To the hguy whos freinds was killed by a police officer

[Xgamer791]

Just found out that he assaulted the officer with his own baton, if so, wtf was that police officer thinking to pull his service weapon out and open fire? I knew the police department was gonna turn it all around and make your friend seem like he deserved to die, really over getting beat down by a baton? Police officers use it all the time on people, do they deserve to die? Not sure if srs. I am not trying to start a fire storm but discuss and try and keep it civil.

IMO that officer made a mistake that cost this young student his life, and the police department is wrong for justifying it as ok. I also find it ridiculous how they waited one whole week before telling everyone that the student assaulted the officer.

Thoughts go out to his family and friends. Stay safe misc.

[.aeterna]

id love to see an injury report and/or pics of damage to the police officer

[irollurmom]

can someone cliff the story for reps?

[CaptChip40]

Pull a knife or baton on a cop and they are trained to shoot.

[MrBungle11]

Thread http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3&p=1175309823

[SuperStars]

Pull a knife or baton on a cop and they are trained to shoot.

this lol.

brb let some guy beat me with my own baton
brb think I wont kill him
brb game over

[cbclassics]

I don't get it (never followed that thread). Are you saying its ok to assault a police officer with his own baton? Why the hell would you do that??

[CherryGarciaerr]

Pull a knife or baton on a cop and they are trained to shoot.

You pull a baton on a cop and they are trained to shoot you? Doubt it. Especially if its the officers baton. Would be one thing if dude reached in his pocket and started pulling out something black, but the officer already knew exactly what kinda weapon the dude had and what damage it could do.


And the guy is just as much to blame as the cop. Why was he attacking cops in the first place? What good did he think would come of that?

[andrewkr80]

lol if anyone believes that's what really happened. Obv coverup is obv

[wannabetoughguy]

Just found out that he assaulted the officer with his own baton, if so, wtf was that police officer thinking to pull his service weapon out and open fire? I knew the police department was gonna turn it all around and make your friend seem like he deserved to die, really over getting beat down by a baton? Police officers use it all the time on people, do they deserve to die? Not sure if srs. I am not trying to start a fire storm but discuss and try and keep it civil.

IMO that officer made a mistake that cost this young student his life, and the police department is wrong for justifying it as ok. I also find it ridiculous how they waited one whole week before telling everyone that the student assaulted the officer.

Thoughts go out to his family and friends. Stay safe misc.

Self defense.... Do you really think the police officer should have whipped out his baton and had a duel with this kid?

You got to be crazy and ignorant to pull that **** on a cop.

[Xgamer791]

I haven't read the new report but police are 100% justified in shooting if they are being attacked with an impact weapon. That's taught nation wide to every officer. Officers can go one level above the force being used on them.

What do you think the officer should have done?

Taser gun? or maby even pepper spray?

[SergeyBrin]

You pull a baton on a cop and they are trained to shoot you? Doubt it. Especially if its the officers baton. Would be one thing if dude reached in his pocket and started pulling out something black, but the officer already knew exactly what kinda weapon the dude had and what damage it could do.


And the guy is just as much to blame as the cop. Why was he attacking cops in the first place? What good did he think would come of that?

itt we pretent ppl havent been beaten into comas and left for dead ever

[wdcisco]

if i was a cop and someone really stole my baton i would definitely whip out my pistol and prepare to defend myself, no question

[.aeterna]

the problem with this case is that the police department is saying that this is what happened. We have only two witnesses and one is dead.

the Dashboard cam of the cop's car "fell off" due to some malfunctioning glue

"University police vehicles are typically equipped with dashboard cameras, but Carter's vehicle joined the fleet two days before the incident, and its camera fell off the next day when a temperature change prevented the glue from setting, the school said."


take from it what you will. My thoughts when this first broke out (the first miscer's thread), was that the victim acted stupidly and assaulted the cop. I was hoping to see some hard evidence to prove this. The fact that the cam was "malfunctioning" during the incident is shady as phuck and now i'm questioning my initial judgment.



http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

[denny2008]

Read the original thread. If this is true, I can KINDA understand why the cop fired. If you're faced with a dumb and belligerent police officer, the best thing you can do is just shut up. Honestly. In the end what good will come of it? Not defending the officers actions, but if I was being beaten with a baton, I would do whatever I need to defend myself

[sabonis224]

seems pretty justified to me OP. in the officers defense I believe it is reasonable in that instance, as your being beaten on the ground with your own baton, to fear for your life. he could have beaten the officer unconscience, taken his gun, etc. what was this person thinking beating an officer anyway, you have to know that wil not end well

[certsguccicerts]

actually the report is that the officer got the baton away from him before shooting him. from what i've read. LOTS of conflicting stories coming out that makes this wreak of a cover up imo. i don't know all the details and i don't think anyone else does other than the cop right now.

[GooBaaa]

Are his finger prints on the baton?

[PoliciaLoco]

Not sure how it went down but with impact weapons used to stike the head can be considered deadly force. As a LEO you are trained to strike the meaty parts of the body, not in place where skin meets bone, especially the head. If you do use it to strike the head you should have justification to use deadly force. Also if you get hit or beat to the point where you feel that you may lose consiousness, there may be justification for the use of deadly force.

