EV Tax Incentive Income Caps are Rediculous

[mgftp]

I don't know why more people aren't talking about this. I'd honestly like a reason to force myself into a full EV, and 7500$ would do it but couples who earn over $300k aren't eligible? JLoL. How the fawk we gonna consider a couple earning $300k as too "rich" for a simple tax incentive in an economy where you need $100k a year just to buy milk and eggs? Government is so stupid. Why even put any income limit on the EV tax credit if you believe in the reason it was developed in the first place? I'll stick with gas (well probably hybrid) for my next purchase out of spite.

[Godfrd824]

Yeah, it's basically getting punished for doing the right thing.

[metroins]

If you cannot spell ridiculous, I do not think the income caps are an issue you need to worry about.

[mgftp]

Yeah, it's basically getting punished for doing the right thing.

Exactly. Work hard, pay more in taxes, get punished with ineligibility.

If you cannot spell ridiculous, I do not think the income caps are an issue you need to worry about.

Yea bro, I definitely proofread my misc posts, very important.

[Guyfawkes1010]

Thats the point stupid. They want to push the agenda and stupid people into getting them, without the govt actually having to pay that much.

[metroins]

Exactly. Work hard, pay more in taxes, get punished with ineligibility.



Yea bro, I definitely proofread my misc posts, very important.

Proofreading the word ridiculous is not a thing. Either you can spell common words or you cannot.

[mgftp]

Thats the point stupid. They want to push the agenda and stupid people into getting them, without the govt actually having to pay that much.

Toy speak like you are onto something but if they are willing to pay 7500 to get people into them, why not get more people into them? Pls explain your statement.

Proofreading the word ridiculous is not a thing. Either you can spell common words or you cannot.

You type without mistakes? On a cell phone? LoL. Nice attempt to make a stupid point, retard. Regardless, even if I can't spell and have no education, my point still stands. Income caps on these tax incentives are stupid, especially when they are so low.

[metroins]

Toy speak like you are onto something but if they are willing to pay 7500 to get people into them, why not get more people into them? Pls explain your statement.



You type without mistakes? On a cell phone? LoL. Nice attempt to make a stupid point, retard. Regardless, even if I can't spell and have no education, my point still stands. Income caps on these tax incentives are stupid, especially when they are so low.

Ridiculous was not a mistake, it was a word you did not know how to spell. Now you do.

[Procta]

protip:

incentives are only for bunk products

brb getting bribed to buy something

[goody1]

Sounds like the HARP program during the housing crisis in 2008. You could get a discount on your mortgage using the HARP program. I call and asked if my wife and I could take advantage and was informed that we made too much money and that we were current on our mortgage payments. In order for us to use the HARP program one of us had to quit our job and fall at least 4 months behind on our mortgage. Then we would be eligible. The Government hates responsibility.

[Audioslave]

I agree with OP. Income shouldn't matter. The credit should be limited to 1 person every... say 5 years or so. But there shouldn't be any income cap on it in my opinion. I don't care if you make $50k or $1 billion.

[jason_bh]

If you cannot spell ridiculous, I do not think the income caps are an issue you need to worry about.

Let's argue about the substance of OP's statement, rather than a technicality. This is why the "public square" can never agree on anything. The point should not be about grammar and spelling errors, rather it should be about our corrupt government fleecing tax payers to support their 'green agenda'.

[mgftp]

Ridiculous was not a mistake, it was a word you did not know how to spell. Now you do.

LoL, if believing that for some reason makes you feel good, have it my friend. I can't spell, or do math, or tie my shoes.

protip:

incentives are only for bunk products

brb getting bribed to buy something

EVs are bunk products? You are gonna have a hard time existing in this world in the future bro.

Sounds like the HARP program during the housing crisis in 2008. You could get a discount on your mortgage using the HARP program. I call and asked if my wife and I could take advantage and was informed that we made too much money and that we were current on our mortgage payments. In order for us to use the HARP program one of us had to quit our job and fall at least 4 months behind on our mortgage. Then we would be eligible. The Government hates responsibility.

Should just stop working altogether TBH, govt will pay for your housing and food.

