whey protein and nlarge2 any good for me?

[Jonesyboss]

Hi, I find it very hard to gain weight I have been training flat-out for the past 6 months and was on and off for about a year before that and it hasn’t gained me any extra pounds at all! I am much bigger and more toned and so much stronger, but I don’t understand why I haven’t gained any weight plus my b/f has stayed about the same.

Only supplement I take at the mo is on's 100% whey protein. I used to use Nitrix stack, but that got too expensive even though I loved the extra strength it gave me and energy, i made some good gains with that as well.

I wanna take n-large 2 but am scared ill get fat! How good is it while taking it with the whey protein, I try and eat as much good food as possible but its hard with me working so much. I try to eat 6 meals a day but normally end up eating 4 biggish meals.

I work out up to 2 hours a day 5 times a week, my m8 has made amazing results doing the same taking whey protein, but has been working out twice as long as me, but he just eats crap all the time (mostly fastfood) but it seems to have worked for him.

So how and when should i take this nlarge 2 and how do i not get fat, cos thats the last thing i wanna do add pounds but get fat.

Any feedback and help would be much appreciated.

Thanks dudes,

Allan

[Danik]

The only time that it is even moderately acceptable to intake sugars (high-gi carbs) is pre and/or postworkout. I'd stick to buying quality food in place of weight gainers, because the mass they are more likely to put on is fat. Go to the grocery store and buy some rice and chicken. That is a far better investment in my opinion.

[RB12]

While I disagree with Danik about sugar being optimal around your workout, I agree with everything else re: n large. Fact of the matter is, you already know what your problem is and a weight gainer is not going to help you in the long run... you are a hardgainer and you don't eat enough. Many of us have the work problem, but fact of the matter is, you have to eat. Otherthigns to consider, workout 2 hours a day, 5 days a week may be a little much and may hinder long term gains.

I work out up to 2 hours a day 5 times a week, my m8 has made amazing results doing the same taking whey protein, but has been working out twice as long as me, but he just eats crap all the time (mostly fastfood) but it seems to have worked for him.

Genetics are a bitch, some people have it easier than others. That said, do not use others as a barometer of your own success.


Read the following it will help:

A few ideas...

Diet:

-Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you
-Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you
-Total daily calorie intake. This is what will make / break you

- BMR and nutrition calculator (click here)

- Total Daily Protein Intake (for best results I recommend AROUND 2g per lb of bodyweight)

- Fatloss basics. READ IT:

- Foods (Good vs. Bad):

- If there was ONE SINGLE KEY to the gains I made in the 1 1/2 years when I went from 175-225 (my best.. leanest gains), it is OATS / STEEL CUT OATS ! The emphasis here is that oats / steel cut oats are a INEXPENSIVE, HEALTHY, yet VERY CALORIE DENSE FOOD. I saw lean gains like I had never seen before. But NO THEY DON'T TASTE GOOD. YOU HAVE TO FORCE FEED THEM. This gets old fast. I added about 1 cup of oats to each protein shake.

When bulking, I aim for:

- 1lb lean beef per day
- 1 Gallon Skim Milk per day
- Around 2000 cals per day from oats
- Lots of protein shakes (up to 8 per day)
- Lean chicken
- Lean turkey
- Lean beef / sloppy Joes (manwich)
- Hamburger Helper
- Lots of pasta
- Lots of tuna
- Potatoes
- Rice (Note: If you can afford it you can do things like boneless chicken breast, steaks etc.. etc..)
- Veggies (Fresh if possible)

When cutting:

- I eat many of the same foods above, but with a lower TOTAL DAILY CALORIE INTAKE

- I put a emphasis on PRE- and POST-workout nutrition, and the end result is that most of my calories are eaten before my afternoon workout. I have found this to be ideal (for me).




