Dennis Wolf made Kai look full offseason in Prague

[PaLftr]

No wonder he pulled out.

[AdamantiumYoke]

No wonder he pulled out.

Kai wasn't as good as at the O and no way was he gonna win this thing. But he did NOT look offseason !!!

[PaLftr]

Kai wasn't as good as at the O and no way was he gonna win this thing. But he did NOT look offseason !!!

Watch the video and be honest with yourself. He was a mess.

[AdamantiumYoke]

Watch the video and be honest with yourself. He was a mess.

yes he was... but saying "offseason" is an exaggeration . He was smooth n soft in the back and carried some water { he usually does at the start } but still better than many others. If he was offseason he would have been in the last callout .

[RockyTheKid]

Kai didn't look THAT bad.

Heck, I don't think he should've been placed 4th, that's for sure.

[Deano87]

Great Thread

Shawn Rhoden should be Mr.O aswell yeh

[hzx]

yes he was... but saying "offseason" is an exaggeration . He was smooth n soft in the back and carried some water { he usually does at the start } but still better than many others. If he was offseason he would have been in the last callout .

He's a proffesional bodybuilder. Has access to the best sups, nutritionists and coaches. Has ALL year to prepare for these comps that are over a few weeks and still can't get it right. I think it's a joke srs

Look at these amateurs competing in the Arnold Classic, all come in lean as hell and very dry. They have no where near the resources Kai has and they still nail it.

[AdamantiumYoke]

He's a proffesional bodybuilder. Has access to the best sups, nutritionists and coaches. Has ALL year to prepare for these comps that are over a few weeks and still can't get it right. I think it's a joke srs

Look at these amateurs competing in the Arnold Classic, all come in lean as hell and very dry. They have no where near the resources Kai has and they still nail it.

Personally I don't like him at all.. But as a combination of sheer mass n condition. He was much better than many. Atleast top 4. Many amateurs have better condition.. Right.. But they are nowhere near his size. He does not deserve Mr.O yet IMO but you have to respect what a he has achieved, this status , fans , championships n everything ( as a professional) . He might not be the best but still...
If we judge him as a pro alone on basis of statistics , he's good. As a whole , it's subjective and I too don't like him . I don't care if he wins or loses.(except at the O . I don't see him as Mr.O personally)

[Spartacus81]

Wolf gets ripped but is that right bicep injured. Jays looks better even after the tear. Look at recent pics. its flat as hell. Calves are horrible. I am a Wolf fan but he is getting worse structure wise. Hes nailing his condition. I dont think he has any chance of beating Phil. Kai has no chance. If Rhoden brings up his back and gets really dry he might have a chance. I think we have seen Kai and wolfs best. Its not good enough to beat Phil. EVER! Could someone put up pics of dennis recent FDB RDB from prague and *****.

[AdamantiumYoke]

Wolf gets ripped but is that right bicep injured. Jays looks better even after the tear. Look at recent pics. its flat as hell. Calves are horrible. I am a Wolf fan but he is getting worse structure wise. Hes nailing his condition. I dont think he has any chance of beating Phil. Kai has no chance. If Rhoden brings up his back and gets really dry he might have a chance. I think we have seen Kai and wolfs best. Its not good enough to beat Phil. EVER! Could someone put up pics of dennis recent FDB RDB from prague and *****.

Many believed Wolf's best was prague. He's just unlucky to have those shortcomings
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Personally I am ok with his arms. They are still ridiculous.

[Loastres]

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Wolfs FdB here is absolutely amazing, that width + size + conditioning + height.
shame about the calves though, would have made the physique complete.

[tom11]

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Damn, Kai is dominating everyone hard from the back (lower body included)...

[ZBlacktt]

[Ikatsu]

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Wolfs FdB here is absolutely amazing, that width + size + conditioning + height.
shame about the calves though, would have made the physique complete.

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Wolfs FdB here is absolutely amazing, that width + size + conditioning + height.
shame about the calves though, would have made the physique complete.

Too many flaws imo. His lats insert super high making his torso look elongated and ruining his V taper. It's more like a Y for Dennis. Worst arm shape out of anyone in that top 4 line-up as well. His quads are really the only thing going for him in this shot.

[AdamantiumYoke]

Wow!!! Dennis n Roelly really stand out crazy . Roelly looking the best IMO. Even his crab MM is the best in the industry for me

[MaKaiser]

^^Roelly's MM...damn!

[ZBlacktt]

Wow!!! Dennis n Roelly rrally sta d out crazy IMO

Roelly just needs to get a little more drier. He has crazy size and shape.

[PaLftr]

Roelly just needs to get a little more drier. He has crazy size and shape.

Why does his BDB look so horrible?

[AdamantiumYoke]

Roelly just needs to get a little more drier. He has crazy size and shape.

So damn great to see he is consistently coming in condition post olympia and that too back to back. He has found the correct prep formula I guess. One of the biggest guys on stage and can get striated glutes. I hope he fixes his BDB posing.

Why does his BDB look so horrible?

I think it's just his posing... He has fairly good lower lats if u see RLS. But they disappear in BDB

[ZBlacktt]

Why does his BDB look so horrible?