I agree with OP. Income shouldn't matter. The credit should be limited to 1 person every... say 5 years or so. But there shouldn't be any income cap on it in my opinion. I don't care if you make $50k or $1 billion.

This ^

Let's argue about the substance of OP's statement, rather than a technicality. This is why the "public square" can never agree on anything. The point should not be about grammar and spelling errors, rather it should be about our corrupt government fleecing tax payers to support their 'green agenda'.

It's what he was capable of bringing to the discussion. Let's let him have it. Someone posted incorrectly to the misc, big deal.

[EEBreh]

They shouldn't have the tax incentives period. Its so stupid - the manufacturers know this and raise the price of the car to offset the incentive.

300k is pretty damn high for a couple though, especially because you should be socking away as much as you can in your 401k which brings your total net earnings down. I'd say a 200-250k cutoff is reasonable for a middle class family.

[goody1]

They shouldn't have the tax incentives period. Its so stupid - the manufacturers know this and raise the price of the car to offset the incentive.

300k is pretty damn high for a couple though, especially because you should be socking away as much as you can in your 401k which brings your total net earnings down. I'd say a 200-250k cutoff is reasonable for a middle class family.

$300K for a couple doesn't seem terribly high if you have multiple kids in year round traveling sports and other activities. Believe me. Children's sports are becoming terrible expensive.

[frankdtank20]

Hybrids make a lot more sense for awhile anyway. California will pull back their dumb law they can't fulfill for 2035 and at least include hybrids. Here is the 2023 Prius. They'd have sold twice as many if it was like this a few years back:

-194 horsepower (was what 125hp before?)
-still get 57 mg
-looks nice instead of goofy
-$27K

[Procta]

EVs are bunk products? l.

until they can sell them without giving incentives / breaks etc... basically compete on their own in the free market

[EEBreh]

$300K for a couple doesn't seem terribly high if you have multiple kids in year round traveling sports and other activities. Believe me. Children's sports are becoming terrible expensive.

I 100% believe you that childrens sports are expensive.

Aren't there tax credits for kids to offset your "annual income" though, kind of like a standard deduction?

I'll stick to my 996TT, no batteries for me.

[mgftp]

Hybrids make a lot more sense for awhile anyway. California will pull back their dumb law they can't fulfill for 2035 and at least include hybrids. Here is the 2023 Prius. They'd have sold twice as many if it was like this a few years back:

-194 horsepower (was what 125hp before?)
-still get 57 mg
-looks nice instead of goofy
-$27K

Actually have considered this and could probably swing it to maximize gas savings as long as I have another larger vehicle available in my driveway. However, the killer on that Prius for me is no factory offering for side rails or cross bars. I hope it's still to come as Toyota did have cross bars from the factory option on the previous gen.

until they can sell them without giving incentives / breaks etc... basically compete on their own in the free market

I believe EVs would be doing just fine and would still take over gas without the incentives.

[bluebeltATT]

imagine giving a $7500 tax credit on an $80,000 EV and calling that a win

[frankdtank20]

I believe EVs would be doing just fine and would still take over gas without the incentives.

I don't think EVs will be significant without a lot of changes in the battery chemistry and people can fully recharge in 10 minutes or less. Politicians trying to force them is ridiculous, especially when considering the life cycle of mining and extra supply chains makes EVs more of a polluter than petrol vehicles until they reach about 80,000 miles. Only after that are emissions saved. The big picture in EVs saving emissions will be from trucking, buses and commercial fleets. Regular consumers - marginal. And there aren't going to be enough fast chargers for a VERY long time.

That's why I say stick with hybrids until EVs are a hell of a lot more matured and most of them don't start at $50,000+. For someone with 0-2 kids I can't imagine looking at a gas only Accord or Altima now when the 2023 Prius is available. $4 gas thanks to Lefty politics isn't as big of a deal if you're getting 57 mpg.

