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    much more info about comrade Sanders

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    Excessive socialism (which we already have too much of as is) is a thoroughly proven failed path that leads to national poverty, lack of motivation, and lack of wealth and prosperity .... and Bernie is a socialist's socialist.

    Anyone who still pushes it in 2016 is an ignorant, naive, foolish, dangerous, idiot.

    Socialism and communism were thoroughly disproven as worthwhile economic systems in the 20th century.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    much more info about comrade Sanders
    Excessive socialism (which we already have too much of as is) is a thoroughly proven failed path that leads to national poverty, lack of motivation, and lack of wealth and prosperity .... and Bernie is a socialist's socialist.

    Anyone who still pushes it in 2016 is an ignorant, naive, foolish, dangerous, idiot.

    Socialism and communism were thoroughly disproven as worthwhile economic systems in the 20th century.
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    Question

    Obama said and promised the same things Bernie Sanders is saying now. At what point do people grow a brain and develop things like pattern recognition, memory, etc.?
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    Why the hell are americans obsessed with socialism? Its weird.
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    He doesn't understand that in today's world economy, the rich can always outsource to countries with better profit realization due to lower wages, taxes, less regulation, etc. His plan to drastically tax the rich would add fuel to a burning fire to be honest. Government should be competing with China and Asia where it can gain the advantage and bring jobs back, not further push them to see Asia as the better alternative. In a perfect world, the rich would stick with their country of origin despite all else, but it is a profit-crazed economy, so nobody gives a fuk about that and they will outsource if they see a better opportunity abroad.
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    Bernie Sanders' plans would totally ph*ck the middle class. Its inevitable because there is only so much more taxes you can collect from the rich. I'm not in favor of paying more taxes and getting less services. When you expand health care to make it *free* for everyone, the only people who get it free are the poor people and the middle class is going to pay for most of it through higher taxes. My employer will probably love it because that means they will simply pocket all the savings from not having to fund my healthcare anymore.

    If I was poor I would DEFINITELY vote for Bernie Sanders. However given that my middle class lifestyle will go down the toilet means I won't be voting for Mr. Sanders.
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    Originally Posted by ContrarianIndi View Post
    The members of the top 20% are more politically connected than everyone else. The Federal government has unconstitutionally seized excess power under the guise of helping the poor, providing security, etc.. and the insiders have gained that power and used it against their competition and to entrench themselves in the upper echelon of society.

    Laws and regulations are almost always created by lobbyists. Because we no longer follow the Constitution's prescription of a limited federal government, politicians are currently little more than PR spokesmen for a group of lobbyists.

    b-b-but Bernie isn't one of them, he's on our side. He has good intentions.
    Doesn't matter. Bernie will continue to expand the federal government and in doing so he will ultimately give lobbyists, bureaucrats and the politically connected more power.

    Today in Washington, it is one lobbyist vs another lobbyist, both represented by a politician who argues that one group has the people's interest over another.

    Drug company lobbyists vs Hospital lobbyists. Health insurance lobbyists Vs AMA. Nurses unions vs medical equipment manufacturers.

    "People" are the only ones left out of the fight and we are only good for paying taxes.

    Watch decades old movies like Mr. Smith goes to Washington and voters have the same complaints because the game is the same.

    It's all nothing more than political theater and feel good BS.

    Johnson & Johnson wants to give welfare to the poor so they can jack up the prices of band aids to equal the welfare increases. The poor never get ahead and the J & J family gets wealthier with taxpayer subsidies.

    Large Health Insurance companies want to force people to buy healthcare so they can make more money, and they want more regulations so they can crush the smaller health insurance companies.

    Same chit different day.


    As for the free college, that's a horrible idea. Most people who are going to college now, should not be going to college.

    It's funny how people always get butthurt against certain industries. "Oh, those evil oil industry are fuking us over." "Those evil Health insurance companies are fukking us over for more money.."

    But the College industry is so great, everyone needs to go to college, it's fantastic.

    1) Most people don't need to go to college unless they're pursuing a STEM degree. Before the government inflated the college bubble, people got by fine in life and were able to get solid corporate jobs without spending a fukload of money going to college and getting a degree. High school used to prepare students for life. Today, HS prepares you for college. Now you need a degree to get a basic clerical job because everybody and there brother has a degree thanks to the govt fuking things up with federally ensured student loans, pell grants etc. The federal government needs to stay the fuk out of college.

    Today students are literally paying money to waste their time. Under a Sanders government, we'd be paying over 80 billion to encourage kids to waste their time. And when EVERYONE goes to college, anybody who wants a decent job will need to waste 4 years of their life in order to get a piece of paper. It will be even worse than it is now. Not having a college degree will be like not having a HS diploma.

    Next, everyone will need a Masters degree because a bachelor's degree will be absolutely worthless. And I'm sure people will then be caterwauling for the government to pay for their masters degree. Then when that happens we'll all need to get Ph.D's in order to set ourselves apart... And then people will be whining for free Ph.D's.