Well in a subjective sport where having a prefect look in every pose is hard to come by. Some just look better in those certain poses. But his shape in many poses grabs everyone's attention. He just needs Wolfs conditioning to fight for that top spot. It's clear size and shape is not matched by many.

[Ikatsu]

Well in a subjective sport where having a prefect look in every pose is hard to come by. Some just look better in those certain poses. But his shape in many poses grabs everyone's attention. He just needs Wolfs conditioning to fight for that top spot. It's clear size and shape is not matched by many.

It's a proportion issue. He has massive traps and erectors/lower back and really weak lats.

[ZBlacktt]

It's a proportion issue. He has massive traps and erectors/lower back and really weak lats.

Lower lats you mean. I'm aware I'm mean I was again with him at the O. I've tanned that back. But who's to say genetically what can be done and what cant. I mean some are narrow and certain poses don't look good at all. Some have small forearms which throws off certain poses. Some are in regression stages. You just try your best and work hard at it everyday of your career.

Btw, these guys look at themselves everyday. There's nothing we could tell them they already don't know. If it needs worked on. They are on it. But again genetically development is not the same for everyone.

[Gorky88]

Roelly needs to hit his BDB like Phil. He did that 2 years ago and made it look good.

[JaxVilleNick]

Roelly needs to hit his BDB like Phil. He did that 2 years ago and made it look good.

pics? just curious, because if my memory serves me correct he has always hit the bdb pose about the same.

[AdamantiumYoke]

Roelly needs to hit his BDB like Phil. He did that 2 years ago and made it look good.

Are you alking about this ?


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[Ikatsu]

Lower lats you mean. I'm aware I'm mean I was again with him at the O. I've tanned that back. But who's to say genetically what can be done and what cant. I mean some are narrow and certain poses don't look good at all. Some have small forearms which throws off certain poses. Some are in regression stages. You just try your best and work hard at it everyday of your career.

Btw, these guys look at themselves everyday. There's nothing we could tell them they already don't know. If it needs worked on. They are on it. But again genetically development is not the same for everyone.

Lol -_- These guys have insane genetics and put muscle on like nothing. It's a mental battle trying to correct a major imbalance like front to back and rarely have I ever seen a pro fix it. Saying it's just how his lats grow is pretty ignorant because it has to do with his training. I can only speculate but the level of heavy squatting he did in his early years could easily contribute to something like this (compression of the lumbar) which prevents proper contraction of the lats creating the illusion that he has bad "lower lats." Just so you're aware, the lats are one muscle so the top part of a rowing movement might be weak, which in turn causes incorrect development of his overall lats. It's not just a random part of the same muscle that won't grow, and makes no logical sense.

[ZBlacktt]

Are you alking about this ?

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I think it's sad to try and fit that many guys on the same stage and have them hitting each other like that, lol. But really hard to say. At this point I just want to see him go a whole year without issues. Like he did in 2013.

Lol -_- These guys have insane genetics and put muscle on like nothing. It's a mental battle trying to correct a major imbalance like front to back and rarely have I ever seen a pro fix it. Saying it's just how his lats grow is pretty ignorant because it has to do with his training. I can only speculate but the level of heavy squatting he did in his early years could easily contribute to something like this (compression of the lumbar) which prevents proper contraction of the lats creating the illusion that he has bad "lower lats." Just so you're aware, the lats are one muscle so the top part of a rowing movement might be weak, which in turn causes incorrect development of his overall lats. It's not just a random part of the same muscle that won't grow, and makes no logical sense.

Yes, we would all be speculating for sure. But to sit there and pick apart the best in the world in their sport. Well, they must be doing something right. So I guess keep watching your screen and waiting for different/better results.

[AdamantiumYoke]

I think it's sad to try and fit that many guys on the same stage and have them hitting each other like that, lol. But really hard to say. At this point I just want to see him go a whole year without issues. Like he did in 2013.

Did he do all his prep himself this year ? What about Nathan Harman ? There was some controversy after his Olympia showing ...

[Ikatsu]

Yes, we would all be speculating for sure. But to sit there and pick apart the best in the world in their sport. Well, they must be doing something right. So I guess keep watching your screen and waiting for different/better results.

Understand that he is the best in the world at putting muscle on a frame which is mostly drug response and genetics. There is no measure for "best" when it comes to training properly, and plenty of guys who are at the top make common training mistakes an average personal trainer would even correct, and it visibly translates to their physique if you know what to look for and have some physiology/human kinetics background or have done a sport like gymnastics or something where there is much more of an emphasis on training for balance. I can definitely sit here and pick apart their mistakes because whether I'm more knowledgeable than them on the subject or they don't practice what they preach, we'll never know.

[AdamantiumYoke]

There is no measure for "best" when it comes to training properly, and plenty of guys who are at the top make common training mistakes an average personal trainer would even correct, and it visibly translates to their physique if you know what to look for and have some physiology/human kinetics background or have done a sport like gymnasticsor something where there is much more of an emphasis on training for balance. .

Wasn't Roelly a gymnast before becoming a full.time bodybuilder ?