Supplements:

- SAVE $$$$$ ! ! STICK WITH THE BASICS ! ! )

Multivitamin
10 lb bags of Optimum Whey Protein (This includes a great BCAA profile AND glutamine) (Note: I recommend Choc / Choc Mint only)
Creapure Creatine or Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL
Cold Pressed Flaxseed oil (and / or fishoil

- Stay on creatine, there is no need to cycle it ! (cycling and loading are totally optional)

- Creatine timing (when / how to take it):

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=307788
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author22.htm

- For best results, aim for AROUND 2g of total daily protein intake per lb of bodyweight EVERY SINGLE DAY ! !

Example:

Bodyweight: 200lbs
Total daily protein intake: 400g

Here is why:

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...oprejudice.htm
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=337536

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=392907


Workout / Routine:

- I recommend a MAX-OT, HST (or similar) routine with a EMPHASIS ON:

- Squatting / Leg pressing
- Deadlifts
- Barbell benchpress (Including flat / decline / incline)

- Concentrate more on measurements and less on bodyweight

- Weigh yourself once a week. Should gain (or lose) around 1lb per week (depending on goals).

- Concentrate on form first, in order to stay injury free

- With intensity, strength gains, and a proper bodybuilding diet, the size gains (or fatloss) will come

- Make sure and have a spotter when working out your major muscle groups, preferrably someone bigger than you

- Don't be scared of overtraining. Simply listen (pay attention) to your body, and ask more questions later if you think you are overtraining.





Cardio:

- If possible, do cardio at least 8 hours from when you lift weights

- If possible, do cardio in the AM after sleeping.

- No need to do cardio on a empty stomach, but many prefer to due to nausea

- Jumping rope is a very efficient form of cardio

- HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) is a efficient form of cardio






Recovery (A.K.A GROWTH !):

- With proper intensity MUST COME PROPER RECOVERY !

- Make sure and get enough protein right before you go to sleep.

- Make sure and get enough protein/carbs right when you wake up

- Make sure and get enough deep, quality sleep (Not getting enough quality sleep is the #1 newbie mistake. You should aim for at least 8 QUALITY hours of sleep per night):

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_1_pr.htm
http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/...sleep_2_pr.htm

- Make sure and get enough protein / calories on off days (This is when your body will be recovering) It is important to be consistent !

- Make sure and get proper pre and post-workout nutrition:

Carbs pre and post workout.
Protein pre and post workout.
Creatine pre and post workout:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=272067

H20 / Cell volumization:

- Make sure and drink enough water throughout the day (This is CRITICAL ! !) I drink about 1 liter per hour. (Keep in mind I am currently over 220lbs so you may not need this much) Click here to read about why this is SO IMPORTANT:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=332329
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....le=301stretch2
http://www.biochemj.org/bj/313/0697/3130697.pdf
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/author22.htm

Good luck !

Disclaimer: The above post is IN MY OPINION, or IN MY EXPERIENCE, unless otherwise noted.

[Danik]

I didn't say optimal, I said acceptable. There is a difference.

[warriors]

if your going to buy a gainer go with Cytogainer from Cytosport. Less sugar and taste alot better than N large

[NumberTwentyTwo]

check out some mrp's to take instead of a weight gainer if u wanna stay away from fat

[RB12]

I didn't say optimal, I said acceptable. There is a difference.

Agreed, I stand corrected

[Jonesyboss]

wow thanks for all the help guys, guess ill stay away from weight gainers and stick to proper foods, RB12 thanks for all the info very good advice there.

Hopefully i can get some good gains using your info, ill post back next month with the results.

Peace

[RB12]

wow thanks for all the help guys, guess ill stay away from weight gainers and stick to proper foods, RB12 thanks for all the info very good advice there.

Hopefully i can get some good gains using your info, ill post back next month with the results.

Peace

My pleasure, you should try keeping a log, you will be surprised how well a log can keep you on track and dedicated to your goals.

[specoperformanc]

if your going to buy a gainer go with Cytogainer from Cytosport. Less sugar and taste alot better than N large

Agree, Cytogainer is a good choice