Randomly Disfiguring Women Is A Game Now?

[wincel]

This is an absolutely ridiculous romanticism or your nihilism

The last part was meant as a joke. That is a quote from Dark Knight, modified to be about incels...The first part was a factual statement. Most violence against women is done by men who have sex, many of whom are even in a voluntary sexual relationship with the woman.

[pogue]

That's not true. There are many other animals that have conscious minds.

Maybe. Again, I'm not going to argue about animals with you. When was the last time a whale wrote a book? We are the only creatures on this planet capable of changing it and altering it.

Humans are constantly under the effect of natural selection, as is all life on this planet.

I want you to show me fact based evidence for this. Not your bullsh!t theories, I want you to go and look up and study and PROVE to me that humans are "under the effect" of natural selection. Honestly, I don't believe you know what natural selection means. Maybe you should pick up a copy of The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin to actually understand what natural selection is.

Depending on what you mean by evolving, we absolutely are evolving. There are many examples of changes in human evolution, such as the resistance to the black plague

We are not resistant to the black plague. We simply learned how to treat it.

lactose tolerance

Again, that is not "evolution". Human beings adapted to be able to drink milk when they first discovered agriculture. Becoming lactose intolerant simply means your body doesn't have the enzyme in it to process the sugars in milk. It's like aging. That would be like saying "evolution" is your eye sight decreases as you get old, so we "evolved" to wear glasses. That's absurd.

and other adaptations due to selection pressures. I base this on this crazy area of science known as biology. You're welcome to reject biology if you want. I encourage you to read some books about evolution and natural selection before you make assumptions about human evolution.

You don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about. It's plainly obvious from your arguments.

Anyway, going back to original topic. Your definition of incel is the one commonly used by the media. It is incorrect. The definition of incel is involuntarily celibate. You were wrong to generalize all incels. I am an incel, and I am nonviolent.

I did say that, but possibly after you posted this. So, let's differentiate once and for all what we're talking about.

Incel = an ideology
Involuntary celebrate = a person who can't get laid

Let's make this very clear so we're all on the same page. Incel doesn't mean you're necessarily violent or going to go out and murder people. But it does follow a very specific ideology.

A man who can't get laid is, by plain definition, celibate. The "involuntary" factor is simply a choice of terminology. We could also say he's unable to procure a sexual encounter from the opposite (or same) sex - another human being.

Again,

Incel = ideology
Celibacy due to inability to have a sexual encounter with another person ≠ that this person has an ideology that s/he can't have a sexual encounter due to some ideology

[ApeXXXPredator]

India has killed tens of millions of female infants in recent decades

[pogue]

Nobody deserves that, and most would not attempt to justify otherwise. But again, if the dude who did this is an incel, he doesn't speak for every incel.

Saying he doesn't speak for every incel is a ridiculous cop out. If a man who belongs to the KKK and follows racist ideology and kills a black person, he doesn't speak for every KKK member. If a crip kills a blood, he doesn't speak for every crip.

That isn't the point. The point is the ideology is dangerous and will eventually lead to people who are already mentally unstable or violent to commit violent acts in the name of that ideology.

[wincel]

Maybe. Again, I'm not going to argue about animals with you. When was the last time a whale wrote a book? We are the only creatures on this planet capable of changing it and altering it.



I want you to show me fact based evidence for this. Not your bullsh!t theories, I want you to go and look up and study and PROVE to me that humans are "under the effect" of natural selection. Honestly, I don't believe you know what natural selection means. Maybe you should pick up a copy of The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin to actually understand what natural selection is.



We are not resistant to the black plague. We simply learned how to treat it.



Again, that is not "evolution". Human beings adapted to be able to drink milk when they first discovered agriculture. Becoming lactose intolerant simply means your body doesn't have the enzyme in it to process the sugars in milk. It's like aging. That would be like saying "evolution" is your eye sight decreases as you get old, so we "evolved" to wear glasses. That's absurd.



You don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about. It's plainly obvious from your arguments.



I did say that, but possibly after you posted this. So, let's differentiate once and for all what we're talking about.

