Hey all,
So I've developed lactose intolerance and can't use whey protein anymore. Thus I have had to start using soy protein. I know soy has estrogen in it which is bad for men, but I was just told that it causes fat to stay on the body and diminishes muscle mass. Obviously I can't go back to using whey protein so I was wondering if there was such a thing as an estrogen blocker that I could take so that I may continue to use soy protein without having to worry about the negative side effects? What do you recommend?
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Thread: Soy Protein and Estrogen Blocker
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06-10-2012, 11:45 AM #1
Soy Protein and Estrogen Blocker
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06-10-2012, 11:47 AM #2
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06-10-2012, 11:49 AM #3
Those are all myths. While soy resembles an estrogen, it has been studied as a primary protein source and has not been shown to change hormone levels in men. Use it as you please. It is going to be MUCH cheaper than typical wheys, but since mainstream companies don't tend to make it, no guarantees on taste. A whey isolate also doesn't contain lactose, FYI, but is very expensive.
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06-10-2012, 11:59 AM #4
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06-10-2012, 01:01 PM #5
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06-10-2012, 03:22 PM #6
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06-10-2012, 03:43 PM #7
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06-10-2012, 03:44 PM #8
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06-10-2012, 03:53 PM #13
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You sure? http://focusology.com/lactose-intole...rotein-powder/
Maybe it's actually a casein allergy that's affecting these people and they are using blends...? The symptoms are pretty much the same as lactose intolerence.
EDIT: Ah, Whey Concentrate has higher lactose than isolate
OP: Use Isolate, there's not enough lactose in it to affect you according to the Whey Protein Institute.IsraeliKrav.com
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06-10-2012, 04:06 PM #14
Rice protein(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22330327) or whey protein isolate like others have said. Males should disregard dat der soy protein
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06-10-2012, 04:20 PM #15
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06-10-2012, 05:45 PM #16
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06-10-2012, 05:52 PM #17
I'm going to go ahead and still recommend soy. The estrogen properties are overstated and possibly non-existent, amino profile is okay, and it's going to be half the price of WPI. Rice protein would be okay too (unless you're Gaspari, apparently) but is much harder to find. Pea protein tastes like ass.
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06-10-2012, 06:05 PM #18
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06-10-2012, 06:15 PM #19
For the unawares in regards to soy: yes phytoestrogens are no bueno for guys, you should avoid them.
http://www.biolreprod.org/content/ea...rod.112.099846
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20554919
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21624456
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06-10-2012, 07:18 PM #20
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06-10-2012, 07:20 PM #21
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06-10-2012, 07:28 PM #22
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06-10-2012, 07:34 PM #23
She said that it happens to a bunch of college students because the cafeteria food isn't the highest quality. She said that if I improve my diet (which I did) and start taking a multivitamin then after a few months I should be able to start (slowly) introducing dairy back into my diet. She also said to try lactaid. (As I mentioned above I don't use lactaid anymore because of negative side effects). It's been a little over a month since I've been home from school and haven't had cafeteria food once, yet I still get a lot of intestinal pain and sickness when I consume dairy.
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06-10-2012, 07:41 PM #24
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06-10-2012, 07:43 PM #25
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06-10-2012, 07:44 PM #26
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06-10-2012, 07:47 PM #27
Well Genomyx has a product called Gut Health but you really can't go too wrong when chosing a probiotic. I believe SAN has one as well which is also packed with colonizing units. I'll let others chime in with their opinions as I've only used my own company's product but I do enjoy it as does my family lol.
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06-10-2012, 07:54 PM #28
These suggest avoidance in newborns and are performed on rats
This is a case study (n=1) on a type 1 diabetic.
There is a fair amount of info out there that shows no support for soy protein feminizing men or affecting men, but if nothing else, common sense should prevail. There are entire cultures that have soy-based diets that do not seem to be ridden with men w/ breasts or anything like that. There is evidence that isoflavones can have anti-estrogenic activity as well. This is not to mention the fact that many of the SPI's on the market (almost all of them are SPI, not SPC) do not contain isoflavones.
http://topsecretnutrition.net/soypro...a-analysis.pdf
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/138/6/1244S.full.pdf
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocente...micals/soyiso/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA31221...-Baby-Boy.htmlHowever beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results - Dr. John Berardi
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06-10-2012, 08:01 PM #29
OP one reason you may like SAN Cultivate over other products is because it is not just a probiotic, as it also contains digestive enzymes that may help you as well. You can buy it here on bb.com:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/san/cultivate.html
I'm with you on shoddy cafeteria food, and that led me to start supplementing with a greens supplement. These are great in that they offer digestive benefits in addition to their overall health and immune effects as well. Another great thing about SAN Green Supreme Fusion is that it doesn't taste like ****! Definitely near (or at) the top of its class taste-wise, which does matter when it comes to getting you to actually drink the stuff.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sa...me-fusion.html
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06-10-2012, 08:10 PM #30
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