**OFFICIAL** Trading and Investing Thread- Part -VIII-

[JalexM]

you up for the year?

kind of sort of
Only really been trading from july on than the beginning of the year
PCLN is going back down so I'm safe from in inhibitions

[White-Belt]

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one my best trades of the year

300 pips and running



started the trailing stop process

feelgoodmayne.jpg

edit:

dat feel when can't post jew rubbing hands gif correctly


brb need some coffee

Mein negger

[thetrebel]

kind of sort of
Only really been trading from july on than the beginning of the year
PCLN is going back down so I'm safe from in inhibitions

Just wondering because maybe 2k isn't a lot for some people. But % wise 500 to 2000 is huge.

If your up for the year, why not just play smaller and protect your gainz?

Mein negger

looks like holding longer is where its at


just went long usd/cad highs are being broken

[Barn01]

one my best trades of the year

300 pips and running

started the trailing stop process

feelgoodmayne.jpg

Awesome but don't start counting money until it's realized .... I'm sure you already know that by now. 300pips are some srsly nice pips ... I hope you can realize even more!

[thetrebel]

Awesome but don't start counting money until it's realized .... I'm sure you already know that by now. 300pips are some srsly nice pips ... I hope you can realize even more!

fuk!

already bought the jet ski

[BigDawg69]

one my best trades of the year

300 pips and running



started the trailing stop process

feelgoodmayne.jpg

edit:

dat feel when can't post jew rubbing hands gif correctly


brb need some coffee

i got you

[Tekkendo]

Foook me

Grumpy Cat Has Earned Her Owner Nearly $100 Million In Just 2 Years
http://www.businessinsider.com/grump...-years-2014-12

[GabrielNovar]

^^ what......the......fuk....

on a side note where is our rally!?

[JalexM]

Just wondering because maybe 2k isn't a lot for some people. But % wise 500 to 2000 is huge.

If your up for the year, why not just play smaller and protect your gainz?

I do. but After I take out some to cover my initial deposit I seem to lose it all. Mostly on PCLN I only traded PCLN this last two weeks and BIDU which I made 300% on but PCLN is contention for me.

[Tekkendo]

^^ what......the......fuk....

on a side note where is our rally!?

Who promised you a rally?

S&M session has started. lolz

[Tekkendo]

I do. but After I take out some to cover my initial deposit I seem to lose it all. Mostly on PCLN I only traded PCLN this last two weeks and BIDU which I made 300% on but PCLN is contention for me.

Google position sizing.

[thetrebel]

i got you

mah hittah

got u on spread

Foook me

Grumpy Cat Has Earned Her Owner Nearly $100 Million In Just 2 Years
http://www.businessinsider.com/grump...-years-2014-12

LMAO

^^ what......the......fuk....

on a side note where is our rally!?

USD weakness this morning

its all good new highs by the end of the year

[woodbarry]

Anyone else getting a sinking feeling about HAL?

Literally everyone and their mother are pumping haliburton promoting it as a huge energy company that couldn't possibly fail that has still for some reason dropped waaaay down due to oil dropping?

Perhaps those who have copious amounts of money in it know better than we do exactly what the company is worth? I have no idea, but it seems weird that everyone is saying buy haliburton and yet the price is still going down significantly.

[Barn01]

Foook me

Grumpy Cat Has Earned Her Owner Nearly $100 Million In Just 2 Years
http://www.businessinsider.com/grump...-years-2014-12

LOL I just saw this come up on my FB

"Her fame spread rapidly especially once she was taken up by Ben Lashes — an "internet cat" agent.

The frown has proved irresistible on social media for 521,000 followers on Instagram and 255,000 on Twitter."

I'm not sure if I'm more surprised by the half million Insta followers (that's more than most pornstars) or the fact that there's a career as an internet cat agent!

[Barn01]

Anyone else getting a sinking feeling about HAL?

Literally everyone and their mother are pumping haliburton promoting it as a huge energy company that couldn't possibly fail that has still for some reason dropped waaaay down due to oil dropping?

Perhaps those who have copious amounts of money in it know better than we do exactly what the company is worth? I have no idea, but it seems weird that everyone is saying buy haliburton and yet the price is still going down significantly.

