How much does govt monitor people

[Duckliver]

Obviously there’s lots of incompetence and it seems BS like things hunter biden is up to gets overlooked a lot and his dads the president etc..

But let’s say you have an immediate relative who works directly for sec defense or something. Do you think there’s some pencil pusher who keeps track of things their relatives say on the internet.

[SirFapsAIot]

Obviously there’s lots of incompetence and it seems BS like things hunter biden is up to gets overlooked a lot and his dads the president etc..

But let’s say you have an immediate relative who works directly for sec defense or something. Do you think there’s some pencil pusher who keeps track of things their relatives say on the internet.

probably depends on the level of information the asset has access to or is given

[200StabWounds]

you literally have to tell them everything every year when you do taxes

your phone is constantly pinging off towers so they can track your every movement

[Ironmanlet]

I feel like none of us could ever know that.

[Duckliver]

probably depends on the level of information the asset has access to or is given

Makes sense

you literally have to tell them everything every year when you do taxes

your phone is constantly pinging off towers so they can track your every movement

Nah I mean do the relatives of the person get extra monitoring

Also it’s not just that your fukkin tire pressure censors are constantly pinging locations and stuff too.

I feel like none of us could ever know that.

Yeah but would you tone down criticisms and chit postings just incase it affected your relative.

[dopamine72]

The Edward Snowden drama happened back around 2010 I believe? Pretty rusty on the dates here..

But if the government has been listening to us/tracking us over a decade ago just imagine what the fuk they're doing now..

My guess is its probably AI + algorithms being used to collect data and google is a key player

[SirFapsAIot]

Also it’s not just that your fukkin tire pressure censors are constantly pinging locations and stuff too.

wat

[Duckliver]

wat

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Uh sorry Reddit link

Was a more recent wired article about how the system has developed into full fledged tracking

https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/s/m9YqoUJTZP

[Ironmanlet]

Makes sense



Nah I mean do the relatives of the person get extra monitoring

Also it’s not just that your fukkin tire pressure censors are constantly pinging locations and stuff too.



Yeah but would you tone down criticisms and chit postings just incase it affected your relative.

So it seems you are talking more about individuals who have close associations with the government and potentially access to classified information, not the general population, I understand. See sig, I didn’t read your post.


In the beginning there is an extensive and significant background check. Everything about your life will identified and investigated to determine if you are a threat of any form. Including things like information that could be used to blackmail you, or bad financial issues, the idea of course is there is motive there to give away government secrets for personal benefit.


Families will be looked at, but I don’t think any trolling on an online forum from a relative you never talk to would be a concern.


I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about and could be 100% wrong.

[jonmcd46]

they don't actively track you unless there's a reason to. too many randos to monitor, not enough resources...
why would they care about the relatives? You aren't special just because you know someone who works for someone important...
I'm sure plenty of people posting on the misc have TS security clearances
They do randomly track you though for training, like your texts internet history etc. one dude found out his wife was cheating on him via a random spying, and got arrested after he called her out

[GaloisTheory]

No, lol. Unless you're tied up in a counterintelligence investigation, they don't even care about you beyond regular continuous evaluation requirements. There is also nothing special about family either. They would be just as concerned about your best friend as your brother. But in reality, they don't care about either. There's not enough money, manpower, or value in trying to keep tabs on that many low risk people.

[LogicalLifts]

The average person is watched a lot less than people think - this is why massage parlors / trafficking and similar crimes go unpunished for so long.

But some who are engaging in illicit behavior are under way, way more surveillance than they think.

100% ded fkn srs.

[bigbtree]

They do whenever they want. Sometimes you might not even be doing anything illegal and they will tap into your phone or pc to "study" you psychologically. Like say you are watching some really freaky weird porn, there might be a CIA or google guy watching you through your phone's cam sitting there jotting down notes.

[theory816]

Doesn't really matter if they monitor you. You can easily fool them because anything they take from the net can be taken out of context.

[latverian41]

They keep their ear close to the ground. In ways you would never even consider. If you could then they would not be very good at what they do now would they?

Ill.leave it at that.

[elterrible987]

yes and no.

There are 330 people officially in the US, probably another 20 million illegal mexicans.


if youre a random pleb even a random pleb with a security clearance there is nobody actively monitoring you. But if you do something that really gets their attention then you will be monitored and here is the thing... they already have your data from before they noticed you. They already record every email, every phone call, text message, everything, maintain that forever legally without requiring a warrant. the secret fisa warrant is then issued to allow them to "look at" the data they already have and only if youre a US citizen so they can look at the data without a warrant unofficially. They also are not required to tell you or anyone they got the warrant.

[latverian41]

yes and no.

