Alternating between strength and hypertrophy

[Farley1324]

It's completely obvious that the guy takes (to use grubs' vernacular) Vitamin S. He represents his physique as attainable by natural means and it's a lie. That is my objection.

You already cited where he told us he uses drugs.

I don't hate anything. I'm not crazy about dishonesty, though. This is the closest the good doctor came to admitting the truth: "Oh and before you ask, drugs are illegal and I don't do them. But in an alternate universe where they are legal, alternate me would do them in logical, progressive, and responsible ways with medical supervision at every step."

That is him telling us he uses drugs.

You just have a strange obsession with him based on your inability to comprehend what is being communicated by a person smart enough not to shout from the rooftops that he is breaking the law.

Big Ronnie Coleman is a cheater too because he said he just takes cell-tech ,eh? lol

[health4life24]

Who the fuk cares what’s attainable by a natural or not? Or whether someone is natural or not? There again, it’s the mentality thing. Instead of spending all this time assuming something isn’t attainable because you’re natural, or debating what is and what isn’t attainable naturally, shut the fuk up, get in the gym and lift already.

End of discussion, good day everyone.

[supramax]

You already cited where he told us he uses drugs.



That is him telling us he uses drugs.

You just have a strange obsession with him based on your inability to comprehend what is being communicated by a person smart enough not to shout from the rooftops that he is breaking the law.

Big Ronnie Coleman is a cheater too because he said he just takes cell-tech ,eh? lol

You called what I posted "ad hominem lies".

[Farley1324]

You called what I posted "ad hominem lies".

It is.

Unless you are yet to cite where he is a cheater...?

Any day now.

[supramax]

It is.

Unless you are yet to cite where he is a cheater...?

Any day now.

Talk about 'inability to comprehend'! You're the master.

[Farley1324]

Who the fuk cares what’s attainable by a natural or not? Or whether someone is natural or not? There again, it’s the mentality thing. Instead of spending all this time assuming something isn’t attainable because you’re natural, or debating what is and what isn’t attainable naturally, shut the fuk up, get in the gym and lift already.

End of discussion, good day everyone.

Because apparently a non natural coach cannot ever give legitimate advice to natural trainees lol SMH

That's why bill belichick is such a horrible head coach, he never played so he cannot possibly tell players what to do

[supramax]

Farley1324,

Your post to health4life24 demonstrates what I found out a long time ago; you don't know how to read. That's why I generally ignore your posts.

[Farley1324]

DJRipa,

If you're natty, don't take the advice of people (Israetel) that aren't.

Because apparently a non natural coach cannot ever give legitimate advice to natural trainees lol SMH

For the record

[Natty1980]

The thought process of many people today is that if someone has an above average physique or trains in a way that is out of the norm they must be enhanced. And that is precisely because people think natural athletes can do considerably less than what they actually can. In other words the potential of a natural is greater than what most people think. I think more people limit themselves and hinder their progress because this type of thinking.

Absolutely true.

[Damnentia]

Why does it matter if Mike Israetel is enhanced or not? He could be a skinny guy who's never touched a barbell, for all I care.

His advice is based on research, and on experience with coaching other athletes.

The discussion of whether he is natty or not is irrelevant to the credibility of his advice.

[daghetto]

Mike Israetel definitely has some great advice man. Start with him.

[Farley1324]

Why does it matter if Mike Israetel is enhanced or not? He could be a skinny guy who's never touched a barbell, for all I care.

His advice is based on research, and on experience with coaching other athletes.

The discussion of the whether he is natty or not is irrelevant to the credibility of his advice.

Damn straight

[etet1919]

Who the fuk cares what’s attainable by a natural or not? Or whether someone is natural or not? There again, it’s the mentality thing. Instead of spending all this time assuming something isn’t attainable because you’re natural, or debating what is and what isn’t attainable naturally, shut the fuk up, get in the gym and lift already.

End of discussion, good day everyone.

I CARE about what is attainable by a natural...because I can relate, personally. It's inspiring and respectable! That doesn't mean anyone cannot learn or implement scientific or even practical experience from other respectable and intelligent fitness/BB experts. That's all I wanted to say; sometimes it's a curse to see both sides of a "friendly debate" ...LOL.

[health4life24]

I CARE about what is attainable by a natural...because I can relate, personally. It's inspiring and respectable! That doesn't mean anyone cannot learn or implement scientific or even practical experience from other respectable and intelligent fitness/BB experts. That's all I wanted to say; sometimes it's a curse to see both sides of a "friendly debate" ...LOL.

