the killer of all natty aesthetic fizeek is...

[ReturnOfChang]

...over emphasis on Chest and arms. ded fkn srs.

Just joined a new gym since cohen19 shut down. Quite a big gym, old school machines, tons of actual lifters. Was mind blown.

But as I walked around and observed all these actual hardcore lifters, I couldn't help but noticed how trash their aesthetic were. Every dude was walking around with that round, soft, muscular look. You know what I'm talking about. That typical gym rat broscience "look".

way over developed arms with massive fatceps, big puffy chest that with no definition/striation, ZERO V Taper, 15-20% bodyfat, soft, doughy and protruding bellies. Yes, they lift. You can tell they lift. But they are unaesthetic as fukk.

Shoulders + traps + upper back + pull ups + posterior chain that focus on glute heavy instead of quad heavy + lifting with high intensity + not obsessing about "getting in your calories" will 100% of the time lead to natty aesthetic. Chang GUARANTEES this.

bench press, curls, squats, tri pushdowns, these are all jew lifts. They destroy aesthetic because if these muscles get big, they throw off your golden ratio completely. Over developing these muscles make you look feminine instead of masculine. No woman likes a man whose chest looks bigger than her in a fkn shirt, bro. Lemme squeeze dem titties, bro.

[paramparam]

Arms are life

[AshWar]

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[ReturnOfChang]

Arms are life

arms are life, if they are in balance with the golden ratio. Big arms on a guy with no V taper and trash shoulders just make you look like a try hard goof.

[MossBros]

OP definitely looks significantly better than the peoples he’s chitting on, trust me

[zarathu5tra]

bench press, curls, squats, tri pushdowns, these are all jew lifts.

FUKING LQL ahahaha

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[ReturnOfChang]

Post physique

from your avatar, it looks like you have overdeveloped bird chests lol. Better hope you stay under 10% bodyfat year around. And bit of fat on them chest and they will resemble jiggly titties. Let a nikka cop a feel, bro.

dips only crew.
never bench press crew
will never overdevelop chest crew
aesthetic and athletic looking "square" chest genetic crew

[RayBcomplex]

...over emphasis on Chest and arms. ded fkn srs.

Just joined a new gym since cohen19 shut down. Quite a big gym, old school machines, tons of actual lifters. Was mind blown.

But as I walked around and observed all these actual hardcore lifters, I couldn't help but noticed how trash their aesthetic were. Every dude was walking around with that round, soft, muscular look. You know what I'm talking about. That typical gym rat broscience "look".

way over developed arms with massive fatceps, big puffy chest that with no definition/striation, ZERO V Taper, 15-20% bodyfat, soft, doughy and protruding bellies. Yes, they lift. You can tell they lift. But they are unaesthetic as fukk.

Shoulders + traps + upper back + pull ups + posterior chain that focus on glute heavy instead of quad heavy + lifting with high intensity + not obsessing about "getting in your calories" will 100% of the time lead to natty aesthetic. Chang GUARANTEES this.

bench press, curls, squats, tri pushdowns, these are all jew lifts. They destroy aesthetic because if these muscles get big, they throw off your golden ratio completely. Over developing these muscles make you look feminine instead of masculine. No woman likes a man whose chest looks bigger than her in a fkn shirt, bro. Lemme squeeze dem titties, bro.

they are still bulking, havent started their summer cuts yet. . . just wait! (summer 2026)

[ReturnOfChang]

FUKING LQL ahahaha

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see, your chest is what I'm talking about when it comes to aesthetic.

it's defined, square, and thins out at the bottom. Perfectly masculine chest, no fkn homo lemme touch bro.

I always shake my head when I see dudes obsessed about working on "lower chest" with gay ass declines.

I'm like, "bro, why would you want to developer the lower parts of your chest so it looks saggy like female breasts?" That's another thing, an overdeveloped lower chest means you have to be WAY more strict on diet. Any bit of fat gained will sit on top of those lower chest muscle and make them look even MORE like boobs.

[ReturnOfChang]

they are still bulking, havent started their summer cuts yet. . . just wait! (summer 2026)

the eternal gym bro cope lmao.

"i-i-im not una-a-a-aesthetic, I'm just b-bulking b-bro"

[MetroBrah]

There is some truth to this. You can def tell when a guy just lifts a lot of weights or is an actual athlete.

[Dogkrack]

mirin the casual anti-semitism OP. on spread

[RayBcomplex]

from your avatar, it looks like you have overdeveloped bird chests lol. Better hope you stay under 10% bodyfat year around. And bit of fat on them chest and they will resemble jiggly titties. Let a nikka cop a feel, bro.

dips only crew.
never bench press crew
will never overdevelop chest crew
aesthetic and athletic looking "square" chest genetic crew

SRS question:
Incline Bench + Dips for the win?
Or do you only isolate with flys?

[ReturnOfChang]

There is some truth to this. You can def tell when a guy just lifts a lot of weights or is an actual athlete.

that's because shoulders, back, glutes, traps are universally associated with "athletic" muscle and look. This is why women always say they like lean athletic physique more than the gymbro look, which is always arm and chest dominant.

When women say they like "nice arms" they aren't talking about a 19inch fatcep. They are talking about lean, defined, and vascular arm that's forearm dominant. Sloots love strong looking forearms and don't really care for big biceps at all. Guys get this all twisted and think they need to blast a 100 set of jewish skullcrushers LMAO.

