If your child died from gun violence would you change your tune?

[roosky11]

The whole legal vs illegal gun carry in this country isn't changing anything obviously so we can put that argument aside. Straight tax, if your kid died from gun violence would you change your position?

This happened yesterday in my city where it was just before 5 PM in downtown and apparently one 15 year old and one 16 year saw each other from across the road and had a shootout with one another. They shot across 4 lanes of traffic at a time when people were getting off work or about to. One died and the other didn't.

Turning 2x their age this Thursday and it feels like such a damn waste. One dead and another going to go away for life, and for what? I got muh gunz. In countries where guns aren't glorified or viewed as a right of being a citizen and solving your problems meant a one on one fight face to face I'd like to think that both wouldn't have had their lives ruined.

Now before y'all freak the fuk out. What about you fathers of the Misc or regular schmo's. What if you had taken your kid or parent out to the movies (basically where this happened, there's an ice cream shop and SB next to where this happened) and a stray bullet caught and killed them? Reported more than 15-20 shots in succession.

Macho BS aside and the ****z who think CCW is a magic shield - the more you go out in public can you say you feel safer today than you did 5-10 years ago?

[latverian41]

The whole legal vs illegal gun carry in this country isn't changing anything obviously so we can put that argument aside. Straight tax, if your kid died from gun violence would you change your position?

This happened yesterday in my city where it was just before 5 PM in downtown and apparently one 15 year old and one 16 year saw each other from across the road and had a shootout with one another. They shot across 4 lanes of traffic at a time when people were getting off work or about to. One died and the other didn't.

Turning 2x their age this Thursday and it feels like such a damn waste. One dead and another going to go away for life, and for what? I got muh gunz. In countries where guns aren't glorified or viewed as a right of being a citizen and solving your problems meant a one on one fight face to face I'd like to think that both wouldn't have had their lives ruined.

Now before y'all freak the fuk out. What about you fathers of the Misc or regular schmo's. What if you had taken your kid or parent out to the movies (basically where this happened, there's an ice cream shop and SB next to where this happened) and a stray bullet caught and killed them? Reported more than 15-20 shots in succession.

Macho BS aside and the ****z who think CCW is a magic shield - the more you go out in public can you say you feel safer today than you did 5-10 years ago?

Why would it change your tune? It's not the gun that killed it was two idiots who were not brought up properly. I guess if one had stabbed the other to death with a fork you wojkd want to ban forks?

Come on dude

[Nonsense916]

Why would it change your tune? It's not the gun that killed it was two idiots who were not brought up properly. I guess if one had stabbed the other to death with a fork you wojkd want to ban forks?

Come on dude

Forgive my friend he is retarded (srs)

[MrQuint]

While I agree with Latverian that you blame the criminal, not the gun - if I lost a child to gun violence I don't know that I could pick up a gun again. Not sure I'd support taking that right away from others but I think I'd likely sell mine at that point.

[Cleveland33]

I don't carry right now because I don't feel a need to.

I feel as safe now as I ever had, and definitely feel my kid is safer from gun violence than I was at her age

And no I don't think I would change my tune because it isn't gun culture's fault that there is the amount of gun violence that there is

[latverian41]

While I agree with Latverian that you blame the criminal, not the gun - if I lost a child to gun violence I don't know that I could pick up a gun again. Not sure I'd support taking that right away from others but I think I'd likely sell mine at that point.

A gun doesn't trigger its self guys.

Im.no huge fan of guns my self but I believe on the right to carry one if you have the training and a good level head on your shoulders.

.I personally see one as.more of a.liability than an asset.. I have no need for one. Others collect and love them.

This is America. Thank god.

[MrQuint]

A gun doesn't trigger its self guys.

Im.no huge fan of guns my self but I believe on the right to carry one if you have the training and a good level head on your shoulders.

.I personally see one as.more of a.liability than an asset.. I have no need for one. Others collect and love them.

This is America. Thank god.

I believe in the right to carry them too that's why I said I don't think I'd change my tune on that but I also don't know that I could pick one up myself after losing a child to gun violence. Maybe I could but I then again maybe I couldn't.

[TCmaxxing]

To liberals:
If your daughter got raped in the female bathroom by a tranny, would that change your tune?

[AlwaysFocus]

Yes. If this happened to me I would want the law changed. I would want it to be a serious crime to murder someone. If it was self defense that is ok though.

[radrd]

To liberals:
If your daughter got raped in the female bathroom by a tranny, would that change your tune?

Yes, I'd become a tranny and only use the men's room.

[baldbrah]

What if the problem isn't the guns, but the low IQ dingers?

Do you think if guns magically disappeared they wouldn't be stabbing each other or chucking spears or something?

