D4000's Bulk in 2010

**DanTheManB** · 03-18-2010, 02:51 PM

and just eat "normal" IE a hamburger. No reason to make up insane concoctions. counterproductive man

**determined4000** · 03-18-2010, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by DanTheManB

and just eat "normal" IE a hamburger. No reason to make up insane concoctions. counterproductive man

ok, sounds good
Ill make a chili burger tonight

**DanTheManB** · 03-18-2010, 05:47 PM

the biggest thing is to just relax about life and training. I KNOW how to do it but I let it get away from me a lot as well.

Food is good. More energy=more productive and FUN workouts. Who wants to workout having your tank at most half full?

What are your overall goals regarding training ?

**determined4000** · 03-18-2010, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by DanTheManB

the biggest thing is to just relax about life and training. I KNOW how to do it but I let it get away from me a lot as well.

Food is good. More energy=more productive and FUN workouts. Who wants to workout having your tank at most half full?

What are your overall goals regarding training ?

To be honest I am not sure exactly my training goals.
I played baseball, basketball, soccer, golf, tennis, downhill skiing, growing up. Also, in HS I got into XC and became extremely good (recruited for college). Obvioulsy I was very thin and at the very beginning of my freshma year I ended up in the hospital and haven't competed since. I kept running, lifting and training, basically spinning my wheels for years with no progress due to lack of nutrition. Overall the last few months I have made some big changes and feel great. My lifts are up and easier and I have cut back on the outrageous amount of cardio I have been doing.
I guess my immediate goal is to gain strength/weight because I need to build up my muscle base substantially before doing anything else. However, I have always dreamed of doing some sort of triathlon or something, but that will have to take a back seat to weight gain and muscle building right now. I have always been very small (5'2") due to genetics and am always going to be smaller than most guys but I feel like I shouldn;t have to be so much weaker than they are. I am not ever going to want some bodybuilding physique but just build up a strong athletic body.
Sorry for the long answer. I appreciate your help/ input.

**The Solution** · 03-18-2010, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by DanTheManB

Hey bro---lil advice for you

On an OFF day....TAKE IT OFF!!!!! No abs, no "light biking" NOTHINNGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go see a movie! Read! Do daily activities but no focused workouts! Dammit.

And you can't fool me btw...those pics are extreme close ups of VERY SMALL portions....do yourself a favor and stay honest with yourself. I want to see you pull out of this

Originally Posted by DanTheManB

eat less broccoli. i know that trick too..if you cant eat A POUND of freakin broccoli you would be better served to eat more eggs...or more PITA or 2 scoops casein...get it?

Originally Posted by DanTheManB

and just eat "normal" IE a hamburger. No reason to make up insane concoctions. counterproductive man

QFT on everything above. Could not be said better. Your body cannot grow if you do NOT give it rest. The body grows out of the gym, not while you run and do cardio + lift all the time. Since moving from 1 to 3 off days. I have seen the best results of my life and have been eating more than ever.

**DanTheManB** · 03-18-2010, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by determined4000

To be honest I am not sure exactly my training goals.
I played baseball, basketball, soccer, golf, tennis, downhill skiing, growing up. Also, in HS I got into XC and became extremely good (recruited for college). Obvioulsy I was very thin and at the very beginning of my freshma year I ended up in the hospital and haven't competed since. I kept running, lifting and training, basically spinning my wheels for years with no progress due to lack of nutrition. Overall the last few months I have made some big changes and feel great. My lifts are up and easier and I have cut back on the outrageous amount of cardio I have been doing.
I guess my immediate goal is to gain strength/weight because I need to build up my muscle base substantially before doing anything else. However, I have always dreamed of doing some sort of triathlon or something, but that will have to take a back seat to weight gain and muscle building right now. I have always been very small (5'2") due to genetics and am always going to be smaller than most guys but I feel like I shouldn;t have to be so much weaker than they are. I am not ever going to want some bodybuilding physique but just build up a strong athletic body.
Sorry for the long answer. I appreciate your help/ input.

