So proud to be Iranian after last night... The only nation who stood up the Israeli terrorist regime.
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04-14-2024, 02:55 AM #61
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04-14-2024, 03:34 AM #64
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04-14-2024, 04:11 AM #65
My analysis is that the scale of Iran’s attack, the diversity of locations it targeted, and weapons it used, forced Israel to uncover the majority of anti-missile technologies the US and it have across the region.
The Iranians did not use any weapons Israel didn’t know it had, it just used a lot of them. But the Iranians likely now have almost a full map of what Israel’s missile defence system looks like, as well as where in Jordan and the Gulf the US has installations. It also knows how long it takes to prepare them, how Israeli society responds…etc
This is a huge strategic cost to Israel, while Arab regimes now are being blasted by their peoples, particularly the Jordanian monarchy, for not doing anything to protect Gazans but then going all out to protect Israel.
Crucially, Iran can now reverse engineer all the intel gathered from this attack to make a much more deadly one credible. While the US and Israel will have to re-design away from their current model which has been compromised. Its success in stopping this choreographed attack is thus still very costly.
Moreover, with the threat of a regional war that neither the US nor the Arab regimes want feeling nearer, it’s likely their pressure on Israel to back down will increase, making a ceasefire more feasible.
Anyone assuming this is just theatrics is missing the context of how militaries assess strategy versus tactics. Theatre is an important factor, but gathering intelligence of the “enemy’s” posture is more valuable, especially if one believes they’re in a long war of attrition.
Netanyahu and the Israel government prefer a quick hot and urgent war where they can pull in America. The Iranians prefer a longer war of attrition that bleeds Israel of its deterrence capabilities and makes it an ally for Arabs and the US that’s too costly to have.
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04-14-2024, 04:12 AM #66
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04-14-2024, 05:10 AM #67
Check out the stats:
UPDATE: IRAN MISSLE HIT/MISS RATE
331 missiles and drones launched by Iran at Israel:
- 185 out of 185 Kamikaze Drones were shot down
- 103 out of 110 Ballistic Missiles were shot down
- 36 out of 36 Cruise Missiles were shot down
- 7 Ballistic Missile impacts have been recorded on Israeli territory
Source: visegrad24
So this means Israel's air defense/missile intercept/jamming systems are stupendously amazing or Iran's missile/drone technology is sorely lacking.*Simplicity is the key to life*
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04-14-2024, 05:14 AM #68
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04-14-2024, 06:26 AM #72
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Yes, it's incredibly tragic because they could have flourished under legitimately progressive culture that shed aside a hateful, destructive, and oppressive religious cult ruling over everyone's lives.
Ever single time there has been some intervention on behalf of the US/CIA, a leader who might have been less exploitable was exchanged for a time bomb hiding a far greater evil. Even leaders talked up as bad like Sadam were at least a local counter force to the boiling Islamists who would eventually take his place. Yeah, dictators are bad, but American policy allowed something much worse to rise up out of the hubris that we could just snap our fingers and establish a stable democracy.I will stand firm, I refuse to kneel - The fury in me is divine
My dark grave awaits, my fate is revealed - But I'm not afraid to die
If you have any problems or need advice, feel free to ask
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04-14-2024, 06:41 AM #73
Because America's goal isn't to spread democracy at all. That is just rhetoric they sell to rubes. Their goal is to subjugate and decimate threats to American power and expand American control and influence. It was never about democracy at all. The American foreign policy establishment actively eliminates rising threats to American hegemony. Look what happened to Libya. Look at Iraq and Syria. And look at Ukraine, where America armed nazis to destabilize their country.
The American project isn't about democracy or spreading it. It has long ago been coopted by the capitalist class, whose sole objective is profit and their own prosperity.
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04-14-2024, 06:50 AM #74
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04-14-2024, 07:03 AM #76
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-o...s-jewish-state
"Conducted on the strength of Article 51 of the UN Charter pertaining to legitimate defense, Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus," the mission’s statement, posted on social media platform X, states.
"The matter can be deemed concluded," the mission argued.
Fukin LOL. Iran gets it's embassy leveled and their response is a bunch of drones that get shot down..now they're claiming "ok ok we consider this matter concluded"
Iran made itself look weak as ****, they don't want more Israeli smoke.Survival. When the jungle tears itself down and builds itself into something new. Guys like you and me, we end up dead. Doesn’t really mean anything. Or, if we happen to live through it, well that doesn’t mean anything either.
