Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

**jordansrt** · 09-09-2009, 05:24 AM

The main passage of Scripture we will look at is found in the first chapter of the book of Romans, where Paul writes, "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient (i.e., not fitting; suitable

**-click_here-** · 09-09-2009, 05:56 AM

Since Yahweh took his morals from the people living thousands of years ago i am more moral than God and Jesus so i do not need to accept either as my 'saviour'

**ONtop888** · 09-09-2009, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by -click_here-

Since Yahweh took his morals from the people living thousands of years ago i am more moral than God and Jesus so i do not need to accept either as my 'saviour'

cool story.

**HughGRection22B** · 09-09-2009, 06:08 AM

OP please could you answer my questions that i posted?

**MrSasquatch** · 09-09-2009, 06:11 AM

If you refuse to acknowledge that he historically existed, with or without powers, you're retarded.

**ONtop888** · 09-09-2009, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by HughGRection22B

OP please could you answer my questions that i posted?

not OP, but what question did you post? And how's the weather in S. Africa today?

**ONtop888** · 09-09-2009, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by jordansrt

Its not so much that, the person has already turned from Jesus once or more before he turns them to this so in all rationality it was the persons decision from the get go. He gives every man a chance to accept him which is in scripture but it never says he has to give them more than one chance, this is where grace comes in. also Jesus is very loving and forgiving i believe this person would have it in their heart to just do as they please already but if someone had a broken heart and was realy sorry he would hear them

What up jordan man????????

**Forge3** · 09-09-2009, 08:42 AM

I wonder if God took away all the grace that allows us to what is right in the world would we be raping, pillaging and murdering each other?

**AKR** · 09-09-2009, 08:51 AM

Yes, I have.

But then I told him to GTFO after I realized he wasn't real...and then I realized I was telling an imaginary being to GTFO and felt dumb.

**pikeamus** · 09-09-2009, 08:53 AM

No I haven't. Here is why: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=118963611

**AKR** · 09-09-2009, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Forge3

I wonder if God took away all the grace that allows us to what is right in the world would we be raping, pillaging and murdering each other?

What does that have to do with whether or not we're raping, pillaging, or stealing? And I thought we had free will, so are you saying he's forcing us to not do those things? Well, some of us, at least, because lots of people ARE doing those things. Why would he allow some people to do those things but not all? He only sort of gives a damn about innocent people?

**jf1** · 09-09-2009, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Forge3

I wonder if God took away all the grace that allows us to what is right in the world would we be raping, pillaging and murdering each other?

hasnt that been what humankind has been doing since the beginning of time?
matter of fact, i believe 'raping, pillaging and murdering' reached its peak in the name of jeeeesus...

**Forge3** · 09-09-2009, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by AKR

What does that have to do with whether or not we're raping, pillaging, or stealing? And I thought we had free will, so are you saying he's forcing us to not do those things? Well, some of us, at least, because lots of people ARE doing those things. Why would he allow some people to do those things but not all? He only sort of gives a damn about innocent people?

It was OT and a question for Christians (I could have qualified it to say that). It is a theological query on how grace works. Seems like it could be a thread topic of its own though...

**Forge3** · 09-09-2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by jackfast1

hasnt that been what humankind has been doing since the beginning of time?
matter of fact, i believe 'raping, pillaging and murdering' reached its peak in the name of jeeeesus...

If you can stop using the rolleyes smileys for one month I will ask to be reinstated for mod asap and advocate for hokiebird

**ghengisconor** · 09-09-2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Forge3

If you can stop using the rolleyes smileys for one month I will ask to be reinstated for mod asap and advocate for hokiebird

Why not let hokiebird back, anyways?

**AKR** · 09-09-2009, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Forge3

It was OT and a question for Christians (I could have qualified it to say that). It is a theological query on how grace works. Seems like it could be a thread topic of its own though...

Seems like I could formally debate you on how evil and contradicting your god is.

Do you have an answer to my questions, or would you like to save that for the debate?

**Forge3** · 09-09-2009, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by AKR

Seems like I could formally debate you on how evil and contradicting your god is.

Do you have an answer to my questions, or would you like to save that for the debate?

What questions? You mean to my previous post here? No you have me befuddled, discombobulated, and speechless

**AKR** · 09-09-2009, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Forge3

What questions? You mean to my previous post here? No you have me befuddled, discombobulated, and speechless

I have that affect on people. Don't be embarrassed.

**Forge3** · 09-09-2009, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by AKR

I have that affect on people. Don't be embarrassed.

TBH I have a lot on my mind right now. I am in a bit of a crisis and have to make a radical change in my life. It kind of sucks but it was due. I messed up something that I have to rebuild now

**AKR** · 09-09-2009, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Forge3

TBH I have a lot on my mind right now. I am in a bit of a crisis and have to make a radical change in my life. It kind of sucks but it was due. I messed up something that I have to rebuild now

Good luck, brah. I'm sure you'll get through it.

**Forge3** · 09-09-2009, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by AKR

Good luck, brah. I'm sure you'll get through it.

Yes I have been through hell and back proverbially speaking in my life already. The next few months are going to be tough. But if I do what I have to I will get back to where I need to be. Have to be vague because I am a little emberrassed about my situation. Although I did no harm to anyone else.