The 5'2" thing is no big deal. whatever. it is what it is. You're dealing with it. Be the best YOU can be with what you're given. As long as you know that you're in good shape already.

Ok So immediate goal is to get overall healthier and stronger. Long term is to compete in a triathlon. Awesome goals.

Take what some of us say to heart. Bob (The solution) and myself have been there done that. Different stories and backrounds but the issue and illness remains the same. We are both aware of the mindsets.

If it's a ten step goal to reach your overall plans you are on step 1. This is your second job. But a fun job! Now RELAX, eat when you need to and rest when you need to (preferably two full days off imo) and when you train get work done but enjoy it and have fun. Dumb things down. Don't weigh everything out. Just eat till full.

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 01:27 PM

Day 11

Chili Burger as promised

Tuna and Mexican Mash (cauliflower, salsa, Promise) Craving spicy today I guess

Today's Baking: Pancakes (white=ginger, brown=cinnamon)

Whey cake

Cottage cheese blended with blueberries

Not pic'd: jar of PB and spoon

Workout: Was planning on hitting a high in calories so I hit it hard in the gym.
3 sets of Deads, bench, incline, military press, rows and curls.

Felt great. Lots of energy. Not trying to "save" myself for more exercise later in the day definitely allows me to lift more. Lifting again today and then taking off tomorrow and GOING TO THE NCAA TOURNEY!

**Scooter4** · 03-19-2010, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by determined4000

Day 11
Not pic'd: jar of PB and spoon

A whole jar of PB?

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Scooter4

A whole jar of PB?

Haha no.
a few spoonfuls

**MJFan1** · 03-19-2010, 02:42 PM

You make a lot of pancakes at once, haha.

**felony9071** · 03-19-2010, 02:58 PM

Omg your pancakes are awesome!!

**mminguela** · 03-19-2010, 03:30 PM

Might be a stupid question but u refer to the pancakes as baking...Your not actually making them in the oven right..LOL..that would be something new..

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by mminguela

Might be a stupid question but u refer to the pancakes as baking...Your not actually making them in the oven right..LOL..that would be something new..

no sorry, I use a flat top griddle (that way I can make 6 at a time rather than using a pan). I guess I just refer to anything I make with flour/baking mix as my "baking" for the day. Everyday I make some sort of bread, pancake, cake, brownies, etc. with some sort of combination of flour, mix, whey, cocoa powder, eggs, added spices/flavorings as a way to make a large batch of one thing to save time and up my intake.

**DanTheManB** · 03-19-2010, 04:42 PM

eat a whole jar for gods sake. the whey cakes look fukin disgusting. cut that out. for real.

have a shake with a scoop of ice cream and 2 scoops whey

**loupenguin** · 03-19-2010, 05:10 PM

When you going to send me those protein brownies... that picture was soo big i could taste it!

That chili burger looked awesome and BTW i love raw onions FTW, everyone thinks im weird and can't be around me, but i love em!

**MJFan1** · 03-19-2010, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by loupenguin

When you going to send me those protein brownies... that picture was soo big i could taste it!

That chili burger looked awesome and BTW i love raw onions FTW, everyone thinks im weird and can't be around me, but i love em!

I love raw onions too. Especially on gyros..

**DanTheManB** · 03-19-2010, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by loupenguin

When you going to send me those protein brownies... that picture was soo big i could taste it!

That chili burger looked awesome and BTW i love raw onions FTW, everyone thinks im weird and can't be around me, but i love em!

all u guys are doing is egging this dude on. @ 5'10 135 you need to be eating REAL food rather than making pseudo food to feed into your ED's

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by loupenguin

BTW i love raw onions FTW, everyone thinks im weird and can't be around me, but i love em!

probably your breath afterwards
lol
The toppings make the burger
To be honest I don't think there is anything fantastic about ground beef, but throw on some beans, peppers, chilis, onions and salsa (hold the ketchup please) and you got yourself some tasty eats.

