Official Android Thread Part 2

[mrawdtsi]

What sold you? I am curious about the new Iphone. If this was a S3 = 4G LTE + quad core, it wouldn't even be up for debate. Iphone seems to always be way the **** more expensive + its less user friendly. Maybe not the right choice of words but, your forced to use ****ty Itunes and chit. Also, you can clock your Android and mess with it a bit. I have wanted a S3 for sometime. I am curious about the new Iphone and the up coming Nexus~!

the amount of customization, rom switching, adjusting clock speeds on android devices FAR outweighs the perceived coolness of the iphone 5 imo.

i was really expecting more from apple and frankly am a bit let down.

[themadgreek187]

decided to upgrade my OG EVO and get the EVO LTE. my city has LTE so im cool with it.

[saaltydog]

That's not the point. The point is that generally people don't use that much so for the vast majority their bill drops when they switch over. You guys act like this is new but only the smaller companies with tiny networks still have unlimited data. Every company is dropping it and for most people it makes more financial sense to share pooled data at a lower cost than to pay 30 dollars per phone for unlimited.

I'm not against having unlimited data. I'd prefer it myself. That's not the point. The point is that for most people it is completely meaningless. I watched a guy bitch and moan about losing it because a family member switched the plan and after looking up his data usage he was using like 300mb a month. These people fight for their data plan like it's some kind of special treasure when most people don't use it in the first place. Doesn't it suck that it isn't offered anymore? Sure, but it's unfortunately the way the industry is going and I was just pointing out that most people don't need to worry about it.

One question than. Why build an LTE network? It was built because of video. You do realize that to stream one movie on Netflix on your phone will eat up a couple of gigs. Or video chatting for half an hour. The LTE network is useless if people can't use it for what its for. Its absurd and its obvious Verizon has you brainwashed. Just the way they want it.

I don't really care what you or Verizon says thr average person uses. The average user is something that is changing daily. More and more people are using their phones for things they haven't in the past. Which means more data usage.

I would of rather had Verizon not build an LTE network. It cost them billions and its worthless. I would rather have 3G unlimited data and a lower phone bill. Than 4G that I can't use and a higher phone bill. Let's be reality for browsing there isn't much of a difference between 3G and 4G

[kingscross]

the amount of customization, rom switching, adjusting clock speeds on android devices FAR outweighs the perceived coolness of the iphone 5 imo.

i was really expecting more from apple and frankly am a bit let down.

lulz, Apple would have had to pull something major from the hat to beat the best Android devices and they didn't.

[LiveOnce]

Hey guys,

Debating between the s3 and htc one x...I use my phone to mostly text, surf Internet, play some games, talk just a little bit...what is my best bet? Having a hard time paying $200 for a phone...

[mrawdtsi]

One question than. Why build an LTE network? It was built because of video. You do realize that to stream one movie on Netflix on your phone will eat up a couple of gigs. Or video chatting for half an hour. The LTE network is useless if people can't use it for what its for. Its absurd and its obvious Verizon has you brainwashed. Just the way they want it.

I don't really care what you or Verizon says thr average person uses. The average user is something that is changing daily. More and more people are using their phones for things they haven't in the past. Which means more data usage.

I would of rather had Verizon not build an LTE network. It cost them billions and its worthless. I would rather have 3G unlimited data and a lower phone bill. Than 4G that I can't use and a higher phone bill. Let's be reality for browsing there isn't much of a difference between 3G and 4G

Point of clarification here.

NO, you will not eat upa couple gigs streaming a netflix movie. In fact, you should not use more than a couple hundred MBs tops.

Netflix uses a proprietary "on the fly" transcoding rack(s) that uses device detection to see what native resolution you are requesting based on device, then transcodes the video to the proper format, all on the fly. This generally reduces the file delivery size by factors of 10.

the amount of data netflix uses to stream a video is NO different on 3G or 4G LTE, its 100% dependant on your devices native resolution. Netflix delivers video very well over 3G, I kinda know, since they use our private network to make it possible...

