Within the ‘Medicare-for-all’ debate in US, Britain sounds alarm over historic waiting lists.
Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care
Nearly a quarter of a million British patients have been waiting more than six months to receive planned medical treatment from the National Health Service, according to a recent report from the Royal College of Surgeons. More than 36,000 have been in treatment queues for nine months or more.
Long waits for care are endemic to government-run, single-payer systems like the NHS. Yet some U.S. lawmakers want to import that model from across the pond. That would be a massive blunder.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypi.../#1d3ff4d436b8
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ami...toric-waitlist
https://mises.org/wire/single-payer-...sal-healthcare
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1419339001/
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11-05-2019, 11:28 AM #1
Medicare-For-All - Britain Sounds Alarm Over Historic Waiting Lists
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are they waiting because more people are seeking medical assistance or what? if its because more people are seeking assistance, are you saying its better if people who need medical help don't receive it?
Is there no limit to what people will believe if it is prefaced by the phrase,
"Scientists say" ?
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Unfortunately I've had to spend a lot of money on health issues over the last year but one thing I remind myself is even though I've spent a lot of money (thousands of dollars) is if I make a phone call, within a few days I get whatever is needed- MRIs, CT scan, X-ray, endoscopy.....whatever. I would rather pay money and get treated than get it for free and have to wait.
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11-05-2019, 11:37 AM #9
I don't know, but Warren is losing points over it.
Thanks for the input. I don't think the majority of people in the US are satisfied with our current healthcare. It can be improved and it is complicated. However, Medicare for All scenarios are not the answer. Just the debate of social healthcare raises new ideas and solutions. I believe there will be an improvement and the US is working on the prescriptions dilemma as a start.Helping one person may not change the world, but it could change the world for one person.
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LOL at waiting 4 months for a CT scan in Europe when I can literally go get one in 30 minutes here. Yeah may be a couple hundred bucks so fukking what. With decent, and I just mean decent, healthcare plans its not even that. My wife broke her finger (bad) last year and had multiple MRIs, X-rays, Ct scans, saw the specialist 3 or 4 times, etc....she has an accident plan on her insurance and we were out of pocket $185 for the entire thing. I think that is something that Europeans who criticize US healthcare don't understand, is most of us with employer plans don't have any problems with healthcare whatsoever. Sure the insurance is expensive but so are more taxes.
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Respectfully, the costs are way much more than that. The unreal costs of over $50 Trillion, the logistics of over 300 million people including illegal aliens would break the back of the US economy in addition to the 2 million jobs lost in private healthcare. Medicare for All is already losing its appeal in the polls and among college students who are finally seeing the light. Warren is claiming that Medicare for All will be fully paid for by the richest 1%. Not true and is it ridiculous.
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Sounds like you've been listening to the alarmists trying to push for a socialist healthcare plan.
I'm in a better position with my plan because I don't pay an exorbitant amount and I can see my doctor same day if I need to. Ambulances are covered by insurance when medically needed and average annual prescription costs for those covered is $150.
What would happen if I lost my job? I'd get another. This is the United States where personal responsibility and freedom go hand in hand.
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Categorically incorrect, but I know why you think that. You only have access to 20% of the medications that we do because your government bans the expensive **** they don't want to pay for.
So while you think we are paying outrageous prices, at least we have access to every option that can save us.
And Rx cost has very little to do with the insurance companies. Big Pharma controls the cost.
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Mine is paid for by work, my wife is self employed and her plan is $260/month but its tax deductible so we get a third of it back. She has excellent coverage and benefits for that as described in the post you quoted.
For my insurance my employer probably pays about the same amount.
I don't think the US needs this giant overhaul, we just need open market competition across states for insurance and we need to regulate pharm prices and the cost of some services. Regulate malpractice suits.
Almost ALL of the difference in expenses between the US and other countries are in senior citizens. And guess what, the US already runs healthcare for the elderly with medicare. What does that tell you?
It tells me that the US government would be a disaster running healthcare for everyone.
Something that is never talked about and should be. So, a huge portion of US healthcare expenses are outpatient and a huge portion of that is elderly. That means assisted living facilities, nursing homes, live in nurses, hospices, things like that. Its something like 30-35% of ALL healthcare spending. I don't know how common those things are in the UK or other places in Europe, I don't know if they are added in the same way when reporting healthcare per capita/etc....but if you look at the chart above, and you look at pharm prices....its a pretty FUKKING EASY CONCLUSION as to where we could drastically cut expenses in a couple key areas and bring us in line with the rest of the world. And it doesn't take a hair brained $50 trillion plan to do it.Stern Crew
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