I've recently started doing these and I've been told elsewhere there're not a good thing to do.
I would be interested in what you guys might think about this.
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06-02-2008, 07:13 AM #1
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06-02-2008, 07:15 AM #2
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I've heard that along with behind the neck presses, they are ok as long as you don't go past your ears.
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06-02-2008, 07:16 AM #3
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06-02-2008, 07:16 AM #4
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If they don't bother your shoulders than go for it imo. If they do hurt, then don't.Current Supplements:
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06-02-2008, 07:30 AM #5
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06-02-2008, 08:18 AM #6
yeah, it puts your shoulders in an awkward position and i believe it leaves u susceptible to cervical strain (neck strain) because u have to lean your head and neck forward to get the bar behind your head, tahts why i dont like doing behind the neck presses.
so imo i wouldnt do them, it does hit your traps a bit more i believe, but then throwing in some shrugs would do the same thing
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06-02-2008, 08:55 AM #7
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06-02-2008, 09:13 AM #8
They do bother the rotator cuff in some people. Does this mean they're wrong for everyone - NO. If you do these and start developing problems , logically, stop doing them. If they don't bother you, God bless you.
There are many different pull up variations to choose from that get the job done. Find the ones that suit you. That's all.
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06-12-2008, 04:29 AM #9
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06-12-2008, 08:08 AM #11
even leg curls are bad for you if you do them incorrectly. Well, actually, there a lot to do with your RC (which is as overated as "overtraining") health and mobility. But no, they aren't bad. They are awesome. I have been doing them for a long time. I even do BTN shoulder press. I haven't had any problems. But of course, if it hurts in the wrong way, you gotta step back and see why it isn't working, and then correct the fault or stop the movement or whatever.
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06-12-2008, 08:46 AM #12
why not let others decide?
you act as if I have the power to stop him from ruining his shoulder joints.
(these exercise are known to be rotator cuff wreckors).
do what you like I don't care ,but if someone asks a question I give the answer I think is best.
your first sentence shows that you do like to tell me what I have to do.
but I didn't ask a question about my answer did I?
there are many older bodybuilders who got shoulder problem thanks to those exercises.
and an 18 or 20 year old may not experience problems but when you done it for years you might.
but then again
do what you like man.
I just read a lot about this stuff.
maybe the value of what I read is the same as of Donald Duck.Last edited by Noviomagus; 06-12-2008 at 08:48 AM.
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06-12-2008, 09:09 AM #13
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06-12-2008, 11:18 AM #14
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I'm not sure if it is wise to advise someone to keep doing something as long as it is not uncomfortable. There are plenty of physical exercises that are done easily and comfortably for years while they silently break down your bone/tissue to a point where you've sustained a lifelong injury.
From everything I've heard any kind of behind the neck press or pull up is potentially very dangerous. I know people who did these for years and ended up needing surgery....and they felt fine until it was at the point of no return. I say do them at your own risk, and realize that others have been seriously injured doing this exercise.SHUT UP AND LIFT
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06-12-2008, 11:24 AM #15
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06-12-2008, 11:52 AM #16
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06-12-2008, 11:52 AM #17
If you can maintain your arms perpendicular to the floor while in the bottom position, then you've got the necessary flexibility to do behind the neck pulldowns or presses. But if your arms angle forward, you'd better stay away from them. Most people actually don't have this degree of flexibility, but I've seen some who do and they've made great gains on them without any shoulder problems whatsoever.
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06-12-2008, 11:57 AM #18
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I've never been a fan of anything behind the neck. I do my pullups and military presses to the front and I've gotten good results from this.
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06-12-2008, 01:34 PM #19
possibly puts your shoulder joints in the "impingement zone". I agree though that some exercises do grind away at joints over the years and you just don't notice until it is too late. Why not just stick to pullups to the front? I wouldn't worry about the small amount of extra stimulation you may get from doing the more dangerous version which is doing them behind the head. The risk of injury isn't worth it imo.
A lot of exercises have more risks than they do benefits. behind the head pullups and behind the head presses are some of them.
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06-12-2008, 02:11 PM #20
Assuming the average weight of people on this forum is 180 to 200 lbs, that's a lot of weight to be pulling in an unfavourable position. Behind the neck pulldowns are bad enough, but when someone starts doing pullup behind the neck they're using a lot of weight from the very first set. Troubles could occur sooner than later for many because of the loads involved.
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06-12-2008, 03:13 PM #21
What does the body weight of a person have to do with it?
Either the exercise is compatible for them or not. Who's to say it's an unfavorable position for everyone? Some people respond to them very well with no problems at all. I don't think it's wise to put an absolute stamp of "no" on any exercise. Trial and error is the best teacher.
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06-12-2008, 03:25 PM #22
What does the body weight have to do with it? Are you serious?
It has everything to do with it. The behind neck position is a very unfavourable position for strength. What this means is that the exercise puts the body at a strength disadvantage due to position. If a person weighs for example 245 lbs (that's my weight), then I'd be pulling 245 lbs behind my neck for the very first set. It's an invitation for injury.
Tell me this, would you come into behind the neck presses starting at 245 lbs? Would you come into any exercise at that weight?
At 20 years of age (or was that IQ?) you'd know jack **** about what happens over time from doing risky exercises. The best teacher is commonsense, and doing stuff behind the neck doesn't make sense - for anyone.Last edited by tropo; 06-12-2008 at 03:27 PM.
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06-12-2008, 04:01 PM #23
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06-12-2008, 05:42 PM #24
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06-12-2008, 06:58 PM #25
I know people who do this exercise every week and have no problems with it at all and they are older. Behind the neck pulls or pull ups hurt my shoulders so I don't do them. However, other people greatly benefit from them. Who are you to tell them they are wrong?
BTW - You can personally attack me on my IQ but it doesn't really matter because you are obviously a bitter 48 year old f*ck.
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06-12-2008, 07:13 PM #26
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06-13-2008, 06:00 AM #27
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06-13-2008, 03:21 PM #28
Did you forget who started this IQ bull****? You can give it out but you can't take it. Let's see if you're still lifting in another 28 years. By then maybe you'll know something. Even if you don't, you'll at least know something about injuries from your trial and errors.
Last edited by tropo; 06-13-2008 at 03:28 PM.
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