[jamestown0101]

the amount of customization, rom switching, adjusting clock speeds on android devices FAR outweighs the perceived coolness of the iphone 5 imo.

i was really expecting more from apple and frankly am a bit let down.

True. People were talking about sensory keyboard that shoots out and video projector iphone5.

Is this real life right now?

Clearly not the case. We get sold out dated phones and older technology and charged up the ass for it before the good **** comes out but, its always back dated. The cool thing about iphone is that they clone tons of games so, its like a console but hand held. Its cool though not worth the price of admission.

[saaltydog]

Point of clarification here.

NO, you will not eat upa couple gigs streaming a netflix movie. In fact, you should not use more than a couple hundred MBs tops.

Netflix uses a proprietary "on the fly" transcoding rack(s) that uses device detection to see what native resolution you are requesting based on device, then transcodes the video to the proper format, all on the fly. This generally reduces the file delivery size by factors of 10.

the amount of data netflix uses to stream a video is NO different on 3G or 4G LTE, its 100% dependant on your devices native resolution. Netflix delivers video very well over 3G, I kinda know, since they use our private network to make it possible...

According to Verizon's site. Streaming 1 hour of HD video will eat up 2 GBs.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...latorPopup.jsp

Whether Netflix is different or not I'm not sure. However my point stands. There are plenty of ways to eat through a ton of data just from normal usage.

Btw there is a difference between 3G streaming and 4G streaming when it comes to Netflix.

EDIT: Also if I hook my phone up to my TV and streaming a movie HD that would change the amount of data right?

[mrawdtsi]

According to Verizon's site. Streaming 1 hour of HD video will eat up 2 GBs.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...latorPopup.jsp

Whether Netflix is different or not I'm not sure. However my point stands. There are plenty of ways to eat through a ton of data just from normal usage.

Btw there is a difference between 3G streaming and 4G streaming when it comes to Netflix.

it depends on who is serving the video and their transcoding (if any) methods.

Netflix is a customer of mine, I've personally been onsite and seen the behind the scenes and know exactly how it works. I can see down to individual device how much data on average a video serves to each user in my UNIX graphs daily. There is absolutely NO difference between ANY carrier or network (3G or 4G LTE in terms of mobile data used to stream the same video)

It is in Netflix's best interest to engineer their delivery this way, because when serving large objects across a CDN, they are charged by GB delivered. Obviously they want to minimize that, and save costs.

you dont have to believe me, but my engineers built the system netflix uses to achieve this sort of large object delivery....

[Answer1o1]

So pissed right now. Dropped my S3 last night accidentally and the screen cracked pretty bad. Fuarrkkk brahs! What can I do? My friend said it's $200 to replace. That's not even worth it.

[saaltydog]

it depends on who is serving the video and their transcoding (if any) methods.

Netflix is a customer of mine, I've personally been onsite and seen the behind the scenes and know exactly how it works. I can see down to individual device how much data on average a video serves to each user in my UNIX There is absolutely NO difference between ANY carrier or network (3G or 4G LTE in terms of mobile data used to stream the same video)

It is in Netflix's best interest to engineer their delivery this way, because when serving large objects across a CDN, they are charged by GB delivered. Obviously they want to minimize that, and save costs.

you dont have to believe me, but my engineers built the system netflix uses to achieve this sort of large object delivery....

lol not arguing with you. I clearly stated Im not sure. Also I think you misunderstood me. You keep trying to make the point data wise streaming 3G or 4G its the same. Which is obvious. When I say there is a difference I'm talking about quality.

Also can you explain why during their test they show a lot more data being used than others while streaming Netflix.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/25200...data_hogs.html

[repsDTGdaily]

it depends on who is serving the video and their transcoding (if any) methods.