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by DanTheManB

all u guys are doing is egging this dude on. @ 5'10 135 you need to be eating REAL food rather than making pseudo food to feed into your ED's

sorry if u dont like my food choices
but the stuff I eat helps me really up the calories
I don't do refined sugars because of hypoglycemia, so stuff like ice cream, sugary cereals, etc are out.
Plus, eating stuff I know is healthy enables me mentally to throw down more.

**The Solution** · 03-19-2010, 06:10 PM

If you are hyperglycemic, why not eat a big ass steak and a ton of eggs? Potatoes, Pasta, and Rice things you really lack in your diet or daily eats, and could really fuel you for the amount of cardio + lifting you do. Easy calories, cheaper, and not loaded with a ton of junk you use in your baking.

There is no defined term of Healthy, anything in moderation is fine, the body recognizes a carb as a carb, a fat as a fat, and a protein as a protein (Layne Norton will tell you that face to face) Its how the individual perceives a food in their head.

What in gods name do you put in your pancakes and whey cakes? Those look bizarre, and paper thin... If your going to make pancakes or waffles they should actually rise.... like this:

**loupenguin** · 03-19-2010, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by The Solution

There is no defined term of Healthy, anything in moderation is fine, the body recognizes a carb as a carb, a fat as a fat, and a protein as a protein (Layne Norton will tell you that face to face) Its how the individual perceives a food in their head.

Good Point bob, I would rep, but i have to wait/ can't.

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Solution

If you are hyperglycemic, why not eat a big ass steak and a ton of eggs? Potatoes, Pasta, and Rice things you really lack in your diet or daily eats, and could really fuel you for the amount of cardio + lifting you do. Easy calories, cheaper, and not loaded with a ton of junk you use in your baking.

There is no defined term of Healthy, anything in moderation is fine, the body recognizes a carb as a carb, a fat as a fat, and a protein as a protein (Layne Norton will tell you that face to face) Its how the individual perceives a food in their head.

What in gods name do you put in your pancakes and whey cakes? Those look bizarre, and paper thin... If your going to make pancakes or waffles they should actually rise.... like this:

I do eat eggs and beef (check this thread). I can't do any real starchy carbs (rice, potatoes, etc) and I really mean I CAN NOT. Well, hypothetically I could eat a few small bites but that would be pointles because getting in calories is obviously most important.
I can get away with only small amount of fruit and I can eat beans and pea Not I don't want to, but I can't. Therefore I eat a high protein and high fat diet. Meat, eggs, whey, CC for protein (and trust me I get plenty of protein). PB, nuts, olive oil, and use carbquik, carbalose flour and flax wraps (as bread replacements) for fats.

Yes I acknowledge that I have a phobia about eating "dirty". Mainly because that is how I got started into this whole mess. And obviously as long as I eat adequate calories, everything will take care of itself (it wouldn't matter if I ate 100% clean or not, the issue is eating enough period). I am way up in calories compared to a few months ago, at an alltime high in calories for years and have had the best lifts on my life this week.
And tomorrow I am taking the day OFF.

**The Solution** · 03-19-2010, 06:38 PM

so oats are fine but yet those are starcy carbs, and you had a white bun on your chili burger.. but you ignore potatoes rice and pasta? if you can only eat a few bites yet you take down bowls of oats? That doesnt make sense....

How much sugar free junk do you use in a daily basis, xanathan gum etc etc? like in your whey cakes, pancakes etc?

**Holyspokes** · 03-19-2010, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by determined4000

I do eat eggs and beef (check this thread). I can't do any real starchy carbs (rice, potatoes, etc) and I really mean I CAN NOT. Well, hypothetically I could eat a few small bites but that would be pointles because getting in calories is obviously most important.
I can get away with only small amount of fruit and I can eat beans and pea Not I don't want to, but I can't. Therefore I eat a high protein and high fat diet. Meat, eggs, whey, CC for protein (and trust me I get plenty of protein). PB, nuts, olive oil, and use carbquik, carbalose flour and flax wraps (as bread replacements) for fats.

