Today's Order - 2017 Microwaves and Ignoring Supplement Labels

[ISurfNudeBrah]

Come on man, you know that's not accurate. Mono has great absorption and sits fine with most users if kept within the 5g.

But anecdotal evidence from Fug reigns supreme. Just try it bro, forget the bioavailability.

[eatyourspinach]

When the Fug was with Gamma Labs he didn't mind monohydrate, my how times have changed.

[Madevilz]

Science says Mono absorbs just fine.
Broscience overload in here.

[BogusForLife]

I highly doubt all of it gets absorbed regardless of the type. I just feel better when using a designer form, the bloat hinders my workout every time



Again, you're going by "what they say". Everything improves overtime, including creatine. The common bloat that's associated with monohydrate tells us one thing, we're only absorbing a portion of it, the remaining creatine is present till your kidneys remove it.

If mono sits fine with you, you're one of the lucky ones. Most users complain about discomfort, this is why the market offers so many designer forms.



This^

How does trying to undermine his feedback saying it is based on "what they say" work out when your rebuttal is also based on "what they say"?

[dougefresh93]

How does trying to undermine his feedback saying it is based on "what they say" work out when your rebuttal is also based on "what they say"?

"Most users complain about discomfort"

^ just a false statement, as well.

[OT2000]

When the Fug was with Gamma Labs he didn't mind monohydrate, my how times have changed.

Geezus man I just went exploring and had a good laugh. Crying here



Opening Kraken tomorrow! This **** better b guud

Just emptied my Pes FCC..

[dazedncnfz]

I see no thread is safe from the false crap that he spews...just smh how is allowed to even be on here or a rep.

[TMac26]

For me personally, and I'm in no way shape or form speaking for everyone, just don't see the benefit of increasing stims more and more over time.


I see why people love that "going balls to the wall feeling", but it diminishes over time, and then you need a stim break.


I'm in the camp of using just enough stims to get going, and keep going. It seems to help keep my tolerance low enough that each time I use something, it works just like it should.


For instance, I'm doing 1 Blade first thing in the morning, and then about 2 hours later, 1 scoop of PPK. Then later in the day, a scoop of Velocity XT.


That's my stims for the day.

[burntreality]

Opening Kraken tomorrow! This **** better b guud
.

Interested to hear your feedback. Hearing mixed reviews away from this forum.

[Farley1324]

For me personally, and I'm in no way shape or form speaking for everyone, just don't see the benefit of increasing stims more and more over time.


I see why people love that "going balls to the wall feeling", but it diminishes over time, and then you need a stim break.


I'm in the camp of using just enough stims to get going, and keep going. It seems to help keep my tolerance low enough that each time I use something, it works just like it should.


For instance, I'm doing 1 Blade first thing in the morning, and then about 2 hours later, 1 scoop of PPK. Then later in the day, a scoop of Velocity XT.


That's my stims for the day.

As I kind of said the other day, I see it the same way.

I'm still creeping up in frequency of stim preworkout use over time though. Used to be, years ago, I'd use a (stim) pre 1-2x a week, now I lift 4x/week, always with a pre, and often stims for all (I do mix in days of non stim sometimes)

Which is why I appreciate being able to have a solid workout with just 1 scoop of Prolific or similar (last two workouts I did that).

[Misctake7]

For me personally, and I'm in no way shape or form speaking for everyone, just don't see the benefit of increasing stims more and more over time.


I see why people love that "going balls to the wall feeling", but it diminishes over time, and then you need a stim break.


I'm in the camp of using just enough stims to get going, and keep going. It seems to help keep my tolerance low enough that each time I use something, it works just like it should.


For instance, I'm doing 1 Blade first thing in the morning, and then about 2 hours later, 1 scoop of PPK. Then later in the day, a scoop of Velocity XT.


That's my stims for the day.

Some of us are lucky enough that a tolerence to stims doesn't build at certain dosages. Do I get good energy on 300mg of caffeine anymore? Heck no. Maybe when I bulk and have all the extra carbs I'm able to get good energy off 300mg. I currently take between 400-600mg of caffeine preworkout and have never had to go above that at any time. My body just won't develop a tolerence to that much caffeine. But I did hit the point I don't want to increase caffeine from that point since it's as high as it already is.

The only downside is how much faster you can go through tubs of preworkout. However lots of times I'll take 1 scoop of PWO and use a caffeine pill or a cheap PWO that's essentially just caffeine.

[Farley1324]

Some of us are lucky enough that a tolerence to stims doesn't build at certain dosages. Do I get good energy on 300mg of caffeine anymore? Heck no. Maybe when I bulk and have all the extra carbs I'm able to get good energy off 300mg. I currently take between 400-600mg of caffeine preworkout and have never had to go above that at any time. My body just won't develop a tolerence to that much caffeine. But I did hit the point I don't want to increase caffeine from that point since it's as high as it already is.

The only downside is how much faster you can go through tubs of preworkout. However lots of times I'll take 1 scoop of PWO and use a caffeine pill or a cheap PWO that's essentially just caffeine.

This is a weird sentence

[TMac26]

I feel bad for people with a naturally high tolerance like that.


When I take that scoop of Velocity @ 300 mg of caff, I'm humming along until a couple hours before bedtime

[dazedncnfz]

Whats a stim break?

and

Can we bring back NO HYPE?

