Natural Testosterone

[olusco]

Everyone talk about PH or that. About the natural way?. ZMA , (Biotest 500)optional, l-Arginine and multivitamin. All these wll add additional 20% testos plus extra calories without any hindrance of natural testosterone. Any input is appreciated

[brooklyn mike]

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[olusco]

Originally posted by brooklyn mike
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What is the meaning of that
I do not know tell meeeeeeeeeeee.

[brooklyn mike]

i just ment i was wondering if u could elaborate a little more cause i didnt inderstand what u were saying...

[labrad]

We speak English on this board.

[SupaNatural]

Originally posted by olusco
ZMA , (Biotest 500)optional, l-Arginine and multivitamin. All these wll add additional 20% testos plus extra calories without any hindrance of natural testosterone. Any input is appreciated

If you're talking about boosting test w/o hormonal assistance,

ZMA - will only help if one is zinc deficient. And only then will it help bring test levels back to normal.

Tribex 500 - concensus is that it's really good for a woody, and that's about it.

Multi - should be taking one anyway.

L-arginine - minimal, if any test boost at all.

So bottom line, 20%? Try maybe 5% MAX, if even that, IMHO.

[skinnyboy]

Do a search for Natural AND testosterone

Look for a post by tofu_guru. He had a good natural test boosting article.

[labrad]

Originally posted by skinnyboy
Do a search for Natural AND testosterone

Look for a post by tofu_guru. He had a good natural test boosting article.

Oh is that what the guy was talking about? Yeah, Skinnyboy that was a good thread. F*cking Tofu Guru came up with some good sh*t.

[olusco]

Originally posted by skinnyboy
Do a search for Natural AND testosterone

Look for a post by tofu_guru. He had a good natural test boosting article.

I read his thread I think we are all saying the same thing in terms of what supp to take without hindrance to the nutural testosterone.
Why do i mention this i did nutrition in college too.
regardless thanks

[David73]

I think that the point is that the supplements that you are referring to will only raise testosterone minimally, if at all.

I have taken ZMA and I agree that the benefits of it are really for zinc deficiency- TO be totally honest, I have never really experienced any NOTICABLE benefits from it.

I put products like Tribex in the same category as tribulus. Again, possibly a marginal spike in Test, but not enough by itself to really impact from a weightlifting standpoint.

Arginine, like in NO2 and TRAC expand blood vessels and allow for increased bumps (often sustained bumps). This does not increase Test production though.

[labrad]

This is what Jeff Everson says on the subject,"sex every 3 days, Omega 3 marine fats, zinc, and Vitamin E every day, and also eat a thick Porterhouse steak, twice a week".

Personally, I don't think this will get you a whole lot as far as increased test levels, but if you insist on being natural, this could give you a small boost.

[RippedUp]

Originally posted by labrad
We speak English on this board.

LOL! You only wished that.

[olusco]

I want to understand the concept of PH. Lets try to analyze the concept of the PH. Using the any supp of Testosterone. If gain 10 to 20 lbs.The strength doubled. What happen if stop taken it? by that way, looking for the nutural way to boost it. Then side effect might occur if not well prepared. At long run looking for more powerful to boost it. Probably the gain will be less and less.The Strength will be diminshing and going to square one from the start. I am doing the research about PH. It has to be taken all the the time to maintain the gain. The whole idea of PH or any suppl now is that one has to be constant recycle it to maintain the gain or the opposite. The conclusion is that there is a lot of way to work around the PH and that will enhance the strength. We all have one thing in common. Go to the gym lift the iron as little pen and achieve the best physique in the universe. I am still searching the best answer to the question.

[pogue]

*sigh*

I really don't feel like explaining this anymore....

@olusco: you need to do more reading on prohormones to fully understand their benefits, like how they work and how to maintain your gains. if you want to boost your test naturally try the follow

-lots of flax seed oil
-tribestan or fuzu
-zma
-plenty of rest
-high volume or intensity training

those will boost hormonal levels naturally

[SupaNatural]

Originally posted by olusco
by that way, looking for the nutural way to boost it. Then side effect might occur if not well prepared.

Even if you were to boost test levels naturally you'd experience sides if they were boosted to any significant levels.