Incel = an ideology
Involuntary celebrate = a person who can't get laid

Let's make this very clear so we're all on the same page. Incel doesn't mean you're necessarily violent or going to go out and murder people. But it does follow a very specific ideology.

A man who can't get laid is, by plain definition, celibate. The "involuntary" factor is simply a choice of terminology. We could also say he's unable to procure a sexual encounter from the opposite (or same) sex - another human being.

Again,

Incel = ideology
Celibacy due to inability to have a sexual encounter with another person ≠ that this person has an ideology that s/he can't have a sexual encounter due to some ideology

Sigh. I have read books on natural selection, dude. That humans are subject to natural selection is patently obvious to anyone who has studied the topic. How could we not be? If there is any form of differential reproductive success that changes allelle frequencies in the population, the criteria defining that differential success should be viewed as a kind of selection acting on the individuals in the population. The conditions of the environment are always changing, and so the selection pressures must change as well.

https://www.pnas.org/content/111/7/2668 plague

https://www.nature.com/articles/5201297 lactase persistence

I am arguing not everyone with the incel ideology is violent. The criminal is not representative of the incel population. The vast majority of incels are nonviolent.

[OnlyHope]

That is bullsh*t I would never ever attack/rape/disfigure a woman or even comprehend such crap - the psychos who do this sh*t are exactly that...psychos. Nice try labelling all incels for being assaulters...we already have life hard as it is being genetically inferior...don't make it any harder than it is you fuken haters

[wincel]

Saying he doesn't speak for every incel is a ridiculous cop out. If a man who belongs to the KKK and follows racist ideology and kills a black person, he doesn't speak for every KKK member. If a crip kills a blood, he doesn't speak for every crip.

That isn't the point. The point is the ideology is dangerous and will eventually lead to people who are already mentally unstable or violent to commit violent acts in the name of that ideology.

Except all the incel ideology is is angry dudes who can't get laid. There is no grand common bond. The word you are looking for is misogyny. The common ideology of people who hate women and want to hurt them is misogyny, not incel. The common ideology that binds incels together is simply the idea that they can't get laid for w/e reason. Many incels happen to be misogynistic.

[Cass40]

Thought about you the other night, was in pub with some chick friends, for some reason one of them started stroking my arm and making the others stroke it cos it was “so soft”

Then everybody was holding out their arms to be stroked and I was declared the winner

I was completely like wtf is going on here

and also as I took a large swig of wine thought LOL Raj posts about this chite

jesus..u think about him at the pub? Get your life together, woman!

edit: I wanna a soft arm too..

[wincel]

Wincel, would you be the new wetbreasts?

I mean if people on here actually chose to support and help you out of whatever hellhole you’ve accustomed yourself too, would you go for it ? Or are you committed to what you are now and not looking for anything change?

I mean they can’t help you get chicks, but they could help you lose weight, get fit. And depression is cured by taking control of small parts of your life and small successes slowly.

Would you let the guys here rally to help or not? It’s happened before, it was one of the things that brought me here in the first place.

Why does every thread turn into a pity wincel thread? I was making a simple point that not all incels are violent murderers/batterers of women. I made that clear by providing a counterexample, me. That should end the debate, right? Maybe use "militant incel" or something. #notallincels It's ok to be incel.

[wincel]

because the reason you exist is due to pity, i told you before dumbass

That's cute.

[pogue]

I applaud you for showing sources. I did read through them and yes, you are right, the plague and the ability to drink milk are due to genetic evolution.

HOWEVER, what does that have to do with breeding based on attractiveness? Did the person who didn't die of the plague pick the most attractive person to breed with or did they do so out of necessity based on whoever was left over and not dead?

Did the person who had the ability to drink milk breed with the most attractive other person who could drink milk? These are answers the studies don't provide.

Sigh. I have read books on natural selection, dude. That humans are subject to natural selection is patently obvious to anyone who has studied the topic. How could we not be?

Alright, I'm willing to accept that natural selection occurred in people who developed immunity to the plague as well as people who gained the ability to drink milk. But, that still doesn't make your point any more valid.

