RANT; What would you do for a Klondike Bar? CALL IT LIKE YOU SEE IT.

**uhockey** · 09-10-2007, 03:32 PM

First of all, I would like to apologize to Ryan and the board for violating the rule leading to my banning yesterday. I understand the point of this rule and do indeed support the concept, though perhaps not aspects of its implementation.

Before getting to the point of this thread, here is the rule so no one else is in violation: 2. Company Reps may NOT talk about other company's products in a negative way. They can not discuss other brands or people that work at other companies negatively. END OF DISCUSSION. If you want to bash other products, DON'T become a company rep or do it on your own forum. It IS okay to discuss ingredients and formulations. For example, you can say why you believe CEE sucks, but not why Optiversal CEE sucks.

Regarding my banning, A) I'm not a rep. B) A mod inferred my intent was "attack" when I simply posted quotes by a user and quotes by a band. Was it attacking? I left that for inference. Regardless, I apologize for my vagueness. This thread will be anything but vague.

Whether you love me or hate me, the TRUTH is that I will stand up for what I believe in, and I believe in the truth. When I began with DS I told Matt I would never lie nor promote a product I didn't believe in, and I never have. I told him I would never promote a product I hadn't used, and I never have. I told him I would only comment on the things I knew and the things I felt comfortable discussing, and I always have. I don't claim to know everything, but I stand behind the things I say.

Unfortunately, others are not like me. I won't name names, but I've been in the presence of company bigwigs who stated they 'didn't care' that a product was dangerous because 'they had good lawyers,' as well as persons who admitted that an ingredient had NO benefit other than 'people like to feel something, and they like long ingredient lists.' It makes me sick. Additionally, now we have people who once downgraded a product acting as reps for the product, women who have never used a steroid promoting/recommending PHs and PSs, and people who've never even taken a biology course recommending products that alter physiology. For shame.

The point of this thread is to ask questions of the reps (or anyone) regarding their behaviours, actions, and morals. I will keep this thread bumped until the questions are answered and I STRONGLY URGE those of you who can (non-reps) to call bull**** when you see bull****.

The lies need to stop, and if I'm not allowed to do it, I'll certainly do my part to keep them visible.

I thank you all. Let's clean these place up.

**ncangey0513** · 09-10-2007, 03:35 PM

In. I like your train of thought, Mike. Things have been getting out of hand lately.

**MattyH7688** · 09-10-2007, 03:38 PM

excellent post

**fates_child03** · 09-10-2007, 03:40 PM

You've always been a class act Mike. what I've always liked about you most is you won't pimp a product regardless of who makes it unless it is a tried and true product that you've used and seen good results. Some of us around here still value honesty and appreciate the people willing to give honest feedback on products.

**uhockey** · 09-10-2007, 03:41 PM

Thanks guys, but this thread isn't about me, it is about the people out there who aren't playing fair.

**ncangey0513** · 09-10-2007, 03:49 PM

I have more than a few things that I wish I could voice right now. It's really tempting, but not worth it. It makes me wish I wasn't a rep for a few minutes. Maybe I'll resign for five minutes, vent, and then come back. Hopefully the others will do their jobs in this thread if it stays open long enough.

**fates_child03** · 09-10-2007, 03:54 PM

I've never had a problem being an ass when its needed so I'm looking forward to this.

**leonidas300** · 09-10-2007, 04:00 PM

You are without a doubt a jerk, but a jerk with integrity, and I can respect that.

**uhockey** · 09-10-2007, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by ncangey0513

I have more than a few things that I wish I could voice right now. It's really tempting, but not worth it. It makes me wish I wasn't a rep for a few minutes. Maybe I'll resign for five minutes, vent, and then come back. Hopefully the others will do their jobs in this thread if it stays open long enough.

I imagine people like EMISGOD will have plenty to say.

People like haiz, iterloculator (sp?), cxm, leoniadas and others with balls and no ties may join, as well. I hope.

**ncangey0513** · 09-10-2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by leonidas300

You are without a jerk, but a jerk with integrity, and I can respect that.

You know you have more than a few things to say. Let it out, brother. I know you like to say what's on your mind.

**kieltyka34** · 09-10-2007, 04:04 PM

sorry about what happened uhockey..

i guess i'm up for any questions or scrutiny

**haiz69** · 09-10-2007, 04:08 PM

What gets me the most, Is some peoples ability to completely "love" products based solely on being a rep for that company.

I won't say anything in particular, but when someone signs on with a company as a rep and starts pimping ALL of their products, generally ones they haven't used, it gets to me.

I can understand if they had recommended that companies products prior to being a rep, but pimping a product without ever using it or only liking it because they are a rep, is complete BS.

**Elliptical Envy** · 09-10-2007, 04:10 PM

I'm down for the cause. I'd like to see this board cleaned up as well.