[PowerPal]

just look at Greek statues. They understood aesthetics so much they made math formulas around it (golden ratio) None of them had huge chests so they understood big chests make you look unaesthetic and weird.

Pitts PT for Troy understood this... so respect, not many gymcels would admit it

starts @ 1min in.


Huge chests = male homosexual gaze pure and simple.

inb4 "bird chest cope" No one says not have a chest, just don't over emphasis if you want aesthetics and don't want to look like a gay gymcel .

[ReturnOfChang]

SRS question:
Incline Bench + Dips for the win?
Or do you only isolate with flys?

mirin wizardry. Incline dumbbells + dips is what I exclusively do for upper days. Haven't touched flys since highschool when it snapped my chit up lulz.

[demfeelsbro]

agree about chest. I think chest dominant physiques don't look aesthetic...especially when arms are a lot smaller (arnie got away with it because his arms matched his chest). For me, smaller chest, with big delts.traps/arms look best - look at male gymnasts physique

[zarathu5tra]

A lot of it is going to come down to the bodyfat%. But I agree, a lot of gymbrahs neglect the upper back & posterior chain. Makes them look like boys from behind and puffy from the front. Not a great look.

[ReturnOfChang]

Frame is more important than beach muscles, that's true.

LOL @ dips over bench though. Both are bad because they're shoulder killers but dips kill shoulders even more on top of being less effective. Progressive overload is the key to any training program and bench is the easiest way to consistently do that.

The main LOL though is OP commenting at all. Show us your credentials.

dips are superior because it works the delts and the upper chest vs the flat jewpress which only focus on the mid chest.

I have superior Gentile shoulders so I've never had an issue with dips. Just squeeze shoulder blades together and only dip slightly below 90 degree elbow bend. Been dipping almost 20 years no issues.

[TeenMisc]

It all comes down to bodyfat %

If you are 10% or under, there's no such thing as overdeveloped anything. Every little bit of muscle looks good when you're shredded.

[naich]

LMAO at calling squats jew lifts, thats pretty good. Gotta have strong legs to walk the desert for 40 years.

The issue is being anything above 10% bodyfat. The amount of fat and bloat tied into the muscle fibre is simply too high. You'll never know how much muscle you have or even how good it looks until you get to single digit bodyfat. Nothing more sad then seeing guys in their 30/40's who have been lifting for 20+ years and they look average if not below average with a shirt off due to 15-20%bf. Sad!

[ReturnOfChang]

nah, it's not because of bodyfat%.

A guy can be 180 and 15% body fat, but if he has a thiccc back, big ass traps, and relatively small waist, it's still more aesthetic than another 180lber at the same body fat but all his "jackedness" are in his chest and arms.

It's about shape and proportions, aka Golden Ratio.

[TaeBoNinja]

Height, shoulder width, waist, bodyfat%, glutes

everything else is cope

[ReturnOfChang]

LMAO at calling squats jew lifts, thats pretty good. Gotta have strong legs to walk the desert for 40 years.

The issue is being anything above 10% bodyfat. The amount of fat and bloat tied into the muscle fibre is simply too high. You'll never know how much muscle you have or even how good it looks until you get to single digit bodyfat. Nothing more sad then seeing guys in their 30/40's who have been lifting for 20+ years and they look average if not below average with a shirt off due to 15-20%bf. Sad!

the barbell squat is quite possibly the biggest jew lift of them all. It does absolutely none of what it advertises, and is actually terrible for you.

brb it boosts your test. no it doesn't.
brb it makes you athletic. not true
brb it makes you stronger overall. that's cap.
brb it makes you jump higher. no, strong jumpers make good squatters. NOT the other way around.

what it actually does:

fries your fkn cns
you're too sore to ever be athletic
can't even take a fkn chit
destroys your recovery so you can't even do any other lifts efficiently
gives you big thicc thunder thighs so that black guys mistaken you for a tranny and cat call you.

don't fall for the mRNA squat.

Mark Jewippetoe JEWMAD 5x5 program can fukk right off.

[ACEofBASED]

Lol @ the gay alt who hasn't worked out in 3 years talking about other people's physiques.

[TheBeeLeaf]

Loool cope from OP.

My chest massive, arms thick asf and look aesthetic.
The attention from women wasn’t enough so Went to a load of fitness comps just to double check and my first trophies all confirm.

Stop coping and Go gym OP

[GaryRidgway]

Shoulders and abs make the physique

[AshWar]

from your avatar, it looks like you have overdeveloped bird chests lol. Better hope you stay under 10% bodyfat year around. And bit of fat on them chest and they will resemble jiggly titties. Let a nikka cop a feel, bro.

dips only crew.
never bench press crew
will never overdevelop chest crew
aesthetic and athletic looking "square" chest genetic crew

… so no physique pics?

bench press, curls, squats, tri pushdowns, these are all jew lifts.

Lold hard at this

[ReturnOfChang]

Loool cope from OP.

My chest massive, arms thick asf and look aesthetic.
The attention from women wasn’t enough so Went to a load of fitness comps just to double check and my first trophies all confirm.

Stop coping and Go gym OP

no cope. I'm 180lb at about 15% bodyfat and I look aesthetic as fukk in a simple T shirt and sweat pants because all my "jackedness" is concentrated in my traps, upperback, and shoulders. Plus I never squat or deadlift so my waist remains 30inch ded srs.

You look good and aesthetic now because you're shredded.

Try cycling off and gain even even 5% body fat and see your chest turn into manboobs.

[Issobolic28]

… so no physique pics?

They never do lol