This isn’t so much a friendly debate as one poster telling others why they can’t comprehend things or why they are wrong.

The problem is people nowadays have the mindset that you can achieve a lot less as a natural. More people hinder themselves because they think just because they are natural they can’t train a certain way or have to train with less volume, etc. Or they are worried that if they add an extra set of something they’re gonna suffer from overtraining syndrome. The fitness industry has promoted all this bull**** type thinking.

In my opinion don’t try to put an exact number on anything or have it narrowed down to a tee. Natural potential is gonna vary from person to person. Plus you have other factors like genetics, etc.

Using common sense of course there’s obvious things that you know you’re not gonna achieve as a natural. But people way underestimate their full potential as a natural.

You can’t predict what someone’s natural potential is, so why spend so much time obsessing about? Or worry about who is natural and who is not?

Look on any social media, Instagram, YouTube, etc. Whenever someone has an above average physique a handful of people are commenting accusing them of being on stuff. It’s ridiculous.

And more importantly, why do they even care? Why even make the comment? I could care less what someone else does. I’m concerned with my own training.

[rlefebvr]

HAHAHHAH,

I found the solution,

It's called "SUPERNATURAL"

Talk about perfect timing

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/supernatural-stack

[etet1919]

This isn’t so much a friendly debate as one poster telling others why they can’t comprehend things or why they are wrong.

The problem is people nowadays have the mindset that you can achieve a lot less as a natural. More people hinder themselves because they think just because they are natural they can’t train a certain way or have to train with less volume, etc. Or they are worried that if they add an extra set of something they’re gonna suffer from overtraining syndrome. The fitness industry has promoted all this bull**** type thinking.

In my opinion don’t try to put an exact number on anything or have it narrowed down to a tee. Natural potential is gonna vary from person to person. Plus you have other factors like genetics, etc.

Using common sense of course there’s obvious things that you know you’re not gonna achieve as a natural. But people way underestimate someone full potential as a natural.

You can’t predict what someone’s natural potential is, so why spend so much time obsessing about?

I agree with everything you said. "Why spend so much time obsessing about it?" It seems like a lot of nubes come on here, almost obsessively asking all these questions as to why they're not hitting their numbers "like they should," or why they're not seeing gains "like they should'......They need to understand what you just stated- that they can hinder themselves "worrying" (comparing themselves to?) about hitting exact numbers at the "exact time," and not accepting the concept that everyone gets different results with similar training. It must be DRAINING?!

[supramax]

There's no point in debating people that argue against their own misunderstandings. The level of naivety on this thread is a blessing for the supplement industry.

[etet1919]

This isn’t so much a friendly debate as one poster telling others why they can’t comprehend things or why they are wrong.

The problem is people nowadays have the mindset that you can achieve a lot less as a natural. More people hinder themselves because they think just because they are natural they can’t train a certain way or have to train with less volume, etc. Or they are worried that if they add an extra set of something they’re gonna suffer from overtraining syndrome. The fitness industry has promoted all this bull**** type thinking.

In my opinion don’t try to put an exact number on anything or have it narrowed down to a tee. Natural potential is gonna vary from person to person. Plus you have other factors like genetics, etc.

Using common sense of course there’s obvious things that you know you’re not gonna achieve as a natural. But people way underestimate their full potential as a natural.

You can’t predict what someone’s natural potential is, so why spend so much time obsessing about? Or worry about who is natural and who is not?

Look on any social media, Instagram, YouTube, etc. Whenever someone has an above average physique a handful of people are commenting accusing them of being on stuff. It’s ridiculous.

And more importantly, why do they even care? Why even make the comment? I could care less what someone else does. I’m concerned with my own training.

"Why do BBs/ fitness enthusiasts even CARE about being accused of being on gear on when they're not....on social media?" Because internet bullying could and has taken place on probably every site. Simple. Imagine dealing with that same kind of "mentality" (to a much lesser degree) at one's own gym, surrounded by regulars all training with bro splits, just like you.

I want to make certain I am staying on topic. In my old gym, most of the regulars trained in the traditional "bro split" BB fashion, and focused more on high rep training to "gain hypertrophy." Raw strength (or should I use the term absolute strength) was not the main goal, or practiced as often. When they saw a woman (me) lifting more for strength purposes, with the intent of gaining development and fitness, well......I guess most of them just wasn't used to seeing that??

[supramax]

hahahhah,

i found the solution,

it's called "supernatural"

talk about perfect timing

https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/supernatural-stack

Recommended by Doctor Mike, both here and in alternate realities!

[WolfRose7]

Recommended by Doctor Mike, both here and in alternate realities!