What does natural selection in terms of plague survivors and milk drinkers have to do with anyone in those groups who chose to remain celibate vs those who continued to breed? Were these ancient "Chads" and "Stacys" existing at this point in history and decided to breed due to attractiveness?

If there is any form of differential reproductive success that changes allelle frequencies in the population, the criteria defining that differential success should be viewed as a kind of selection acting on the individuals in the population.

You're essentially contradicting your own point here.

Allele frequency is a measure of the relative frequency of an allele on a genetic locus in a population.

Usually it is expressed as a proportion or a percentage.

In population genetics, allele frequencies show the genetic diversity of a species population or equivalently the richness of its gene pool.

Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/allele_frequency.htm

If people were not genetically diverse there would be no ability to drink milk or survive the plague. That essentially means that many people of different backgrounds bred together to increase the gene pool. So... attractiveness of the person has absolutely no bearing on these factors. To the contrary, it shows that people copulated regardless.

I also await your responses to my posts above that you made and I debunked.

[wincel]

I applaud you for showing sources. I did read through them and yes, you are right, the plague and the ability to drink milk are due to genetic evolution.

HOWEVER, what does that have to do with breeding based on attractiveness? Did the person who didn't die of the plague pick the most attractive person to breed with or did they do so out of necessity based on whoever was left over and not dead?

Did the person who had the ability to drink milk breed with the most attractive other person who could drink milk? These are answers the studies don't provide.



Alright, I'm willing to accept that natural selection occurred in people who developed immunity to the plague as well as people who gained the ability to drink milk. But, that still doesn't make your point any more valid.

What does natural selection in terms of plague survivors and milk drinkers have to do with anyone in those groups who chose to remain celibate vs those who continued to breed? Were these ancient "Chads" and "Stacys" existing at this point in history and decided to breed due to attractiveness?



You're essentially contradicting your own point here.


Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/allele_frequency.htm

If people were not genetically diverse there would be no ability to drink milk or survive the plague. That essentially means that many people of different backgrounds bred together to increase the gene pool. So... attractiveness of the person has absolutely no bearing on these factors. To the contrary, it shows that people copulated regardless.

I also await your responses to my posts above that you made and I debunked.

Attractiveness doesn't necessarily mean what we commonly think of as physical attractiveness. People breed based on many factors. Actually, regarding Chads of history, about 7000 years ago, 1 man reproduced for every 17 women or so. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6
Male sexual competition and dominance hierarchy has existed for a very, very long time.

Allele frequencies measure the percentage of the population that has a particular allele. People did not copulate regardless...those who did not have adaptive traits died off without reproducing. Males and females often competed for mates. There were many ancient threats to the species, such as predators, hunger from lack of food, dehydration, diseases, and murder from other humans. Whatever worked best at the time survived to reproduce. What didn't was lost. Over many years, a systematic bias in the population toward favorable alleles appeared.

I'm goin 2 bed, but what I have said is consistent with what we know from biology dude. I am not making anything up. It is what it is.

[wincel]

It’s not pity, actually maybe it is

You’re intelligent but have grown increasingly abnormal in the time I’ve been here

Human are social beings. Chad's society is a thing. Fitting into Chad's society is a thing. Self-actualisation is a thing.

lol

[pogue]

Attractiveness doesn't necessarily mean what we commonly think of as physical attractiveness. Actually, regarding Chads of history, about 7000 years ago, 1 man reproduced for every 17 women or so. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-04375-6
Male sexual competition and dominance hierarchy has existed for a very, very long time.

You're talking about a completely different time period now. We were talking about plague survivors (which happened in the Middle Ages - 13th century) and milk drinkers and now you're referring to the Neolithic period. Secondly, even if you say "Okay, in the Neolithic period there was one dominate male who slept with all the women" you still can't say it was based on attractiveness of the female.

And now we get to the actual point, you said it yourself:

People breed based on many factors.

DING DING DING DING DING!

In a moment of clarity you just completely discounted your entire argument. Yep, people breed based on many different factors - NOT JUST ATTRACTIVENESS. There we go. What are we arguing about now? The mystery has been solved.