Yes I acknowledge that I have a phobia about eating "dirty". Mainly because that is how I got started into this whole mess. And obviously as long as I eat adequate calories, everything will take care of itself (it wouldn't matter if I ate 100% clean or not, the issue is eating enough period). I am way up in calories compared to a few months ago, at an alltime high in calories for years and have had the best lifts on my life this week.
And tomorrow I am taking the day OFF.

If your hypoglycemic why don't you stop using that carbquick crap all together and cut down on your fiber intake. How could that possibly help you UP your calories? Just eat more fats.

Also, with hypoglycemia don't you need to try to keep your glucose UP? when it gets low you eat something with carbs to raise it back up?

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Solution

so oats are fine but yet those are starcy carbs, and you had a white bun on your chili burger.. but you ignore potatoes rice and pasta? if you can only eat a few bites yet you take down bowls of oats? That doesnt make sense....

How much sugar free junk do you use in a daily basis, xanathan gum etc etc? like in your whey cakes, pancakes etc?

It says "TVP" oatmeal = soy-based
bun I made myself
i dont use xanthan

Look, I understand you are trying to help. But I am really finding it hard to build on the positive emotions I am feeling based on my progress because you are constantly trying to tear me down. How come you give others encouragement?

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Holyspokes

If your hypoglycemic why don't you stop using that carbquick crap all together and cut down on your fiber intake. How could that possibly help you UP your calories? Just eat more fats.

carbquik has a good amount of fat (1.5cups is 27grams)
Like I said, I also eat a good amount of PB, nuts, use oils, etc.
Fiber helps me digest. I had a huge blockage 3 years ago and must keep fiber intake high.
As far as the macros I am eating, I am sorry I am going to follow the advice of professionals over you.

**DanTheManB** · 03-19-2010, 06:54 PM

I wish you luck my man but you're obviously still to sick to help. If you ever have any questions though please feel free to PM me

**Holyspokes** · 03-19-2010, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by determined4000

carbquik has a good amount of fat (1.5cups is 27grams)
Like I said, I also eat a good amount of PB, nuts, use oils, etc.
Fiber helps me digest. I had a huge blockage 3 years ago and must keep fiber intake high.
As far as the macros I am eating, I am sorry I am going to follow the advice of professionals over you.

I'm just sayin bro.. 33g of fat is nowhere near "a good amount" That's like 2 servings! C'mon man!

Professionals are telling you to eat carbquick instead of more oils/nuts/what have you?

**determined4000** · 03-19-2010, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Holyspokes

I'm just sayin bro.. 33g of fat is nowhere near "a good amount" That's like 2 servings! C'mon man!

Professionals are telling you to eat carbquick instead of more oils/nuts/what have you?

No. I DO EAT NUTS, PEANUT BUTTER ALL THE TIME!!!!!!
But I also would like to enjoy stuff that I normally wouldn't like sandwiches, pancakes, bread ,etc--> carbquik.

**Holyspokes** · 03-19-2010, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by determined4000

No. I DO EAT NUTS, PEANUT BUTTER ALL THE TIME!!!!!!
But I also would like to enjoy stuff that I normally wouldn't like sandwiches, pancakes, bread ,etc--> carbquik.

No need to get frustrated man, If I'm annoying you let me know and I'll stop posting here.. but if the point of the thread is to help you overcome your issues of food, I think it's worth pointing out some things.

I know you eat nuts all the time. The actual amount you are eating is nothing though. 33g of fat a few days ago?

Originally Posted by determined4000

Fat intake should be based on bodyweight (.4-.5g/lb is a safe MINIMUM)

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