How about stop trolling around unless you want to back up your nonsense.

You've not posted any backed up arguments just pointless rhetoric.
You dare throw about insults to others about not reading and cop out of debate by saying

There's no point in debating people that argue against their own misunderstandings.

Your existence on these forums is a blight worse than half the misc.

[etet1919]

Jesus, I really hate when the good guys fight, srs! I don't care when the sociopathic misc. fight.....that's actually entertaining at times. LOL.

[supramax]

Jesus, I really hate when the good guys fight, srs! I don't care when the sociopathic misc. fight.....that's actually entertaining at times. LOL.

How an anal retentive moron reacts to an obvious joke, is of no consequence.

[WolfRose7]

How an anal retentive moron reacts to an obvious joke, is of no consequence.

the ad hominem is boring now.

I might actually die of shock if you ever back up a single statement.

@etet, supramax only hits on good posts cuz he just reposts tnation articles that he calls "research" never having read the actual research he manages about a 50% success rate in his thoughtless copypasta advice.

I'm pretty sure he's only avoided banning because he's probably the butt of many Mod thread lols.

[supramax]

Clearly, glute exercises are out of the question for WolfRose.

[OldFartTom]

OP will really think twice about posting here again

Health4life24 + etet1919 on spread

[health4life24]

There's no point in debating people that argue against their own misunderstandings. The level of naivety on this thread is a blessing for the supplement industry.

Negged.

There’s enough negativity on these forums and you’re the only one I see throwing insults at people.

[supramax]

Negged.

There’s enough negativity on these forums and you’re the only one I see throwing insults at people.

You are blind, then.

[KDG730]

Hey all,

Not entirely new to these forums as I've been a lurker on and off for a time. Let's get to business.

For the past 6 years I've been engaging in aerobic exercises with some weightlifting as I used to be super fat and I hit a low of 12%BF up from an ugly 35-40%BF and it worked to help me diet, but then strength training became a greater focus these past two years and the results are real. I am currently 5'10.5", 228lbs kind of on the end of my bulk and am a little over 26% BF, I went from a starting 185lb bench to a 365lb bench of 2 reps, a 225lb squat to a 550lb squat for 4 reps, and a 300lb deadlift to a 535lb deadlift for 2-3 reps. I did gain size from strength training, but not as much size as I would have liked- I do more than just the three main lifts obviously and really only reserve those for days (or weeks) that I feel I'm mentally prepared, as I try to engage every muscle I can throughout my training weeks, including quads and biceps femoris. At this point I was thinking of doing more hypertrophic exercises. Note that I have s****osis of lower back so the lift I do the least often especially these days is the deadlift.
Now let me explain my training regimen, I already combine endurance (the first two to three sets of my exercises which I hit at least 10 but may work to 20 reps) with strength (towards the end where I reserve no more than 8 reps, but usually peak to 6). I also reserve 15-30 minutes at the end of my workout for a mix of cardio- 10 min of moderate walking (followed by an occasional max treadmill sprint for 30 sec to a min), combined with 10 to 20 min of something else of my choosing such as moderate to intense elliptical, bike, hand bike, open stride, etc.\
I try to reserve one two or even three days a week for rest.
I was thinking of alternating every week or every two weeks to just focus on one or the other instead of having the weird mashup I'm accustomed to. Anyone have any suggestions? I wanna make it count the most before my bulk finishes and then have something to go by for the future.

Thanks all.

PS- I'm 24 not 49, I don't know why it says I'm twice as old as I am. But I'm sure the age matters in regards to metabolic function in this case

Why not start with the strength sets and do your higher rep (endurance) work after?

Either than or periodize it so week 1 you work in the 12-15 rep range, week 2 8-12. week 3 4-6 ETC then reset

[ElrondHubbard]

Health4life24......Have you considered being a mediator.....moderator? LOL.

Supramax, I respect your passion for intergrity!

WolfRose, I understand that superior knowledge from an authority in a specialized field may be very helpful.

I hate to see good guys fighting ....sappy?

It's fun! Jump right in there!

[ElrondHubbard]

Hey all, I appreciate the responses.
I am almost all natty, save for two months of creatine loading and use, I began in July and stopped in September of this year. I may consider finishing the container as I still have a little bit. I definitely think hypertrophy training of my lower back muscles would help stabilize that area with mild s****osis.

I'm also wondering if any of y'all have the best approach in your workouts to trimming down without losing much strength/ muscle mass for when I decide to start cutting. The process doesn't have to be a fast one. I don't mind taking many many months to get to my goal BF of 12%

Creatine is completely natty.