Netflix is a customer of mine, I've personally been onsite and seen the behind the scenes and know exactly how it works. I can see down to individual device how much data on average a video serves to each user in my UNIX graphs daily. There is absolutely NO difference between ANY carrier or network (3G or 4G LTE in terms of mobile data used to stream the same video)

It is in Netflix's best interest to engineer their delivery this way, because when serving large objects across a CDN, they are charged by GB delivered. Obviously they want to minimize that, and save costs.

you dont have to believe me, but my engineers built the system netflix uses to achieve this sort of large object delivery....

their bit stream i guess is so low that it doesn't matter on either network, but is it the same as PC streaming where if you have a ****ty connection they downgrade the quality to keep the stream active and unglitched?

[freeburn]

yeah, i liked having unlimited because when i'm at work i stream alot of video game tournaments through twitch.tv app. i don't do it nearly as much now that i am not on unlimited anymore. kind of sucks.

that being said though when i don't stream at work i only average about 1.2 gb of usage

[repsDTGdaily]

yeah, i liked having unlimited because when i'm at work i stream alot of video game tournaments through twitch.tv app. i don't do it nearly as much now that i am not on unlimited anymore. kind of sucks.

that being said though when i don't stream at work i only average about 1.2 gb of usage

one guy mentioned he was doing 75 to 100 GB per month of usage. surprising that is allowed.

[mrawdtsi]

lol not arguing with you. I clearly stated Im not sure. Also I think you misunderstood me. You keep trying to make the point data wise streaming 3G or 4G its the same. Which is obvious. When I say there is a difference I'm talking about quality.

Also can you explain why during their test they show a lot more data being used than others while streaming Netflix.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/25200...data_hogs.html

my apologies, then i guess i misunderstood.

That "on the fly media transcoding" is a recent addition. (last few months) And just now we are seeing in Netflix's traffic graphs to mobile the difference in total GBs delivered. Why did PC world get that result? i am not sure. I also do not know how they accounted for the data accurately as most smartphones run multiple tasks in the background also chewing through data.

i dont think it was a controlled experiment.

what i am sure of, are the averages that netflix publishes to us on a weekly basis showing end user consumption per movie/per user. which shows no difference at all, and averaging ~ 213.7MB per user.

their bit stream i guess is so low that it doesn't matter on either network, but is it the same as PC streaming where if you have a ****ty connection they downgrade the quality to keep the stream active and unglitched?

The transcoding done in the netflix bricks works completely independently and much differently than the PC or Smart TV apps.

[chevro1et]

We have any Walk Through's in this thread or anywhere else on how to install jelly bean, i wanna join da JB CREW!!!

Check this. http://www.sammobile.com/2012/09/14/...test-firmware/

[InfiniteRage]

anyone else not impressed by the iphone 5?


i think im going to wait for the note 2, iphone 8 and nexus phones should be announced by the time its released, so ill have the option to compare.

[BigFoigg]

anyone else not impressed by the iphone 5?


i think im going to wait for the note 2, iphone 8 and nexus phones should be announced by the time its released, so ill have the option to compare.

Not impressed lol… expected more of an upgrade and I'm almost 100% sure that Android market share will go up during this generation of iPhones. That being said, I pre-ordered a few off the Apple site to resell on Ebay/Craigslist yeee

[InfiniteRage]

Not impressed lol… expected more of an upgrade and I'm almost 100% sure that Android market share will go up during this generation of iPhones. That being said, I pre-ordered a few off the Apple site to resell on Ebay/Craigslist yeee

smart move, those iphones will be worth alot more outside the us/canada.
only problem is they made like 4 iphone 5 models with different antenas, so the american version might not even work in europe.

[mrawdtsi]

Not impressed lol… expected more of an upgrade and I'm almost 100% sure that Android market share will go up during this generation of iPhones. That being said, I pre-ordered a few off the Apple site to resell on Ebay/Craigslist yeee

doubtful

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...e-5-preorders/

Just how many iPhone 5s did Apple sell since pre-orders began in the wee hours of Friday?