**MattyH7688** · 09-10-2007, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by haiz69

What gets me the most, Is some peoples ability to completely "love" products based solely on being a rep for that company.

I won't say anything in particular, but when someone signs on with a company as a rep and starts pimping ALL of their products, generally ones they haven't used, it gets to me.

I can understand if they had recommended that companies products prior to being a rep, but pimping a product without ever using it or only liking it because they are a rep, is complete BS.

if i am ever caught pimping and spewing pure bull**** i expect to be negged by everyone

**Elliptical Envy** · 09-10-2007, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by MattyH7688

if i am ever caught pimping and spewing pure bull**** i expect to be negged by everyone

Red boxes coming your way!

**Giggety Giggety** · 09-10-2007, 04:17 PM

Uhockey for Supp Mod!

**haiz69** · 09-10-2007, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Giggety Giggety

Uhockey for Supp Mod!

Seconded.

**haiz69** · 09-10-2007, 04:29 PM

I would also like to ask sixpack what he thought of your post uhockey, as he never seemed to address the very valid (IMO) points that you brought up.

**Giggety Giggety** · 09-10-2007, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by haiz69

I would also like to ask sixpack what he thought of your post uhockey, as he never seemed to address the very valid (IMO) points that you brought up.

**MattyH7688** · 09-10-2007, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by haiz69

I would also like to ask sixpack what he thought of your post uhockey, as he never seemed to address the very valid (IMO) points that you brought up.

i dunno he kinda got caught with his pants down...

what can you really say to uhockeys post, it was all quotes from sixpack

**ncangey0513** · 09-10-2007, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by haiz69

What gets me the most, Is some peoples ability to completely "love" products based solely on being a rep for that company.

I won't say anything in particular, but when someone signs on with a company as a rep and starts pimping ALL of their products, generally ones they haven't used, it gets to me.

I can understand if they had recommended that companies products prior to being a rep, but pimping a product without ever using it or only liking it because they are a rep, is complete BS.

Aww, man! That's the point of this thread. I want to see some callouts, even if it's me who gets called out. It's time to get to the bottom of this, and without naming who is doing what wrong, then I don't think we'll be getting anywhere.

**MattyH7688** · 09-10-2007, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by ncangey0513

Aww, man! That's the point of this thread. I want to see some callouts, even if it's me who gets called out. It's time to get to the bottom of this, and without naming who is doing what wrong, then I don't think we'll be getting anywhere.

fine ill start...

ncangey has been the worst rep i ever seen... pimping MST products in every thread...

**ncangey0513** · 09-10-2007, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by MattyH7688

fine ill start...

ncangey has been the worst rep i ever seen... pimping MST products in every thread...

LOL.

meh, i can't help it. (not that you're serious, matty, but if you are) in all honesty if ANY of you indeed thing i pimp MST products, just show me.

that is the kind of answer we need, though.

**uhockey** · 09-10-2007, 04:46 PM

Looks like this is just gonna get derailed.

And, FWIW, Matty would have been BANNED for that comment if he were serious.

**kieltyka34** · 09-10-2007, 04:48 PM

not pointing fingers, but it seems as though the reps with less knowledge about products/supplements tend to pimp much more.

**ncangey0513** · 09-10-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by uhockey

Looks like this is just gonna get derailed.

And, FWIW, Matty would have been BANNED for that comment if he were serious.

I think it's on the right track, kind of. There just needs to be more people contributing.

**uhockey** · 09-10-2007, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by ncangey0513

I think it's on the right track, kind of. There just needs to be more people contributing.

There's a whole world of quotes out there.

**MattyH7688** · 09-10-2007, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by ncangey0513

LOL.

meh, i can't help it. (not that you're serious, matty, but if you are) in all honesty if ANY of you indeed thing i pimp MST products, just show me.

that is the kind of answer we need, though.

haha.. i was kidding

Originally Posted by uhockey

Looks like this is just gonna get derailed.

And, FWIW, Matty would have been BANNED for that comment if he were serious.

sorry for the derailment

I really do miss being able to talk about other companies though.. i guess non affiliated members are gonna have to pick up the slack

**leonidas300** · 09-10-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by uhockey

Looks like this is just gonna get derailed.

And, FWIW, Matty would have been BANNED for that comment if he were serious.

Seriously if you have concerns that you can not voice due to the draconian new restrictions, I will be more than happy to be the voice for the oppressed. It is what I do every day at my job anyway. Just shoot me a PM anytime.

**leonidas300** · 09-10-2007, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by uhockey

I imagine people like EMISGOD will have plenty to say.

People like haiz, iterloculator (sp?), cxm, leoniadas and others with balls and no ties may join, as well. I hope.

Here is my plan, just add a JK and

or maybe a

after your post, and it is acceptable and within the boards rules.

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