Allele frequencies measure the percentage of the population that has a particular allele. People did not copulate regardless...those who did not have adaptive traits died off without reproducing. Males and females often competed for mates. There were many ancient threats to the species, such as predators, hunger from lack of food, dehydration, diseases, and murder from other humans. Whatever worked best at the time survived to reproduce. What didn't was lost. Over many years, a systematic bias in the population toward favorable alleles appeared.

And? That proves what?

You still never went back and looked and any of my replies to you. You didn't watch the video on the psychology of the incel. You simply throw out other arguments and say "It's biology, I didn't make it up". That's no way to try and cement your argument.

I'm as tired as you are at this point, so I'm going to quit here too. Regardless, the person in this video explains the incel ideology to a T - irrelevant of whether or not violence was involved.

[elterrible987]

Saw this vid in my recommended...wtf is this chit?

Incels are randomly slashing women in the face now then running away.

Did you not watch the video.

This happened in 1986


odd agenda presenting it as if its recent.

[gwem32170191]

This thread makes me long for the misc of the recent past where the worst thing we had were manlets and rotters. You never know what you have until it's gone, or so the saying goes.

[eod8989]

I hate how people view involuntary celibates

Nearly 30% of the population are confirmed incels. They haven't had sex in an entire calendar year.

Yet the media has put a label on every guy who doesnt have sex and makes them out to be some sick freak oh hes anti social or he looks a certain way or thinks he is better then everyone and is entitled to a 9/10 he must be an incel

Fukin sucks man. Society is going to collapse because of how extreme and stupid everything is now. Everything has a label now.

[slootermcgavin]

My therapist was unable to refute my arguments. He just told me to stop overthinking things and said it doesn't help you to think that way. But he had no way to refute it.

You do realize you're choosing your lifestyle right? Getting laid or a girlfriend isn't rocket science. You focus too much on what you perceive as beautiful, attractive people and fail to realize that the vast majority of the world is average. There will always be outliers, but ugly people still marry and reproduce, so there's that.

[I3igAl]

Saw this vid in my recommended...wtf is this chit?

Incels are randomly slashing women in the face now then running away.

The video does not say how oftern this happens. I reckon them mentioning 4 assailants. One of them being 30 years ago.
With 8 Mio New Yorkers, that doesn't really mean regular occurence.

[elterrible987]

2016 headline: 23 random slashings in 5 months

https://nypost.com/2016/03/20/city-h...st-few-months/

"Cops are battling an 18 percent spike in knife assaults this year, and police sources and criminologists are blaming copycats, gang initiations and hordes of mentally ill homeless people."

"The medley of victims includes a 71-year-old grandma riding a D train, a 16-year-old Chinese exchange student walking to school in Queens, and a 30-year-old bus commuter in Brooklyn."



These arent incels attacking young women. These are mentally ill homeless people unable to survive in high cost liberal utopia NYC and attacking random people, including men and old ladies.

So much for the narrative of mass slashing by incels. But hey OP posted that case from the 1980s.

[Kev1972]

I've said it every time and I'll say it again.

All this incel violence is getting kicked off by the anti-bullying campaigns.

When I was a kid if these incel dweebs even sniffed the empty seat of an attractive girl in school they would get beat within an inch of their life. They learned their place at a very young age.

Now days these kids have no social structure and no fear of chads who will beat the living chit out of them for trying to cut in on the available pussy market.

So they still grow up getting no pussy, but instead of being fearful of a beatdown they think they can use their manlet strength to overpower and subvert weaker females.

Where have all the good men gone And where are all the gods? Where's the streetwise Hercules To fight the rising incels? Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed? And I dream of what I need. I need a chad.

[l2ambo]

Wincel, you're a pretty smart guy. Go get in shape if you aren't already and practice having regular conversations with people. i.e. genuinely be interested in what they're saying/who they are. I see unattractive guys with hot women all the time. They hold conversations well like I imagine you can. Women love smart guys. You can be a chad too. I went from 19 years old, playing video games for 18 hours a day, living with my mom, skinnyfat virgin to working/lifting 5 days a week. I was muscular, confident, and somewhat social within 2 months and lost my virginity right away. All it takes is a bit of effort boyo. You can manifest any world you please. Believe it, put in the work, and it will be so. Just look at Elon Musk.