    At that point, we will have a bunch of 28-33 year olds who have spent nearly their entire lives in school. The vast majority of people do not need 22 years of schooling. It's literally a massive waste of resources and productivity.

    Fact is, the college industry has profited so much off of lobbying Washington. The Federal Government doles out FAFSA pell grants left and right to the tune of almost $6000 per semester to almost anyone with a mouth. What do universities and book companies do? They jack up the price of books and tuition, to get more of that money. Same with student loans. They know kids can get the loans because the federal government ensures private student loans and even gives out federal loans. Banks know they'll get paid even if the retard spending $80,000 on a sociology degree can't pay it back.
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    Originally Posted by maglincer View Post
    Why the hell are americans obsessed with socialism? Its weird.
    every socielist thing we have tried so far has failed, so we have seen it fail in other countries and seen socielism fail at home. we are really sick of it.
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    If you think corporations should control the government, then vote against Bernie Sanders. If you're a goober who thinks immigrants are the biggest problem in your life, vote Trump. It's not complicated.
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    Economics expert destroys Sanders.

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/02/0...llege-proposal

    There’s no such thing as a free lunch.

    And in the case of one of Bernie Sanders’ key proposals, the “lunch” for taxpayers could turn out to cost a whopping $70 billion per year, according to statistics from U.S. News.

    For months, the Democratic presidential candidate has been drumming up hordes of young voters with this applause line: that public colleges and universities should be, in his words, “tuition-free.”

    Sanders has promised that the country’s 1 percenters would be responsible for coming up with that money, through a financial transactions tax on stocks, bonds and mutual fund sales.

    But it’s not quite as simple as that, said Brian Brenberg, associate professor of economics at King’s College.

    “He says it’s only going to hit the rich, but of course, you’ve got millions of Americans out there buying mutual funds,” Brenberg explained on Fox and Friends Weekend.

    Many use the funds to put away for their retirement and save for college.

    Sanders’ plan would not only exacerbate an “entitlement mentality” in the classroom, but leave millions with an added financial burden, said Brenberg.

    “We’re all going to be on the hook for that tax that he wants to institute,” he warned.

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    It's easy to get people to vote against their own self interest. Guys were voting for Bush when he was sending them to Iraq.
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    Originally Posted by metco View Post
    It's easy to get people to vote against their own self interest. Guys were voting for Bush when he and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and nearly half of all Democrats sent them to Iraq.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    I read his tax plan. Would be an added burden on my family. Not voting for Bernie.
    If you're one of the 1.5% of Americans making more than $231,450 a year, your marginal tax rate will go up slightly — money you earn above $231,450 will be taxed at 37% instead of 33%.

    If you're one of the 0.6% of Americans making more than $500,000 a year, your marginal rate will go up from 39.6% to 43%. Above $2,000,000 the rate will be 48%, and above $10,000,000 the rate will be 52%. These are tax increases that will only affect the very, very wealthy.

    On the other hand, the vast majority of Americans will see significant savings when factoring in tax and healthcare changes under Bernie's plans.


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    SJW detected. ARM THE HOMELESS. DOWN WITH THE PATRIARCHY. CORPORRATTTTIONNNNS ARE THE DEEEVVVILLLL!!


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    Originally Posted by mynameisuntz View Post
    If the GOP has done one thing brilliantly, it's been convincing the masses to vote against their best interests. This schema of "more taxes = bad" is just beyond naive. Meanwhile as we cling to such idiocy, other major nations are enjoying less costly healthcare, debt-free higher education, less poverty and crime, and greater quality of life.

    "But my taxes will go up!"
    Exactly, repped.

    The conservatives are such sheep. "Yes master, you can have all the wealth. Let me lick your boots. Maybe some day I'll be like you. Just don't give any to the needy and we're cool."
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    Originally Posted by forcexdistance View Post
    Exactly, repped.

    The conservatives are such sheep. "Yes master, you can have all the wealth. Let me lick your boots. Maybe some day I'll be like you. Just don't give any to the needy and we're cool."
    Bernie's entire platform is constructed around playing an oppressed victim about those who are more successful. I thought we are past the fixed pie fallacy?
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    Originally Posted by forcexdistance View Post
    If you're one of the 1.5% of Americans making more than $231,450 a year, your marginal tax rate will go up slightly — money you earn above $231,450 will be taxed at 37% instead of 33%.

    If you're one of the 0.6% of Americans making more than $500,000 a year, your marginal rate will go up from 39.6% to 43%. Above $2,000,000 the rate will be 48%, and above $10,000,000 the rate will be 52%. These are tax increases that will only affect the very, very wealthy.

    On the other hand, the vast majority of Americans will see significant savings when factoring in tax and healthcare changes under Bernie's plans.


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