[olusco]

Originally posted by Supa Freek 420
Even if you were to boost test levels naturally you'd experience sides if they were boosted to any significant levels.

The panel here says that the gain is like 5%. How is the side effect compare to 20 to 30% or more gain from PH?

[labrad]

oluscu, once again English please or at least a semblance thereof.

[DaddyR]

Originally posted by olusco
The panel here says that the gain is like 5%. How is the side effect compare to 20 to 30% or more gain from PH?

If you're talking about test levels, I think you have it wrong. I don't believe that PHs only raise test levels by 20-30%. It has been a while since I did the calculations along these lines (looking at the effect of transdermal 4-AD), but I believe that with PHs, we're looking at <u>multiplication</u> of test levels (or test equivalents for those which don't convert to test). That is, you double or triple the level, a 100%-200% increase. Or more!

A 5% rise in natty test levels just doesn't even come close to the effect of PH at effective dosages.

[DRACOMACHINE]

Coming off a severe bodybuilding diet is a good way to boost Testosterone. After competing in a show, as long as you dieted correctly there is a window of opprotunity. Your test levels start to surge after introducing more (Clean) food into your system.
Use this window wisely.

I have experienced this window first hand and enjoy reaping the benefits. As far as supplements go I experience the same results when I use Tribestan. I have used it for gaining mass since 2000. I have never been let down. One box lasts you 10 days. Yes sex function goes through the roof, Yet the test levels go back to what they were in your twenties. This is where the area of not working is. If your test levels are already high (In your twenties or lower) Tribestan will give you no benefits outside of erections!
If you are older late 20's or 30's you will get the Young feeling and easy gains you did back in your younger twenties. Tribestan will not raise your levels of test like the Prohormones will. It will just bring them back up to your natural level you had in your twenties.

[olusco]

I Thank everyone that participate in the crucial debate of natural testos. It is an endless debate of all time. We will continue the research of PH and the natural test. We have not found the result yet. Both the medical and the wannabes should continue the experiment and the public will be waiting for the answers. As the saying goes every problem has a solution it might take time. I rest my case.

[DaddyR]

Originally posted by DRACOMACHINE
. . Your test levels start to surge . . .

. . . As far as supplements go I experience the same results when I use Tribestan. . . .

. . . If you are older late 20's or 30's you will get the Young feeling and easy gains you did back in your younger twenties.

Good post. No offense intended, but did you personally have your test level checked before and after taking Trib? Just curious, because if you did, that would be good evidence for its effectiveness. (Objective data is always good to see.) Especially because so many do say that it's ineffective at raising test levels, though your theory regarding the reason for that MAY be correct.

As to that theory, according to the medical info. I've reviewed, natty test levels don't drop as much as many folks here seem to believe until after the "male menopause", around age 50. I'd be surprised if it were much of a factor even to someone approaching 30. But if you've had your test levels analyzed and there was a clear elevation of test unrelated to any other factors, then that matters little.

[olusco]

As to that theory, according to the medical info. I've reviewed, natty test levels don't drop as much as many folks here seem to believe until after the "male menopause", around age 50. I'd be surprised if it were much of a factor even to someone approaching 30. But if you've had your test levels analyzed and there was a clear elevation of test unrelated to any other factors, then that matters little.
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MY natural test is 100% fine .I bang day and night. The point is that we all want extra strength and to be to lift that sh***t. Not to lift like chicken. The question is that does natur supp helps or not without any dangerous side effect?. I am not bashing any body making the decision. We should try to minimize the effect that is my research.

[lce]

Another thing about Tribex. Tribulus has had NO sound research done on it. Another marketing scam in my opinion. Tribex *might* only work for people who have abormal t-levels. For anyone in their teens,twenties,thirties, and may even forties ... there is no reason to be taking bull**** products like this. Most of your levels are normal, and like progue said, sleep,nutrition, and training are about the only ways to naturally boost your t-levels. I'm not sold on ZMA yet. I did try to supplement with ZMA, and the only thing I saw out of ZMA was breakouts. I never had any other affects of noticable testosterone increases like one should.

Don't buy into natural supplements that will do it. Save your money. If your really interested in it, and mature enough to make a responsible decision, you could try a testosterone percursor, but I recommend staying natural.

hth