[PeteJonesHTX]

Perfect timing. Just stumbled across this video on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdHqzr4DyIs

This dude HAS to be a miscer and it's up to us to figure out his username.

[rectifryer]

You're using an argument of a logical fallacy "tu quoque".

If you're 'involuntarily celebrate' because you can't get laid for whatever reason, don't call yourself an "incel". If you're asexual and don't want to have sex then that might be a reason. But making a comparison that being an 'incel' and having a certain ideology is akin to referring to all Muslims as terrorists is an absurd comparison.

If you're 'involuntarily celebrate' then you need to examine why this is the case. Do you have social anxiety? Do you have an underlying mental health issue that needs to be addressed? Being an 'incel' doesn't mean it's women's fault for rejecting you. And that is really the main point. I think @MediocreGains' explaination is the clearest.

No, he isn't? I'm a devil's advocate, and it's easy to see incels are just fodder for clickbait and division.

I mean I remember the whole " I'm a nice dude thus entitled to your vagina " era of the internet 20yrs ago. This is nothing new.

[InstantLoser]

Saw this vid in my recommended...wtf is this chit?

Incels are randomly slashing women in the face now then running away.

Please stop claiming Incels are violent. Literally 2 guys out of tens or even hundreds of thousands of guys did something violent. It's not a trend.

Incels have an actual worldview based on subverting women to make them compliant sex slaves and have this idea that all women should accept them because it's their "right" to have a woman.

Check out the interview by the guy who commited the Toronto van attack. It's kind of a long video, but very informative.

This is propaganda. Again, there have been a total of 2 well noted so-called "Incels" who've done anything violent to the point of being newsworthy. You have the focus of that video (Menassian from Canada), and Elliot Rogers. Most Incels are just sad guys who can't get laid and tend to complain about it online. It's not a wild trend of violent men who blame women for their problems. This is just the demonization of guys who are simply sad/pathetic (yes, I describe myself in that manner) and can't find a mate. Getting tired of this smear campaign.

[Godfrd824]

Two of those to the head, that's the fix for the people who do shyt like this.

Please stop claiming Incels are violent. Literally 2 guys out of tens or even hundreds of thousands of guys did something violent. It's not a trend.

Didn't you get laid a few years ago? By a miscer no less, why not just do whatever you did to attract them to attract other people, it's not that hard. By labeling yourself an incel, you're not winning the battle.

[badreligion]

Incels have an actual worldview based on subverting women to make them compliant sex slaves and have this idea that all women should accept them because it's their "right" to have a woman.

Check out the interview by the guy who commited the Toronto van attack. It's kind of a long video, but very informative.

The ones who commit violence have much more going on than just women problems. I think it's unfair to completely absolve women from the creation of incels. I mean by definition I would be considered an Incel but I don't have hostile feelings towards women or wish to harm them simply because they reject me so I think it's a much more complex issue than it's made out to be.

By the way, thanks for showing me this YouTube channel, this type of stuff fascinates me.

[InstantLoser]

Didn't you get laid a few years ago? By a miscer no less, why not just do whatever you did to attract them to attract other people, it's not that hard. By labeling yourself an incel, you're not winning the battle.

"It's not that hard".

For you. I'm not interested in derailing the thread or going off on a tangent about my own inability to get laid.
I'm not a violent person; I just can't properly interact with women.
I'm simply pointing out the fact that Incels are not inherently violent, and that this smearing of anyone a certain political ideology doesn't like (ie the left, feminists, etc) is getting old.

[anonymous]

Wow this story is terrible, the incel Menace must be stopped.



We must do something about these alt right incels who are being radicalized and taught to attack women by 4chan

All those incels spraying acid in womens faces because they hated Captain Marvels representation of strong women need to be thrown in jail.

[GaloisTheory]

more manufactured garbage by the leftist media

I can't believe you *******s are somehow soaking up this feminist bullchit about an imaginary incel rampage against women when there's been like 2 incidents in the last decade. 99% of the random attacks against women have been by angry Muslims, lol, but uh...incel bad!