[1slo5oh]

Its hard to say what a person would do in any situation until you find yourself in the middle of it. Personally I don't feel as if it would change my mind on firearms simply because they are just tools that most any useful idiot can get their hands on these days regardless of what laws are currently in place OR what dumba$$ laws they try to shove down our throats in the future.

Had these kids not had guns... it could of been hammers from any hardware store... a steel pipe they found in a dumpster... or maybe those chinese throwing stars that you can find at the real ghetto a$$ flea markets..

My point is they woke up that morning and chose violence , if it wasnt guns they were using it would of been something else.

[xxAchillesxx]

No. Because chances are much better than average the gun used was either acquired illegally, or the perp was being tried as a felon for a previous crime but the lovely judges and DA's who want to try to save face lowered the punishment to a misdemeanor a part of a plea deal and he was therefore able to legally purchase the gun (even though he technically committed a felonious crime). Either way, I'd feel just as strongly about it then as I do now.

[Akd123]

Yes. If this happened to me I would want the law changed. I would want it to be a serious crime to murder someone. If it was self defense that is ok though.

not sure if sheriff.last time i checked murder was a serious crime.i was locked up with people that got 30 years for murder and no gun or weapon was involved.what a ridiculous question

[OLawdQuan]

Did not read but it depends

Was my kid murdered by a man with an illegally obtained firearm? Or was it an accident where I or some other adult failed to make sure the weapon was secured.

It’d be a yes for the latter, but my argument would come more from emotion than sound thought

[JMath]

Macho BS aside and the ****z who think CCW is a magic shield - the more you go out in public can you say you feel safer today than you did 5-10 years ago?

Doesn't that kind of go against guns being the problem. 5-10 years ago you felt safer? Gun ownership was just the same then. 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 50 years ago? Guns have always been there.

If anything is changing and causing an increase in things like mass shootings, its changes to people/society most likely. They should definitely look somewhere besides just guns if they actually want to have an impact on it.

Same old arguments. The 2a is in our constitution and it's not going away. The 2a says bear arms, not bear guns.

2a people today are slow and dumb. Muh glock, muh ar15. They willingly allow the restrictions on automatics, grenades, bombs, rpgs and everything else without realizing their ar15 doesn't do anything to protect them from the government (source: every person who shot at the cops loses).

The new warfare is drones, sonic, and ai controlled. 2a people don't have a "protect myself from the government" argument anymore, they lost that decades ago when restrictions on other weapons were allowed. Citizens can't compete with the government in today's world.

Would I change my tune if my son died to a gun? No, I blame the person not the weapon, but these gun nuts are dumb.

Ahh the ol' 'they violated your rights and you couldn't stop it, so you no longer have an argument against them overreaching even further' argument combined with the ol' 'you don't stand a chance with your AR15, so you might as well limit yourself to even less' argument.

[DesiredUserphag]

What if the problem isn't the guns, but the low IQ dingers?

Do you think if guns magically disappeared they wouldn't be stabbing each other or chucking spears or something?

This. Why are acid/van attacks and stabbings so common in the UK, I wonder hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

OP, get out of your feelings (like a woman) and use your brain/logic like a man (dfs). You live in Cali which has the most gun restrictions ever and those haven't done sht, have they?


Will never have children and will never change my mind about guns SRS /thread

[ACEofBASED]

I don't carry right now because I don't feel a need to.

I feel as safe now as I ever had, and definitely feel my kid is safer from gun violence than I was at her age

And no I don't think I would change my tune because it isn't gun culture's fault that there is the amount of gun violence that there is

Feels > facts


Gun violence number 1 cause of death for ages under 20.

You're daughter is more likely to be a victim of gun violence than you were.

[LuigiMiami631]

Are you kidding me you Elmer's glue poster boy?

Banning guns ain't going to do ****. Black market will just ramp up and **** will be even more fuked up as is.

Fuking people and their idiotic IQs thinking the gun has a brain of it's own to kill someone.

Let's ban buffalo's, Tiger's, Tylenol, Rope, etc... They all kill people to.

[leoslayer1]

No I wouldn't. Especially in that instance.

[ACEofBASED]

Are you kidding me you Elmer's glue poster boy?

Banning guns ain't going to do ****. Black market will just ramp up and **** will be even more fuked up as is.

Fuking people and their idiotic IQs thinking the gun has a brain of it's own to kill someone.

Let's ban buffalo's, Tiger's, Tylenol, Rope, etc... They all kill people to.

Then why does Europe not have the same gun violence issue?

[rectifryer]

lol okay I don't respect anyone who postulates the restriction of freedom for LAW ABIDING citizens due to the actions of criminals.

That has not, nor will it ever, make sense.

[rectifryer]

Same old arguments. The 2a is in our constitution and it's not going away. The 2a says bear arms, not bear guns.

2a people today are slow and dumb. Muh glock, muh ar15. They willingly allow the restrictions on automatics, grenades, bombs, rpgs and everything else without realizing their ar15 doesn't do anything to protect them from the government (source: every person who shot at the cops loses).