Follow the money, not the rumour.

[condorhb60]

Pulled 100 shares out of AWK today for a 23.7% return before whatever commission WF will take. Put them into FBIOX now that it had its December distribution and dropped a little over 8%. It's a long-term move, but I feel I got a pretty good play out of it.

[GabrielNovar]

Who promised you a rally?

S&M session has started. lolz

I have my whips/mask ready

[xRedStaRx]

Not just you but others too and I've said this before ... I hate the distinction that is made here and other places about trading and investing differences. In the stock market you are always TRADING. Even if I hold the security for 5yrs, it's still a trade that was made to buy and will take a trade to sell it. What people really mean is time duration trading.

- Scalping
- Day Trading
- Short Term (<1mth)
- Mid Term (1mth -> 1yr)
- Long Term (>1yr)

It's all INVESTING. Something like buying an income property would be more of an investment purchase, or investing in a startup businesses, either your own or maybe angel investing.

I know people are going to cont to use the two terms improperly but I'm just having one of those mornings I suppose.

You're the first person I've seen who generalizes the distinction. One of the big distinctions between an investment and holding to trade is time frame, or at least that's one of the main desired purposes. An investment is usually free from speculation, unlike trading. Remember what ol'Graham's definition of security investment is. For example, an event driven hedge fund is a trading fund, due to the speculative nature of it's activity.

http://moneymorning.com/2014/10/29/w...st-rates-rise/

Brown found that stocks declined in only three out of the 16 periods of rising interest rates. What's more, the average return for the S&P 500 when rates climbed the most was 12.62% – slightly higher than the 12% return for all periods.

Additionally, since1971 there have been seven periods when the Fed has raised rates. In each of those, the markets actually gained an average of 19.21%.

Barn beat me to it. The stock market is a leading indicator. If anything, the rate hikes are chasing the stock market, not the other way round.

[Tekkendo]

LOL I just saw this come up on my FB

"Her fame spread rapidly especially once she was taken up by Ben Lashes — an "internet cat" agent.

The frown has proved irresistible on social media for 521,000 followers on Instagram and 255,000 on Twitter."

I'm not sure if I'm more surprised by the half million Insta followers (that's more than most pornstars) or the fact that there's a career as an internet cat agent!

This shiete never changes. No one ever goes broke betting on the stupidity of the masses.

[Tekkendo]

You crazy boi.

That's what the compliant officer said too...

[jack3d_brah9]

Anyone else getting a sinking feeling about HAL?

Literally everyone and their mother are pumping haliburton promoting it as a huge energy company that couldn't possibly fail that has still for some reason dropped waaaay down due to oil dropping?

Perhaps those who have copious amounts of money in it know better than we do exactly what the company is worth? I have no idea, but it seems weird that everyone is saying buy haliburton and yet the price is still going down significantly.

HAL is falling due to about every E&P company announcing CAPEX cuts for 2015. In addition, there will be considerable pressure from the operators to reduce service cost resulting in lower margins for the service companies. We are in kind of a limbo where oil prices are low but service costs are still high, which is bad for E&Ps and there will be a lot of pressure for companies like HAL and SLB to reduce prices moving into next year (operators hold the real power here)

[Tekkendo]

http://moneymorning.com/2014/10/29/w...st-rates-rise/

.

Brown found that stocks declined in only three out of the 16 periods of rising interest rates. What's more, the average return for the S&P 500 when rates climbed the most was 12.62% – slightly higher than the 12% return for all periods.

Additionally, since1971 there have been seven periods when the Fed has raised rates. In each of those, the markets actually gained an average of 19.21%.

"...A September 2013 study by Rob Brown of United Capital Financial Advisors illustrates this. Brown found that historically, rising interest rates haven't necessarily caused stock prices to drop.

In his research, Brown looked at stock performance in 12-month periods since 1920 when interest rates had gone up the most. He left out periods during recessions to make the study more applicable to current economic expansion......."