There are 330 people officially in the US, probably another 20 million illegal mexicans.


if youre a random pleb even a random pleb with a security clearance there is nobody actively monitoring you. But if you do something that really gets their attention then you will be monitored and here is the thing... they already have your data from before they noticed you. They already record every email, every phone call, text message, everything, maintain that forever legally without requiring a warrant. the secret fisa warrant is then issued to allow them to "look at" the data they already have and only if youre a US citizen so they can look at the data without a warrant unofficially. They also are not required to tell you or anyone they got the warrant.

That's the good thing about digital finger prints. They NEVER go away.

Some fools either seem to forget that or just flat out never knew it to begin with.

[elterrible987]

No, lol. Unless you're tied up in a counterintelligence investigation, they don't even care about you beyond regular continuous evaluation requirements. There is also nothing special about family either. They would be just as concerned about your best friend as your brother. But in reality, they don't care about either. There's not enough money, manpower, or value in trying to keep tabs on that many low risk people.

this, There are 4 million people with security clearances and like 25% of that is top secret clearances, with 1.3 million people having TS. They do not have agents assigned to monitor 1.3 million people individually. I wouldnt be surprised though if they get AI to monitor the data from the continuous evaluations to flag people for manual reviews. The banks already have software monitoring people for odd patterns of transactions and are required to report them to the government.

[Paul Kreul]

Someone made a thread about how many murderers were associated with this website..so I'm sure all of us here are fuked

[elterrible987]

That's the good thing about digital finger prints. They NEVER go away.

Some fools either seem to forget that or just flat out never knew it to begin with.

yeah anyone want to look it up you can see from whistle blower in like 2001 way before Snowden, talked about there was an internal debate at the NSA, whether to only start recording data once they identify a suspect or to just record everything so that they have it to go back and look at it at any time and they choosed the record everything and mentally gymnastic'd it with "well its ethical because we wont look at it unless we get a warrant" which the whistle blowers in the decade after proved they didnt even do that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willia...ence_official)


Its pretty insane if you think about it, they literally record every single email and phone call and all internet traffic, that is such a massive amount of data and is incredibly expensive to do.

[latverian41]

yeah anyone want to look it up you can see from whistle blower in like 2001 way before Snowden, talked about there was an internal debate at the NSA, whether to only start recording data once they identify a suspect or to just record everything so that they have it to go back and look at it at any time and they choosed the record everything and mentally gymnastic'd it with "well its ethical because we wont look at it unless we get a warrant" which the whistle blowers in the decade after proved they didnt even do that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willia...ence_official)


Its pretty insane if you think about it, they literally record every single email and phone call and all internet traffic, that is such a massive amount of data and is incredibly expensive to do.

It's not Every phone call text or email it's certsin keywords that get flaged.

I don't pretend to know anything. That's basic common knowledge really.

Power as a whole is not bad. It's how certain individuals use that power that turns it from a good thing to a bad thing.

[latverian41]

yeah anyone want to look it up you can see from whistle blower in like 2001 way before Snowden, talked about there was an internal debate at the NSA, whether to only start recording data once they identify a suspect or to just record everything so that they have it to go back and look at it at any time and they choosed the record everything and mentally gymnastic'd it with "well its ethical because we wont look at it unless we get a warrant" which the whistle blowers in the decade after proved they didnt even do that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willia...ence_official)


Its pretty insane if you think about it, they literally record every single email and phone call and all internet traffic, that is such a massive amount of data and is incredibly expensive to do.

If it's on Wikipedia and the internet you can be certain it's false propaganda. Lies or at the very least just half truths and usually a mixture of all the above

At least when it comes to this subject

[NextPound]

Depends on their level of clearance. They only care if the individual working could be compromised. Debt is a big red flag.

[theory816]

Depends on their level of clearance. They only care if the individual working could be compromised. Debt is a big red flag.

Nuke clearence.

[theraskal]

I'm personally looking forward to the SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE system when the "when we wuz vikangz/spartunz" hypocrites HATING on the "astronauts" get EXPOSED for their FAUX RIGHTEOUSNESS and HYPOCRISY

[LuigiMiami631]

Unless you pose a threat to them, they will monitor you much closely and prosecute you for any BS reason.

[latverian41]

Unless you pose a threat to them, they will monitor you much closely and prosecute you for any BS reason.

Hmm. Yeah.


NO ONE in their right mind would ever buck horns with the Goverment. You would have to be a fool on a kamikaze raid.

The worst kind of fool

[LuigiMiami631]

Hmm. Yeah.


NO ONE in their right mind would ever buck horns with the Goverment. You would have to be a fool on a kamikaze raid.

The worst kind of fool

Either that or you support trump or you were a boston tea part member or storm the capitol, etc...

Sad state we are living in where you can't even question your own government without being prosecuted or killed.

[latverian41]

Ahh some of you take this stuff way too serious. There is no deep state there Is no illuminati

Get real. It's called security. Every country does it.

There is no conspiracy lol

[LtGoose]

Birds are government drones and record your every move outside.