2017-2018 Orders Part 4: 12 Scoops of Protein, Manlets and Sprinkled Doughnuts

[gbullock32]

what are we talking about here?

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pom-not-so-wonderful/

[Misctake7]

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pom-not-so-wonderful/

Lets be serious for a minute, something like POM is not going to boost test levels as much as a natural testosterone booster will boost them. It will be marginal. So anything being noticed from a ever so slight increase in test levels is really placebo. Like I said, maybe a small slight increase, but not enough you'd notice anything. Take POM along side all the other proven natural testosterone boosting extracts and supplements and you might have something noticeable, but POM along....no.

[dailob]

sister in law went to japan for a couple of weeks and brought back a number of various flavored kit-kats

the one that stood out the most was this one... Butter flavored lol

and yes, it did taste like butter with wafers mixed in

not sure how i really feel about this but it was definitely interesting haha

[dougefresh93]

[img]butter/img]

sister in law went to japan for a couple of weeks and brought back a number of various flavored kit-kats

the one that stood out the most was this one... Butter flavored lol

and yes, it did taste like butter with wafers mixed in

not sure how i really feel about this but it was definitely interesting haha

When i went over there for work, I had a custard pudding kit kat, which was maybe the best candy bar i ever had, also a green tea kit kat, which was maybe the worst candy bar i ever had.

[BenBlue]

Been sleeping well this week and training has been going great. Awesome sessions the last two days. After all my heavy work I high repped at 225. Got to 20 and said **** it lol **** burns like no other. Will try for 25-30 reps next time as I def felt like my body could handle more but my mind wasn't having it. Still very happy with the session, hit a triple at 410 and easy double at 425 as my top sets, both felt like RPE's of 8-9. Love squat day when my form is on.

[Jammer02xd]

You are a ****ing beast Ben. I on the other hand am really feeling the squats this morning lol I used last week to try and ease myself into things with this week being the start of 5/3/1. My chest isn't really sore but damn if my legs aren't. Of course.... that could also be a factor of having access to new machines I wasn't used to but I'm groaning everytime I get up from my desk.

Today's been a good freaking day so far. I got my business cards at my new job which isn't a big deal to most but I've NEVER had my own so my first thought was:



and bid my first job here which was at the US Naval Academy.

[mccyjcb]

You are a ****ing beast Ben. I on the other hand am really feeling the squats this morning lol I used last week to try and ease myself into things with this week being the start of 5/3/1. My chest isn't really sore but damn if my legs aren't. Of course.... that could also be a factor of having access to new machines I wasn't used to but I'm groaning everytime I get up from my desk.

Today's been a good freaking day so far. I got my business cards at my new job which isn't a big deal to most but I've NEVER had my own so my first thought was:



and bid my first job here which was at the US Naval Academy.

I started 5/3/1 this week too. and like you, my chest isn't too sore but damn if my legs are. Widowmaker sets are a b#### lol. My mind is not nearly strong enough to do those

[Farley1324]

I started 5/3/1 this week too. and like you, my chest isn't too sore but damn if my legs are. Widowmaker sets are a b#### lol. My mind is not nearly strong enough to do those

What template?

[Misctake7]

Today's been a good freaking day so far. I got my business cards at my new job which isn't a big deal to most but I've NEVER had my own so my first thought was:

Just got my name tag for the trade show I'll be going to in Vegas the first week of March. Should be interesting. I loved my first trip to Vegas, but this is more for work.

[dougefresh93]

You are a ****ing beast Ben. I on the other hand am really feeling the squats this morning lol I used last week to try and ease myself into things with this week being the start of 5/3/1. My chest isn't really sore but damn if my legs aren't. Of course.... that could also be a factor of having access to new machines I wasn't used to but I'm groaning everytime I get up from my desk.

Today's been a good freaking day so far. I got my business cards at my new job which isn't a big deal to most but I've NEVER had my own so my first thought was:



and bid my first job here which was at the US Naval Academy.

now u can enter those card in for free happy hours and lunch

[OT2000]

Just got my name tag for the trade show I'll be going to in Vegas the first week of March. Should be interesting. I loved my first trip to Vegas, but this is more for work.

Work trips to Vegas are the best

[mccyjcb]

What template?

T-nation article titled "5/3/1 for Hardgainers." Which has each lift being trained differently. For example, Week 1: Squat: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5+, 65%x20 (widowmaker); Bench: 5x5 @ 85%; Deadlift: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5+, 5x5 @ 65%; Press: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5, 10x5 @ 65%.

I think, in my mind, it makes more sense to train the lifts differently. But it does keep the same progression scheme. And I'm going to do BBB, not the assistance work outlined in that article. Started at 50% for this mesocycle.

And lol..my conventional dead is so weak. Hit a max of 380lb last week, but pulled 496lb sumo at my meet in December. Least to say I'm going to be training sumo for at least a couple cycles. Literally, my conventional and squat are at the same maxes.

