Election interference

[Mark1T]

This is one of the quotes from Hillary that insulted more than half of America and made them rise up:

"You know, just to be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables,” Clinton said at a rally in September. "The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And, unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

Soros can suck it.

[lotusdeva]

Rex Tillerson, chief executive at Exxon and now Secretary of State, has billions at stake due to sanctions against Russia. His deal with Rosneft (owned by Moscow in its majority) represented one of the biggest for Exxon and Russia yet - 500 billion or something close to it. After Russia intervened in Ukraine and "took Crimea back", Obama administration blocked the deal with sanctions against Russia. Rosneft lost chit load due to sanctions as well. Then Trump gets elected, Tillerson is a Secretary of State, looks like sanctions will be lifted after all? Maybe I am tripping, but 500 billion and an upper hand in US gov't seems like a legit reason to hack Or, you know, it might all be a coincidence and we are now bffs with Putin

[Corbi]

And eactly how did the Russians somehow change the election? They sure as hell didn't do it by rigging the voting machines or ballot boxes. The only thing I have read is they hacked both the RNC and DNC databases and incovered dirt which was filtered down to all of us via Wikileaks. They didn't make the $hit up and if the DNC wasn't so damn crooked they wouldn't even be concerned about it. Always want to kill the messenger instead of dealing with the message itself.

[ljimd]

And eactly how did the Russians somehow change the election? They sure as hell didn't do it by rigging the voting machines or ballot boxes. The only thing I have read is they hacked both the RNC and DNC databases and incovered dirt which was filtered down to all of us via Wikileaks. They didn't make the $hit up and if the DNC wasn't so damn crooked they wouldn't even be concerned about it. Always want to kill the messenger instead of dealing with the message itself.

Why no dirt on the RNC? You answered your own question.

[ImBunky]

Why no dirt on the RNC? You answered your own question.

Doesn't matter, we already know from posts on here that Hillary's followers didn't care what was in the emails and what the DNC was up to. So how exactly did this affect the outcome.

Either you wanted to continue with the way the Dems were taking the country or you wanted something different.

[x-trainer ben]

Doesn't matter, we already know from posts on here that Hillary's followers didn't care what was in the emails and what the DNC was up to. So how exactly did this affect the outcome.

Either you wanted to continue with the way the Dems were taking the country or you wanted something different.

It is not that simple. A hacker usually dumps info regardless of party and exposes ALL for maximum punishment( think Anonymous) to do the max damage. This was targeted, and only exposed 1 political group, with an obvious political outcome. I mean some nut traveled to DC with a gun to save kids and we are still talking about this clown here in the district.

[ljimd]

Doesn't matter, we already know from posts on here that Hillary's followers didn't care what was in the emails and what the DNC was up to. So how exactly did this affect the outcome.

Either you wanted to continue with the way the Dems were taking the country or you wanted something different.

My post was about Russian hacking. What is yours about?

[ImBunky]

My post was about Russian hacking. What is yours about?

Is your post about Russian hacking, or the influence it had on the election? Don't think it had any influence on the outcome of the election.

[ljimd]

Is your post about Russian hacking, or the influence it had on the election? Don't think it had any influence on the outcome of the election.

I have no idea if Russian hacking had any effect on the election. An investigation should shed some light on that.
Possibly trying to influence one of our democratic institutions deserves some scrutiny don't you think?

[Karl_Hungus]

Is your post about Russian hacking, or the influence it had on the election? Don't think it had any influence on the outcome of the election.

My guess is that the never-ending email scandal and the Clinton foundation corruption had a bigger impact on the election than John Podesta's emails saying she smelled like farts. It also didn't help that she told half the country that they were deplorable, racist, xenophobes.

By all means investigate how wikileaks got their sh!t, but you are barking up the wrong tree if you think Putin put Trump in the White House. Hillary did that all by her lonesome.

[Mark1T]

The way it is, we can look forward to a higher Dow, higher employment, lower taxes, lower corp taxes, more job growth with more corporation's lower taxes and coming back to the US and higher profits.

If Hillary were to be President, we would look forward to higher taxes, stunted corporate and business growth, attacks against a large segment of the population, uncontrolled immigration, higher unemployment, lower profits and another large step toward socialism.

Boggles my mind that anyone would support Hillary for anything.

Facts are not propaganda.

[Clinos]

the way it is, we can look forward to a higher dow, higher employment, lower taxes, lower corp taxes, more job growth with more corporation's lower taxes and coming back to the us and higher profits.

If hillary were to be president, we would look forward to higher taxes, stunted corporate and business growth, attacks against a large segment of the population, uncontrolled immigration, higher unemployment, lower profits and another large step toward socialism.

Boggles my mind that anyone would support hillary for anything.

Facts are not propaganda.

boom.

[lotusdeva]

The way it is, we can look forward to a higher Dow, higher employment, lower taxes, lower corp taxes, more job growth with more corporation's lower taxes and coming back to the US and higher profits.

If Hillary were to be President, we would look forward to higher taxes, stunted corporate and business growth, attacks against a large segment of the population, uncontrolled immigration, higher unemployment, lower profits and another large step toward socialism.