[mgftp]

I don't think EVs will be significant without a lot of changes in the battery chemistry and people can fully recharge in 10 minutes or less. Politicians trying to force them is ridiculous, especially when considering the life cycle of mining and extra supply chains makes EVs more of a polluter than petrol vehicles until they reach about 80,000 miles. Only after that are emissions saved. The big picture in EVs saving emissions will be from trucking, buses and commercial fleets. Regular consumers - marginal. And there aren't going to be enough fast chargers for a VERY long time.

That's why I say stick with hybrids until EVs are a hell of a lot more matured and most of them don't start at $50,000+. For someone with 0-2 kids I can't imagine looking at a gas only Accord or Altima now when the 2023 Prius is available. $4 gas thanks to Lefty politics isn't as big of a deal if you're getting 57 mpg.

We are at a point where I could go either way. If I didn't do as much driving as I do with my big purchase vehicles, I'd be on the EV train already easily. I think the amount of days people drive over 250 miles per is pretty low on average, making the quick charge thing not as big of a deal as many people make it out to be, IMO. If I am taking a road trip I probably want to stop to eat or something within 250 miles anyway.

I could care less about environmental impact so I pay no attention to that. EV appeals to me due to not having to gas up, save on gas, less maintenance costs, and less hassles of maintenance and service needs.

[litljay]

https://jalopnik.com/driving-100-mil...n-i-1850031874


Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE

[Procta]

https://jalopnik.com/driving-100-mil...n-i-1850031874


Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE

EVcels on suicide watch

[frankdtank20]

https://jalopnik.com/driving-100-mil...n-i-1850031874


Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE

Quick, get more extremely intermittent sources of electricity on the grid using countless Billions of taxpayer dollars! No 24/7 nuclear power though!!

[mgftp]

https://jalopnik.com/driving-100-mil...n-i-1850031874


Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE

EVcels on suicide watch

Did you even look at how they calculated this data or just the headline? LoL .... And even with their biased calculation EV is nearly half the cost to fuel of ICE in the luxury segment. SMH, if you were trying to make a point, you made the opposite one.

[Procta]

Did you even look at how they calculated this data or just the headline? LoL .... And even with their biased calculation EV is nearly half the cost to fuel of ICE in the luxury segment. SMH, if you were trying to make a point, you made the opposite one.

shambles

[litljay]

Did you even look at how they calculated this data or just the headline? LoL .... And even with their biased calculation EV is nearly half the cost to fuel of ICE in the luxury segment. SMH, if you were trying to make a point, you made the opposite one.

I read the article, but not gonna pay for the actual report.

Did you look at how they calculated? If so, please share.

*edit: https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/26...uel-study-not/

About That Scary “EVs Cost More To Fuel” Study… NOT!

[frankdtank20]

Did you even look at how they calculated this data or just the headline? LoL .... And even with their biased calculation EV is nearly half the cost to fuel of ICE in the luxury segment. SMH, if you were trying to make a point, you made the opposite one.

Yeah crappy way to calculate. But the deadhead miles are valid. At a big shopping center nearby it's not uncommon especially on the weekends to see all of the Tesla chargers occupied and they sit fully charged while people are off shopping or eating some place nearby. That has to suck if you're someone getting low on juice. The range anxiety people have is because they know they can usually go days without thinking about getting more gas while with EV they know they'll have to be a lot more mindful of it. Having a charger at home seems the way to go.

[mgftp]

I read the article, but not gonna pay for the actual report.

Did you look at how they calculated? If so, please share.

*edit: https://cleantechnica.com/2021/10/26...uel-study-not/

About That Scary “EVs Cost More To Fuel” Study… NOT!

This looks like it answers your question.

Yeah crappy way to calculate. But the deadhead miles are valid. At a big shopping center nearby it's not uncommon especially on the weekends to see all of the Tesla chargers occupied and they sit fully charged while people are off shopping or eating some place nearby. That has to suck if you're someone getting low on juice. The range anxiety people have is because they know they can usually go days without thinking about getting more gas while with EV they know they'll have to be a lot more mindful of it. Having a charger at home seems the way to go.

If you have an EV and aren't charging at home every night you are quite simply a retard. Public charging that isn't free should be very rare for most people, probably only happening during road trips, or perhaps long outings if they have a low range vehicle. The 40% paid public charging from that article is laughable.