Yeah.. lolz

What they are alluding to is the Three Steps and A Stumble. First few rate increases wouldn't necessary hurt. The recession that follows would. lol

[jackedguy87]

gold again spikes over $1200...gold bears are showing exhaustion. gold didnt stay down on the gold vote, and didnt stay down on the jobs report. so if "bad" news doesnt bring it down, what will?

[White-Belt]

Anyone else getting a sinking feeling about HAL?

Literally everyone and their mother are pumping haliburton promoting it as a huge energy company that couldn't possibly fail that has still for some reason dropped waaaay down due to oil dropping?

Perhaps those who have copious amounts of money in it know better than we do exactly what the company is worth? I have no idea, but it seems weird that everyone is saying buy haliburton and yet the price is still going down significantly.

I think the entire industry is going to be fooked for a while, maybe for years, too many producers

[JalexM]

Google position sizing.

It's not the size that's the issue, it's that since it's pcln the calls 50$ out of the money already cost one hundred dollars, but if it decides to move you'd make 2000%. unless it's half way through the week, then you can get the calls cheap but that only gives you one or two days for it to run up 50$. The issue is it does it all the time, but if you don't catch it on the right week, even if it breaks and hits your variables and targets.
Like two weeks ago, PCLN broke out of a important channel with a R around 1175, and went up to 1183, the next major R would've been 1189 but it said **** it and crashed down hard.
So my issue is a PCLN issue and not my normal trading issue. Even with 2-4k in my account I never trade more than 250.
If I traded other stocks then I wouldn't have lost that much. I'm basically even compared to my deposit but ****ing PCLN, not falling charts, not following the market(unless it wants too) and generally screwing over option traders.
Of course I'm going to trade it again because the thirst is real.

[Tekkendo]

It's not the size that's the issue, it's that since pcln the calls 50$ out of the money already cost one hundred dollars, but if it decides to move you'd make 2000%. unless it's half way through the week, then you can get the calls cheap but that only gives you one or two days for it to run up 50$. The issue is it does it all the time, but if you don't catch it on the right week, even if it breaks and hits your variables and targets.
Like two weeks ago, PCLN broke out of a important channel with a R around 1175, and went up to 1183, the next major R would've been 1189 but it said **** it and crashed down hard.
So my issue is a PCLN issue and not my normal trading issue. Even with 2-4k in my account I never trade more than 250.
If I traded other stocks then I wouldn't have lost that much. I'm basically even compared to my deposit but ****ing PCLN, not falling charts, not following the market(unless it wants too) and generally screwing over option traders.
Of course I'm going to trade it again because the thirst is real.

Position sizing means to capitalize your account to the proper size so that you can sustain the repeated losses while waiting for the big winners to hit.

[JalexM]

Position sizing means to capitalize your account to the proper size so that you can sustain the repeated losses while waiting for the big winners to hit.

You'd be surprised how many trades I've done in the last 2 weeks. (hint more than 50)
I wish Aapl and google never split, PCLN AAPL and GOOG where some of the only stocks that myself and a few others would repeatedly put in a low amount and come out with tens of thousands of dollars on a regular basis.
Now aapl is still volitle but I barely pay attention to it. Google barely moves anymore and PCLN doesn't follow charts and seem to forgot what momentum means.

[badbart]

gold again spikes over $1200...gold bears are showing exhaustion. gold didnt stay down on the gold vote, and didnt stay down on the jobs report. so if "bad" news doesnt bring it down, what will?

Time

[badbart]

I

"...A September 2013 study by Rob Brown of United Capital Financial Advisors illustrates this. Brown found that historically, rising interest rates haven't necessarily caused stock prices to drop.

In his research, Brown looked at stock performance in 12-month periods since 1920 when interest rates had gone up the most. He left out periods during recessions to make the study more applicable to current economic expansion......."

Yeah.. lolz

What they are alluding to is the Three Steps and A Stumble. First few rate increases wouldn't necessary hurt. The recession that follows would. lol

Of course you if you look at the chart when rates start to rise is usually the last leg of the bull market and its and usually very rapid rise then dramatic fall. 2005-2007, 1999-2000, 1988-1989

[StevieMe]

The fed cuts rates to try and lessen the damage during the bear markets.