The new warfare is drones, sonic, and ai controlled. 2a people don't have a "protect myself from the government" argument anymore, they lost that decades ago when restrictions on other weapons were allowed. Citizens can't compete with the government in today's world.

Would I change my tune if my son died to a gun? No, I blame the person not the weapon, but these gun nuts are dumb.

I agree for the most part, but a lot people are just trying to hold on to what is left. Whether or not they've waited to long isn't an argument in favor of abolishing the 2A AT ALL.

[Contribution05]

Why would it change your tune? It's not the gun that killed it was two idiots who were not brought up properly. I guess if one had stabbed the other to death with a fork you wojkd want to ban forks?

Come on dude

In OP's scenario, a stray bullet or multiple stray bullets could have easily killed a child and others not involved in the fight. The likelihood of a missed fork swing (or hammer or axe) killing an uninvolved participant is slim to none. There's few weapons of choice a citizen can use at killing multiple people anywhere of their choosing (inside or outside) as a gun.

That said, I don't believe even if we had the 2A removed and guns completely banned, that it would effect gun violence all that much. Most of it is from people who own a gun illegally anyways already, and would probably just create another source of cartel money when they ship in guns that these gangs continue to use across the country. Sure it might stop the emo kid from getting ahold of a gun from his dad that had one legally but all the other gun violence would probably remain.

Same old arguments. The 2a is in our constitution and it's not going away. The 2a says bear arms, not bear guns.

2a people today are slow and dumb. Muh glock, muh ar15. They willingly allow the restrictions on automatics, grenades, bombs, rpgs and everything else without realizing their ar15 doesn't do anything to protect them from the government (source: every person who shot at the cops loses).

The new warfare is drones, sonic, and ai controlled. 2a people don't have a "protect myself from the government" argument anymore, they lost that decades ago when restrictions on other weapons were allowed. Citizens can't compete with the government in today's world.

Apparently an unarmed group of protestors almost took over the government on Jan 6.

If that was some dangerous inssurection, then i can only imagine how much more dangerous it would be if they had their guns with them. Seems they can bypass fighting the tanks and drones and just walk right up to the politicans.

[latverian41]

In OP's scenario, a stray bullet or multiple stray bullets could have easily killed a child and others not involved in the fight. The likelihood of a missed fork swing (or hammer or axe) killing an uninvolved participant is slim to none. There's few weapons of choice a citizen can use at killing multiple people anywhere of their choosing (inside or outside) as a gun.

That said, I don't believe even if we had the 2A removed and guns completely banned, that it would effect gun violence all that much. Most of it is from people who own a gun illegally anyways already, and would probably just create another source of cartel money when they ship in guns that these gangs continue to use across the country. Sure it might stop the emo kid from getting ahold of a gun from his dad that had one legally but all the other gun violence would probably remain.




Apparently an unarmed group of protestors almost took over the government on Jan 6.

If that was some dangerous inssurection, then i can only imagine how much more dangerous it would be if they had their guns with them. Seems they can bypass fighting the tanks and drones and just walk right up to the politicans.

Any time you ban anything that the majority lf society wants. It never works out good.all it does is create a black market and criminals control the black market no regulation. Criminals don't ask for i.ds. rhet just want your money.

Alcohol prohibition, drug prohibition.

It's a nightmare that has stained society

[ZyraThornrise]

I have no time to sing.
Get a gun, don't get a gun. Whatever.

I'm on the side that thinks social media is causing more gun violence than the actual ability to get guns, but that's another can of worms

[Dan_S]

Every anti-gun argument always comes down to:

"Look at all this gun crime!"

Meanwhile, they're illegally obtained guns, used in a...crime.

The person has already demonstrated that they're going to commit an illegal act. How does implementing even more laws do anything to prevent it? Maybe if we make murder super illegal, they'll stop? Regular illegal just isn't cutting it.

[ZyraThornrise]

Every anti-gun argument always comes down to:

"Look at all this gun crime!"

Meanwhile, they're illegally obtained guns, used in a...crime.

The person has already demonstrated that they're going to commit an illegal act. How does implementing even more laws do anything to prevent it? Maybe if we make murder super illegal, they'll stop? Regular illegal just isn't cutting it.

I need to finish up my project, but this is exactly it.
There's correlations with the rise of gun violence and the popularity of social media among teens, but no one talks about that, at all.

If I get bored today I'll make a graph. A n dude at my school did his final project on the various things that came out around the time school shootings became more frequent and made a really good presentation in the correlation of things like social media prevalence, the introduction of online dating and socioeconomic changes to the middle class.

[Antoine99]

Could ask you if your child's life was saved by a gun would you change your tune?

[Griggz]

No. I'm not a weak minded and emotion male.