But just the fact that he had a baton and was using it doesnt tell us much.

[Mighty Matt]

Shooting in self defense is in situations where one fear's for their life.

Maybe the cop thought he was going to be killed by the baton.

[F.A.M.E.]

if i was a cop and someone really stole my baton i would definitely whip out my pistol and prepare to defend myself, no question

This. A couple of strong hits to the head with one and I'll go full potato forever.

[DRain89]

Why don't they just taze him? To me it seems like you should only really use a gun if you're going against something that can kill in 1 shot easily, gun or a knife etc. The guy looked like a lanky liberal arts major or something. I understand that an officer doesn't put his life in danger to protect the life of an aggressor, I just don't feel like that guy should be able to steal a baton, first of all, and second of all, him holding a baton should not be the image of "life in danger" to anyone who calls themselves a police officer.

After hearing multiple similar stories over the past few years, "life in danger" just seems like a phucking trump card that can be pulled out in any situation where someone isn't submitting to arrest.

[BootneckBrah]

You know you can kill somebody fairly easily with a baton right *******?

Even I know you don't phuck about with the law in Murica.

There's enough dash cam evidence of cops getting murdered, overreaction or not, the guy defended himself and the court will sort it

[wannabetoughguy]

You pull a baton on a cop and they are trained to shoot you? Doubt it. Especially if its the officers baton. Would be one thing if dude reached in his pocket and started pulling out something black, but the officer already knew exactly what kinda weapon the dude had and what damage it could do.


And the guy is just as much to blame as the cop. Why was he attacking cops in the first place? What good did he think would come of that?

The point is cops don't know what people are pulling out their pockets. It's a dangerous job and the LEOs should be taking any chances. They got families.

[SergeyBrin]

the problem with this case is that the police department is saying that this is what happened. We have only two witnesses and one is dead.

the Dashboard cam of the cop's car "fell off" due to some malfunctioning glue

"University police vehicles are typically equipped with dashboard cameras, but Carter's vehicle joined the fleet two days before the incident, and its camera fell off the next day when a temperature change prevented the glue from setting, the school said."


take from it what you will. My thoughts when this first broke out (the first miscer's thread), was that the victim acted stupidly and assaulted the cop. I was hoping to see some hard evidence to prove this. The fact that the cam was "malfunctioning" during the incident is shady as phuck and now i'm questioning my initial judgment.



http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

sketchiest thing i have ever read tho

[Xgamer791]

the problem with this case is that the police department is saying that this is what happened. We have only two witnesses and one is dead.

the Dashboard cam of the cop's car "fell off" due to some malfunctioning glue

"University police vehicles are typically equipped with dashboard cameras, but Carter's vehicle joined the fleet two days before the incident, and its camera fell off the next day when a temperature change prevented the glue from setting, the school said."


take from it what you will. My thoughts when this first broke out (the first miscer's thread), was that the victim acted stupidly and assaulted the cop. I was hoping to see some hard evidence to prove this. The fact that the cam was "malfunctioning" during the incident is shady as phuck and now i'm questioning my initial judgment.



http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

[mdc0917]

You pull a baton on a cop and they are trained to shoot you? Doubt it. Especially if its the officers baton. Would be one thing if dude reached in his pocket and started pulling out something black, but the officer already knew exactly what kinda weapon the dude had and what damage it could do.


And the guy is just as much to blame as the cop. Why was he attacking cops in the first place? What good did he think would come of that?

Been a cop for 8 years all be it in Canada and I can assure you if someone is coming at me with a baton or bat that person is getting shot. Seen Taser fail more then once a bat to the head likely means game over. I was trained to hit only arms and legs with baton(never used it other then breaking car windows) can't rely on a "bad" guy not hitting me in the head. As far as cops hitting people in head etc I am not stupid enough to say it never happens.

[SergeyBrin]

Why don't they just taze him? To me it seems like you should only really use a gun if you're going against something that can kill in 1 shot easily, gun or a knife etc. The guy looked like a lanky liberal arts major or something. I understand that an officer doesn't put his life in danger to protect the life of an aggressor, I just don't feel like that guy should be able to steal a baton, first of all, and second of all, him holding a baton should not be the image of "life in danger" to anyone who calls themselves a police officer.

After hearing multiple similar stories over the past few years, "life in danger" just seems like a phucking trump card that can be pulled out in any situation where someone isn't submitting to arrest.

i always love these comments

why didnt the guy just not attack the officer with a weapon?

[Benny_Lava]

Couldn't the cop shoot the kid in the leg though? Like multiple times is necessary?

[CherryGarciaerr]

itt we pretent ppl havent been beaten into comas and left for dead ever

Yea but why did that happen? And what race were the majority of those people?

I've seen the dude who got killed. He was a skinny white kid. And cops don't go around beating people up for no reason, they may use excessive force, but they don't pull you over, pull you out of a car, and start shooting at you for no apparent reason.