[Farley1324]

T-nation article titled "5/3/1 for Hardgainers." Which has each lift being trained differently. For example, Week 1: Squat: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5+, 65%x20 (widowmaker); Bench: 5x5 @ 85%; Deadlift: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5+, 5x5 @ 65%; Press: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5, 10x5 @ 65%.

I think, in my mind, it makes more sense to train the lifts differently. But it does keep the same progression scheme. And I'm going to do BBB, not the assistance work outlined in that article. Started at 50% for this mesocycle.

And lol..my conventional dead is so weak. Hit a max of 380lb last week, but pulled 496lb sumo at my meet in December. Least to say I'm going to be training sumo for at least a couple cycles. Literally, my conventional and squat are at the same maxes.

Don't worry, I squat more than I deadlift (well, maybe they are dead even now, not sure)

[AMeyer9]

Lets be serious for a minute, something like POM is not going to boost test levels as much as a natural testosterone booster will boost them. It will be marginal. So anything being noticed from a ever so slight increase in test levels is really placebo. Like I said, maybe a small slight increase, but not enough you'd notice anything. Take POM along side all the other proven natural testosterone boosting extracts and supplements and you might have something noticeable, but POM along....no.

Bro... feels don't lie.

[BenBlue]

You are a ****ing beast Ben.

Thanks big guy. It's a long process but we're all getting stronger!

T-nation article titled "5/3/1 for Hardgainers." Which has each lift being trained differently. For example, Week 1: Squat: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5+, 65%x20 (widowmaker); Bench: 5x5 @ 85%; Deadlift: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5+, 5x5 @ 65%; Press: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5, 10x5 @ 65%.

I think, in my mind, it makes more sense to train the lifts differently. But it does keep the same progression scheme. And I'm going to do BBB, not the assistance work outlined in that article. Started at 50% for this mesocycle.

And lol..my conventional dead is so weak. Hit a max of 380lb last week, but pulled 496lb sumo at my meet in December. Least to say I'm going to be training sumo for at least a couple cycles. Literally, my conventional and squat are at the same maxes.

Don't worry, I squat more than I deadlift (well, maybe they are dead even now, not sure)

Far as I can tell it's not super uncommon for someone to squat more than they dead or be around the same. I've seen a few stats where the squat was the big one. In any case, you're obviously built for the sumo mccyjcb and it's a legal lift for a reason, so run with it!

[AfroPope]

My Squat still lags behind my deadlift but it's ENTIRELY a form issue. I did months of PT trying to fix some weird muscle imbalances and now I'm at a dedicated powerlifting gym getting coaching so I can really push through this year. I can still increase weight on deadlift pretty regularly, squats are all over the place in terms of adding/subtracting weight.

[BenBlue]

My Squat still lags behind my deadlift but it's ENTIRELY a form issue. I did months of PT trying to fix some weird muscle imbalances and now I'm at a dedicated powerlifting gym getting coaching so I can really push through this year. I can still increase weight on deadlift pretty regularly, squats are all over the place in terms of adding/subtracting weight.

I feel like you haven't posted in a while!

Awesome that you're at a dedicated PL gym. Jelly. I do find squat mechanics to be harder to master as well. I can deadlift over 100 lbs more than I squat. I attribute it to body type.

[danielmoo]

Squatting either feels awesome or like crap for me depending on the day, never in-between. No idea why. I love the movement

[BenBlue]

Squatting either feels awesome or like crap for me depending on the day, never in-between. No idea why. I love the movement

Def know those feels.

[SLynn46]

Squatting either feels awesome or like crap for me depending on the day, never in-between. No idea why. I love the movement

Def know those feels.

Same for me, and also same with deadlifts.

I've always just chalked it up to being a CNS thing with those lifts since they're both very taxing.

[AfroPope]

I feel like you haven't posted in a while!

Awesome that you're at a dedicated PL gym. Jelly. I do find squat mechanics to be harder to master as well. I can deadlift over 100 lbs more than I squat. I attribute it to body type.

Yeah, just been a busy couple of months for me! And yeah, my local LA Fitness closed down and Kabuki Strength was the same distance in the opposite direction for not a whole lot more money, figured it was a sign to switch.

Might be a body type thing, too. I have a very long torso and very short legs?

Squatting either feels awesome or like crap for me depending on the day, never in-between. No idea why. I love the movement

Yup, some days I'm knocking on almost three plates for reps and some days two plates feels like trash. Can't make heads or tails of it.

[mccyjcb]

Don't worry, I squat more than I deadlift (well, maybe they are dead even now, not sure)

Wait...that's a thing? :P Now I don't feel so worried

Far as I can tell it's not super uncommon for someone to squat more than they dead or be around the same. I've seen a few stats where the squat was the big one. In any case, you're obviously built for the sumo mccyjcb and it's a legal lift for a reason, so run with it!

It just seems odd that could be the case..but that's clearly just from my lack of knowledge of PL stats. Hmmmm maybe you're right.. I guess why train something that I'm not necessarily built for.

[gbullock32]

Sweet, thanks to Trump's new tax plan I got $150 more on this check. More money to spend on stimms!