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04-14-2024, 07:06 AM #77
Yes, Iran are not like you savages... They only attacked military installations... If Iran wants they can flatten the whole of Israel.
This was a limited response. Iran spent 10m dollars on this attack, Israel's defence cost 1.2B.
We knocked the door... Now we have the key.
I don't think you realise how big this is and what it has done for Iran.
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04-14-2024, 07:07 AM #78
Iran should just do this until Israel is bankrupt and out of defenses then. They can call it "blowing the leaves". (Like how Israel thinks they "mow the lawn" on Palestinians.) Don't even target people so they can't escalate without being the bad guy. Just waste away their infrastructure and weaponry. Hit them in the wallet.
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04-14-2024, 07:09 AM #79
So Iran hit 1 airbase, but do we even know if anything of value was damaged?
I doubt any jets got destroyed, Israel most likely had them all in the air.
U.S, U.K, France, Saudi Arabia and Jordan all helped Israel in air defense. Kinda impressive Iran was still able to hit 1 airbase, but I wonder what the damage is
Idk, seems like a nothing burger, depends if Israel does something. Might just call it even and WW3 cancelledTsar Ivan IV Grozny:
“And if you, having a dog's mouth, want to bark for fun—that's your custom as a serf: it is an honor to you, but it is disgrace for us to think of you, let alone to snarl back at you, and there is naught worse in this world than to bark along with you, and if you want to bark, find yourself a serf like you, and bark with him."
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04-14-2024, 07:22 AM #80
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Dirty capitalist checking in...
As far as the world stage goes- and our involvement - the Truman doctrine - is the bed we made to lay in that there really is no turning back from after we were about 15 to 20 years into it.
We accepted (and retained) a leaning role of the world stage that involved a spread of influence to counteract the communism spread of influence- as well, took the commanding position for our own interest, financial interest, and self preservation.
It's easy to criticize the spread aspects of that doctrine, especially on future US leaders who pretty much were test to maintain it (even if unwillingly)- who are often unjustly criticize for such.
We can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, but we could readjust for a different kind of spread overtime.
The truth is, it's probably stopped great multiple widescale wars over the last 70 years - especially what the 80s may have been like if we didn't put ourselves in such a extravagant position of military strength.
We prevented what, probably could've been, the most bloody wars ever known to man.
My personal opinion is the Iran plan demise actually started with the 1979 Halloween massacre of the intelligence community- this left out real life human infrastructure to depleted to navigate or pivot our way into better policy- that would've been good for us and Iran.
Leaving Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in power too long was a grave blunder as well - that was easy to see- have we fixed that in the middle early 70s we would have much less problems.
But after the fall of communism in the early/mid 90s, we had another pivot point we just completely missed.“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.”
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04-14-2024, 07:25 AM #81
We instigated at least as much as we prevented, IMO. There were also several actions taken that actually harmed democracy and global stability long term in exchange for short term gains for American elites. It's really depressing. Regarding Iran, the Iranian regime isn't some group of saints either. But I do think our meddling brought about that extremism.
America absolutely should play a role in the world stage. That doesn't mean backing nazis, terrorists, and dictators and destroying prospects of democracy and liberation while ostensibly supporting it. We should be trying to eradicate poverty and sustainably develop the world. We should sign on to the SDG plans at the UN and lead the way in helping educate and develop the most impoverished and at risk countries, both because it is the right thing to do, and because it will prevent extremism from arising there and ultimately leave us and humanity far better off.
Example: Nigeria. Nigeria is a rapidly developing country, but has a lot of poverty still. There is growing extremism and criminal activity there. They need help. We could help them and turn this all around, but instead, it seems we will wait until the situation worsens and then eventually go and do something way more costly years down the road. Ditto for the war in Sahel. These are just examples of things where the US basically completely ignores the issue, and it is worsening. It will cost us more to fix later.Last edited by uneducated; 04-14-2024 at 07:34 AM.
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04-14-2024, 07:36 AM #82
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04-14-2024, 07:57 AM #88
So you are telling me their best response when 4 generals get blasted is to send 400 missiles KNOWING they would get shot down, killing only a 4 year old, and then state “aight we good bet no need to respond”
This real life? I won’t be surprised if Israel wipes 2-3 airbases OR wipe nuclear facilities off the map and tell Iran if they respond they get nuked.
Not even saying I agree with it, but who is going to stop them?I was always looking at the finger pointing at
the moon. Now I'm just looking at the moon.
And theres no me looking. Theres just looking.
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04-14-2024, 08:03 AM #89
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