Boggles my mind that anyone would support Hillary for anything.

Facts are not propaganda.

FYI - Dow historically performed better under Democrats, kind of a common knowledge...

[wesleysh21]

Why no dirt on the RNC? You answered your own question.

The main stream media was heavy on that case. So no worries. I wonder if it was the Russians that made Trumps 1995 tax return magically appear?

[Mark1T]

FYI - Dow historically performed better under Democrats, kind of a common knowledge...

Not talking about the past. Talking about the future. FYI

[Brackneyc]

I'm thinking of going into the safe space business.

[ljimd]

The main stream media was heavy on that case. So no worries. I wonder if it was the Russians that made Trumps 1995 tax return magically appear?

I have no clue about DT's taxes. Your idea the Russians were involved is your own.

I'm not sure what you consider mainstream media. My post concerned the possibility of Russian hacking and their motivations.

[Mark1T]

I'm thinking of going into the safe space business.

I'll be your partner.

[Brackneyc]

If the Russians can hack our system, wtf does that say about our system.

Our government cant even hack an iPhone, and we are lead to believe the fcking Russians can pick our president via some type of hacking.

Now don't we look stupid.

[GnomusMaximus]

So only one person has answered my question.

[a-dog]

if you take the time to go back (and it is a very long, laborious process) and look at how the CIA operated during certain periods of The Cold War, you'll see that our covert military has much more power if they can perpetuate a threat against the United States. This, IMHO is exactly what is happening here. People are going out of their way to create this "boogey man" Russia thing that they blame everything on hoping to get the American public in a frenzy. It's a lot easier to blame the e-mail hack on a boogey man than it is to say "yeah, Hillary screwed up, she had an unsecured server in her house and that's why the e-mails got out there".

[DuracellBunny]

I would think investigations would be welcomed. Trump spent the last month or so before election day saying the election was rigged. You'd think he'd want the recounts and this Russian thing to be throughly vetted.

About 5 years ago in this sub forum i proclaimed that grandma's and pop's morals have died. It seems even more true today than ever before; what American citizen would care more about their own personal interests than right versus wrong? Are people so self centered so extreme, so politicized that getting to the bottom of this claim is a BAD THING? If that is the case then you need to start teaching kids an entirely different set of morals and values because that "Jesus stufff" is old news and played out. You be the judge.

It appears we have all become too partisan and tribal to believe this is a threat to ALL citizens and not merely an elixer for butthurt as some suggest.

The problem with all of this is that it has nothing to do with ensuring the integrity of the electoral process. ID's to vote, nah that's silly. Obama going on TV to tell illegals to go vote, oh that's fine. I could go on, but you get the point.

This isn't about democracy, this is about winning. Anybody piously claiming that they are worshiping at the altar of democracy is full of crap. If it wasn't this, it would be something else that they could use as a stick to beat Trump with.

Crying "democracy, democracy" whilst trying to blackmail/threaten/cajole/etc electors to vote against the electorate's wishes, all with a straight face, shows a phenomenal level of chutzpah.

If this was genuinely about democracy, I'd be all for it, but it's not. This is just the next chapter in the series "I wanted a pony!"

[Iceman1800]

If people want voter id's, make them free. Otherwise it's a poll tax.

[DuracellBunny]

If people want voter id's, make them free. Otherwise it's a poll tax.

I've said before to make them free. So you agree that all voters should be required to show ID, as long as that ID is free and not issued from a driver's license in a state that requires no ID to get a driver' license?

[Mark1T]

Let's say hypothetically someone finds a way to prove collusion between the Russian Government, the Trump Campaign and maybe the FBI director. Again hypothetical, but say it happens....what should be done?

Collusion between the Russian Government and ANY campaign to keep it fair, should be dealt with harshly.

That includes if Hillary propositioned Putin.

[Iceman1800]

I've said before to make them free. So you agree that all voters should be required to show ID, as long as that ID is free and not issued from a driver's license in a state that requires no ID to get a driver' license?

I wouldn't have an issue with it. As long as there's a way everyone over the age of 18 has the ability to get a free voter id, it seems fair.

[DuracellBunny]

I wouldn't have an issue with it. As long as there's a way everyone over the age of 18 has the ability to get a free voter id, it seems fair.

Careful, you just made a reasonable statement and used the word fair unironically. Liberals will start knocking on your door and calling you names

[Iceman1800]

Careful, you just made a reasonable statement and used the word fair unironically. Liberals will start knocking on your door and calling you names

There shouldn't be any restrictions on getting a voter id. I'm still left leaning here because it's republicans that want to put up all the roadblocks.

[DuracellBunny]

There shouldn't be any restrictions on getting a voter id. I'm still left leaning here because it's republicans that want to put up all the roadblocks.

I don't understand why a law for free voter ID has never been passed; by either side. I don't know all of the reasons why, but people on both sides of the aisle must like it the way it is.

[ImBunky]

There shouldn't be any restrictions on getting a voter id.

You mean like being a US Citizen?