[Misctake7]

This is a weird sentence

Never having to go above 600mg caffeine - what am I missing that's weird besides being a high amount of stims that my body isn't building a tolerence to?

[TMac26]

I think there is a threshold of which at some point your body is unable to build a tolerance to such high amounts. I've never heard of anyone really going over 600 mg on the regular.


I do know people that have ingested probably a gram in a day, but I would imagine its a bit of a gross exaggeration more than actual truth.

[Misctake7]

I think there is a threshold of which at some point your body is unable to build a tolerance to such high amounts. I've never heard of anyone really going over 600 mg on the regular.


I do know people that have ingested probably a gram in a day, but I would imagine its a bit of a gross exaggeration more than actual truth.

Must not read Gbullocks posts

600mg is usually at the very end of a cut when carbs are essentially at 10-20g with long and high volume workouts.

[Farley1324]

Never having to go above 600mg caffeine - what am I missing that's weird besides being a high amount of stims that my body isn't building a tolerence to?

Seems weird because it's such a high amount (600mg of caffeine at one time) to have to take, talking about not having to take more is like...well ****...I hope not because 600mg pre workout is a **** ton already

I think there is a threshold of which at some point your body is unable to build a tolerance to such high amounts. I've never heard of anyone really going over 600 mg on the regular.


I do know people that have ingested probably a gram in a day, but I would imagine its a bit of a gross exaggeration more than actual truth.

Quite a few people around the forum have claimed to get a gram a day semi regularly.

[TMac26]

Ive found that products like Peak ATP (even in bulk), L-Citrulline, Peak O2, etc are much better for endurance while working out.


Stims seem to just "wake me up" and give me a boost of energy, that I notice more when doing cardio. During lifting, I notice much more from the other compounds.

[shoefanatic23]

Some of us are lucky enough that a tolerence to stims doesn't build at certain dosages. Do I get good energy on 300mg of caffeine anymore? Heck no. Maybe when I bulk and have all the extra carbs I'm able to get good energy off 300mg. I currently take between 400-600mg of caffeine preworkout and have never had to go above that at any time. My body just won't develop a tolerence to that much caffeine. But I did hit the point I don't want to increase caffeine from that point since it's as high as it already is.

The only downside is how much faster you can go through tubs of preworkout. However lots of times I'll take 1 scoop of PWO and use a caffeine pill or a cheap PWO that's essentially just caffeine.

600 mg of caffeine pre workout? Got damn man lol. 250mg gives me a big enough boost to hit the gym, but I honestly get up and going when I start to move some weight around.

[Farley1324]

Ive found that products like Peak ATP (even in bulk), L-Citrulline, Peak O2, etc are much better for endurance while working out.


Stims seem to just "wake me up" and give me a boost of energy, that I notice more when doing cardio. During lifting, I notice much more from the other compounds.

I have a hard time coming to any kind of conclusion because there are so many variables and there's always that giant ass placebo thing, but I'm starting to think I really do get better endurance for lifting with a good dose of citrulline, which would happen to help explain why I always like the results of Pre Kaged, and now prolific stacked with some high volume

[brooks1865]

I took 700 mg of caffeine once and I was not a fan. I hover around 300 and am more than happy. Lately I've dropped to about 250 and added anywhere from 50-100 mg of teacrine and been loving it.

[TMac26]

I have a had time coming to any kind of conclusion because there are so many variables and there's always that giant ass placebo thing, but I'm starting to think I really do get better endurance for lifting with a god dose of citrulline, which would happen to help explain why I always like the results of Pre Kaged, and now prolific stacked with some high volume

I know I do.

I've simplified my pre workout regime. Its more or less PPK + Creatine RT + Bulk L-Citrulline.


Nothing fancy

[Misctake7]

Ive found that products like Peak ATP (even in bulk), L-Citrulline, Peak O2, etc are much better for endurance while working out.


Stims seem to just "wake me up" and give me a boost of energy, that I notice more when doing cardio. During lifting, I notice much more from the other compounds.

Never noticed any difference in my workouts when taking Peak 02 unfortunately. Wish that was what makes a difference.

[OT2000]

Never noticed any difference in my workouts when taking Peak 02 unfortunately. Wish that was what makes a difference.

I did but it was a while after use and I was using 4g daily not 2. Minimal impact and more towards TTE.

[TMac26]

I've noticed a huge difference since I've been Keto.


Muscular Endurance is nice. I got some bulk from Primaforce and its nice to dose separately.

[kissdadookie]

"Most users complain about discomfort"

^ just a false statement, as well.

I think it actually leans more towards true than false, reasons being:

1) People like to load for a week.
2) People usually don't use enough water when getting it down.
3) When you don't use enough water, creatine tends to pull water into the gut and then that leads to sharts.

Never noticed any difference in my workouts when taking Peak 02 unfortunately. Wish that was what makes a difference.

Same. Based on what PeakO2 is purported to do, it's more or less a pretty useless ingredient for strength trainees.

[eatyourspinach]

Maybe all the PEA derivatives and novel stimulants are making the tolerance build up quicker.

[TMac26]

I think OT was getting at "when mono is dosed properly" IE not loaded, enough water and 3-5 grams.

[Farley1324]

I think OT was getting at "when mono is dosed properly" IE not loaded, enough water and 3-5 grams.

Begs the question...what % of creatine mono users do it correctly?