate week 2 like you are!

    oh and great job on the PR's!!
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    That's some good weight you're moving on those SOHP's! Would be close to overheadpressing bw for a 1rm yeah? That's a long term goal of mine. I much prefer SOHP to bench press though.

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    Originally Posted by SiSu247 View Post
    oh the joys of 5/3/1...just got through my 1st week and lovin it so far! now time to dominate week 2 like you are!

    oh and great job on the PR's!!
    So far, so good! Are you doing the boring but big version? I just started that this time around and actually like it more than the bodybuilder template.

    Originally Posted by jzpowahz View Post
    That's some good weight you're moving on those SOHP's! Would be close to overheadpressing bw for a 1rm yeah? That's a long term goal of mine. I much prefer SOHP to bench press though.

    You mean you don't do kipping chins?
    I woke up today just shy of 170, so I don't think I could OHP that . Maybe after a few more weeks of 5/3/1

    I've seen a lot of people doing kipping chins at the gym... If I'm going for that many reps, I'll just use the pull up assist machine lol
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