We don't have a number, but the company now says it was off the charts.

"Preorders for iPhone 5 have been incredible," an Apple spokeswoman told AllThingsD. "We've been completely blown away by the customer response."

New preorders for the device began being pushed back earlier today. Apple was the first to do so, exhausting its initial supply of launch day deliveries within the first hour of going on sale. The carriers, including AT&T and Verizon followed, extending new orders by two or more weeks.

[BigFoigg]

doubtful

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57...e-5-preorders/

Good news for my resale plan. And I'm talking about the entire year or so that it's out… look at the specs, and all the features. You'd have to be a hardcore Apple fanboy to say the i5 is better than the S3

[mrawdtsi]

Good news for my resale plan. And I'm talking about the entire year or so that it's out… look at the specs, and all the features. You'd have to be a hardcore Apple fanboy to say the i5 is better than the S3

i dont disagree with you. Timing was perfect for apple. Those who bought the 4, were up for upgrade. And frankly for an iphone user, just having 4G LTE is huge.

it doesnt surprise me at all, really.

i pre-ordered a white 64GB for my wife this morning. ill give you guys feedback when she gets it.

[mick25]

Hey guys,

Debating between the s3 and htc one x...I use my phone to mostly text, surf Internet, play some games, talk just a little bit...what is my best bet? Having a hard time paying $200 for a phone...

can't go wrong with either. s3 has an extra gig of ram than the one x though

So pissed right now. Dropped my S3 last night accidentally and the screen cracked pretty bad. Fuarrkkk brahs! What can I do? My friend said it's $200 to replace. That's not even worth it.

warranty? if you rooted and flashed a custom rom, just flash back to stock

[InfiniteRage]

winning!!

[CSpanky]

i pre-ordered a white 64GB for my wife this morning. ill give you guys feedback when she gets it.

Don't you dare switch back to the dark side :P


Switched to Verizon today. They said most stores don't keep stock of the 32 GB's so they had to order it. Was really upset, been on a flip phone for a couple weeks waiting. My dad was pretty upset, he hates change (just uses a regular flip phone, hates all these smart phones) and even though price wise it would of been the same on at&t or verizon, he seemed to wanna stay with at&t.

I just want my phone after paying $250 for it haha. Really hope I don't regret this switch to Verizon

[TheMarshall]

For any brahs that have a girl that has an iPhone and always bugs you about emojis, you can download chomp sms, go sms, and a few others and use the emojis in texts.

[Dirk__Diggler]

Don't you dare switch back to the dark side :P


Switched to Verizon today. They said most stores don't keep stock of the 32 GB's so they had to order it. Was really upset, been on a flip phone for a couple weeks waiting. My dad was pretty upset, he hates change (just uses a regular flip phone, hates all these smart phones) and even though price wise it would of been the same on at&t or verizon, he seemed to wanna stay with at&t.

I just want my phone after paying $250 for it haha. Really hope I don't regret this switch to Verizon

No regrets, just 120%

[JCDub]

For any brahs that have a girl that has an iPhone and always bugs you about emojis, you can download chomp sms, go sms, and a few others and use the emojis in texts.

nah chomp sms is gay as phuck brah.. if you want a non poverty app get GOSMS pro (for free on the play store) and get the emojii plugin for it.

[anonymous]

nah chomp sms is gay as phuck brah.. if you want a non poverty app get GOSMS pro (for free on the play store) and get the emojii plugin for it.

GOSMS used to be awesome when it just came out and Handcent was still the known one. But now GOSMS is so bloated up with features you need to pay for.

[bballbrett5]

Alright so just got an HTC One X...seems really great so far. Is there a comprehensive source to show me all the stuff I should do now i.e. apps, customization, cool things to do, etc? Youtube or written guides? Preesh