[VO2Maxima]

T-nation article titled "5/3/1 for Hardgainers." Which has each lift being trained differently. For example, Week 1: Squat: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5+, 65%x20 (widowmaker); Bench: 5x5 @ 85%; Deadlift: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5+, 5x5 @ 65%; Press: 65%x5, 75%x5, 85%x5, 10x5 @ 65%.

I think, in my mind, it makes more sense to train the lifts differently. But it does keep the same progression scheme. And I'm going to do BBB, not the assistance work outlined in that article. Started at 50% for this mesocycle.

And lol..my conventional dead is so weak. Hit a max of 380lb last week, but pulled 496lb sumo at my meet in December. Least to say I'm going to be training sumo for at least a couple cycles. Literally, my conventional and squat are at the same maxes.

Yeah not uncommon to squat more than you pull, especially for squat specialists and big squatters.

I agree that it makes sense to train the three lifts differently. Doubt anyone can handle the same deadlift volume as they can for bench, for example. I can't pull sumo two weeks in a row, really, nor can I pull from the floor (either variation) every week.

Treat conventional as an accessory for sumo. (Not saying to do it for high reps after sumo, but as a variation to do to bring sumo up...I would probably treat it the same way as low rep good mornings, as a main lift variation). No need to focus on it as it's not going to be your competition pull, but improving it will strengthen your posterior chain, which will still bring up your sumo and your squat.

[crpav]

Sweet, thanks to Trump's new tax plan I got $150 more on this check. More money to spend on stimms!

All aboard the triple scoop train?

Speaking of numbers, my squats SUCK big time. I can dead way more, did 245 this morning for my working sets, and just restarted them. Bench my max a few months ago for 2 reps was only about 235 I think and not very good. Squats, due to knees and other issues, I am now slowly getting back into them and doing 135 for now to get form down and ease into them. Max on squats I don't even know. Let's just say not very good considering.

[Misctake7]

Jealous of all you talking about training! Two days off and I'm seriously missing it. But my body needs it and I NEEDED to spend family time today. Could use the stress relief though. It's been a hard week and it will only get worse over the next week or two.

[crpav]

Jealous of all you talking about training! Two days off and I'm seriously missing it. But my body needs it and I NEEDED to spend family time today. Could use the stress relief though. It's been a hard week and it will only get worse over the next week or two.

Again sorry to hear about all your life stresses. I know all too well but it drove me to , despite being emotional at times, destroy it in the gym. Why worse over the next few weeks?

[mccyjcb]

Yeah not uncommon to squat more than you pull, especially for squat specialists and big squatters.

I agree that it makes sense to train the three lifts differently. Doubt anyone can handle the same deadlift volume as they can for bench, for example. I can't pull sumo two weeks in a row, really, nor can I pull from the floor (either variation) every week.

Treat conventional as an accessory for sumo. (Not saying to do it for high reps after sumo, but as a variation to do to bring sumo up...I would probably treat it the same way as low rep good mornings, as a main lift variation). No need to focus on it as it's not going to be your competition pull, but improving it will strengthen your posterior chain, which will still bring up your sumo and your squat.

Yeah exactly. Not that I'm even a hardgainer, so the article title is somewhat misleading and is just trying to bring in "hardgainers" into the 5/3/1 world LOL. stupid marketing. It just makes sense.

In regards to the deadlifting...I'll base my template off of my sumo and do the main working sets sumo. Are you saying that I should:
1) Rotate out sumo deads for conventional deads for a mesocycle, or
2) My plan after deads and squats was to do a 3x10 of leg press @ 50% 1RM, like BBB, and a 2x10 of goblet squats. Perhaps I'll switch out the goblet squats for conventional and do a 5x4 @ 70%

Or are those neither of what you were saying? LOL

[AfroPope]

Sweet, thanks to Trump's new tax plan I got $150 more on this check. More money to spend on stimms!

my checks haven't changed noticeably, but I somehow owe on my return for the first time in my life.

[VO2Maxima]

Yeah exactly. Not that I'm even a hardgainer, so the article title is somewhat misleading and is just trying to bring in "hardgainers" into the 5/3/1 world LOL. stupid marketing. It just makes sense.

In regards to the deadlifting...I'll base my template off of my sumo and do the main working sets sumo. Are you saying that I should:
1) Rotate out sumo deads for conventional deads for a mesocycle, or
2) My plan after deads and squats was to do a 3x10 of leg press @ 50% 1RM, like BBB, and a 2x10 of goblet squats. Perhaps I'll switch out the goblet squats for conventional and do a 5x4 @ 70%

Or are those neither of what you were saying? LOL

Definitely not 2 lol. That's not what I was referring to.

Possibly 1, if you wanted. I am unfamiliar with how long mesocycles in 5/3/1 are. So I run conjugate, which means I change the main lift almost every week (I say almost since my peaking program is a bit different than regular conjugate, and then the main lift gets a bit more specific). Obviously in 5/3/1, you're not switching the lifts that often. If sumo is your comp stance, given that 5/3/1 doesn't have you swapping out main lifts, I probably wouldn't get too far away from it. But probably wouldn't hurt to do it for a few weeks instead of sumo here and there.