**jf1** · 09-09-2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Forge3

If you can stop using the rolleyes smileys for one month I will ask to be reinstated for mod asap and advocate for hokiebird

if you consent to posting "free the hokiebird" in your sig for that month, then we have a deal.

**HeyArnoldKid** · 10-26-2009, 07:41 PM

ttt

**Bliminal** · 10-26-2009, 07:54 PM

Now I am not a believer in the word made by man regarding God, but is there a higher power? sure why not, does it make people happy? in a sense yes/no but hey does it matter? those who don't believe in the God will still make there pledge on their death bed or when their time comes, why? because no one knows what comes next, we all would love to continue in to another life, I know I would.

but I feel like most in this world, God or Jesus might save our souls and forgive our sins according to man and according to a single book that was written by man (sorry in reflection of Gods words), but to allow man and women to rape and murder and kill all in his name, that is a horrible thought of an allowing God and billions of people do not believe that a force as great as that of what we call God should allow this to continue.

so believe if it makes you feel good inside, pray and you shall receive is something so true, energy is what we are and continue to be until we leave this planet and return to the universe, hell I think when we die we all become stars in the universe, all you can say for the amount of death this world has for gone and for the amount of stars in our universe....you be your own judge.

God is a word not anything else.

**Geese_Howard** · 10-26-2009, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by AKR

Yes, I have.

But then I told him to GTFO after I realized he wasn't real...and then I realized I was telling an imaginary being to GTFO and felt dumb.

Pretty much sums up my experience. Before understanding that I had indeed been dumb'n, my intellect led me to the conclusion that he didn't exist based on the function of this world and the universe. The christian god is incompatible with life and evolution.

**Jay Rawd** · 10-31-2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by jackfast1

hasnt that been what humankind has been doing since the beginning of time?
matter of fact, i believe 'raping, pillaging and murdering' reached its peak in the name of jeeeesus...

Got any evidence to back that up, chief? Thanks.

**Jay Rawd** · 10-31-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Bliminal

but I feel like most in this world, God or Jesus might save our souls and forgive our sins according to man and according to a single book that was written by man (sorry in reflection of Gods words), but to allow man and women to rape and murder and kill all in his name, that is a horrible thought of an allowing God and billions of people do not believe that a force as great as that of what we call God should allow this to continue.

The problem of evil is a terrible argument. The reason God allows sin to happen is the same reason that He doesn't just whack you right now and decides it's game over for arrogant Bliminal.

so believe if it makes you feel good inside, pray and you shall receive is something so true, energy is what we are and continue to be until we leave this planet and return to the universe, hell I think when we die we all become stars in the universe, all you can say for the amount of death this world has for gone and for the amount of stars in our universe....you be your own judge.

God is a word not anything else.

Goes to show you that atheism and rational thought don't go hand in hand as they would want you to think.

**Jay Rawd** · 10-31-2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by AKR

Seems like I could formally debate you on how evil and contradicting your god is.

Do you have an answer to my questions, or would you like to save that for the debate?

Or you could bring that over here if Forge decides he doesn't want it with the Alaskan Rebel.

**Jay Rawd** · 10-31-2009, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by AKR

What does that have to do with whether or not we're raping, pillaging, or stealing? And I thought we had free will, so are you saying he's forcing us to not do those things? Well, some of us, at least, because lots of people ARE doing those things. Why would he allow some people to do those things but not all? He only sort of gives a damn about innocent people?

He pretty much allows anyone to do it.

But allowing them to happen doesn't mean that He won't punish said actions.

It's sort of like He allows your day to day blasphemy, a crime far worse than any other crime ever committed. God is the prime receiver of sin out of anyone in the Universe. When humans sin against us, we have NO right to complain because we are sinners ourselves and are deserving of those acts. But if we sin against the Holy One, then it makes sense that we should be punished. Don't get me wrong, God punishes sins against humanity but He takes an even greater offense to sins against His person, as so many atheists do today. God sees Dan Barker and Richard Dawkins as greater offenders than say someone like Ted Bundy.

Now of course, you'd reply with "but teh dawkinz never raped no1!!" it doesn't matter. Rape is a sin against a human, who is a sinner (nobody is innocent). Blasphemy is a sin against a perfect being who CREATED you (a woman who gets raped did not create the man who raped her, nor did she ever love him to the point God loves us).

But here's the kicker. God used OUR OWN SIN AGAINST HIM AS A WAY TO FORGIVE US. Our destruction of His perfect being on the Cross is the way in which He reconciled us back to Him. Our greatest crime is what God used to save us.

That's why I'm a Christian. God is so loving that he willingly takes every bad thing we give Him and STILL loves us. God doesn't send anyone to Hell. Atheists make it clear they have a personal vendetta against Yahweh. Since they don't want Him at all, He grants them their wish. Atheists would hate heaven so Yahweh rightfully sends them where they belong.

**VAPlowhorse** · 10-31-2009, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jay Rawd

It's sort of like He allows your day to day blasphemy, a crime far worse than any other crime ever committed.

He grants them their wish. Atheists would hate heaven so Yahweh rightfully sends them where they belong.

Wow, it takes a lot of hate to make you feel better about yourself, dosn't it?

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