**OFFICIAL** Trading and Investing Thread: Part XVI -- BAG HOLDING EDITION

[Carbonfibre]

before someone says wtf just happened

FOMC minutes just dropped.

TLDR

main point

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monet...es20221214.htm

all the FOMC members and voting committee agreed

"Officials Agreed Rate Cuts Shouldn't Happen in 2023"

in other words


higher for longer.

sure they can pause rate hikes but don't expect rate cuts this year.

[Abzu]

Lol.

[Elias373]

I am very bullish PLTR, their chart pattern excites me

[artm]

I don't know if I can take much more of the beatings bros, debating on selling majority of my loosers

[GreatReset1]

I don't know if I can take much more of the beatings bros, debating on selling majority of my loosers

You live in Chicago so there is a good chance you voted for this.

[camaleom]

angus not ready for all the bleeding but I have a few lottos just in case market zhit the bed

[RobParks2M]

I don't know if I can take much more of the beatings bros, debating on selling majority of my loosers

Ayyyy shouldda done that last week.

Thank fuk I took my L on bbby CSP awhile back. They are going fukking under.

WBA getting dumped who wouldda thot

Imma sit here patiently and wait/pray for SBUX to drop as well. I’ll be got till april

[Carbonfibre]

tmmrw is non farm payroll report data will be out pre market.

after tmmrw market will either dump to 3700 or go to 3950.

I have no clue which way its going but expect this 4 weeks stuck in SP 500 at 3850 range to break.


oh before you say let me go buy strangle


market maker (cough Citadel) is way ahead of you


spreads are massive. (absolute shiit show / one of the highest I have seen in long time on par with FOMC days and market seems to be pricing in god know what tmmrw)

[taf1968]

tmmrw is non farm payroll report data will be out pre market.

after tmmrw market will either dump to 3700 or go to 3950.

I have no clue which way its going but expect this 4 weeks stuck in SP 500 at 3850 range to break.


oh before you say let me go buy strangle


market maker (cough Citadel) is way ahead of you


spreads are massive. (absolute shiit show / one of the highest I have seen in long time on par with FOMC days and market seems to be pricing in god know what tmmrw)

Based on history . . . it will break off in my anoose.

[Carbonfibre]

Based on history . . . it will break off in my anoose.

yeah the odds of good report seem slim

out of last 13 NFP reports

only 2 market rallied on....11 were sold off.




if there is no increase in unemployment ufffffffff

feels like market will rip new one to downside.


market needs 4%+ unemployment rate badly

3.7% will cause no change in fed stance.



makes you wonder who the phuck is writing these reports.

every day we hear layoffs but somehow unemployment is just perfect.



made me lol


JPow be like to everyone.





btw these are the same *******s that said 2020 that there won't be any rate hikes till 2023

last year they did 450 bps of hikes in 1 year

this year they plan on making decisions based on data that comes (saying they have no clue)


the same Fed that thought printing 4 Trillion from 2020 to 2021 was good idea

and keeping interest rate at 0 percent for two years.

[Destor]

I think the layoffs right now are pretty restricted to white collar workers, like all of the bloated tech companies. In service/hospitality, construction, and probably most other types of jobs, I know we can't get enough hands-on workers in my industry

[Carbonfibre]

Sure, but this should be having effect.

Someone isn't going from amazon to oil rig.

https://layoffstracker.com/

[Carbonfibre]

For those that think natural gas is solid trade.


Widow maker for reason.

You will lose your gf's shirt and her boyfriends shirt trying to trade this crap.

Europe is going through heat wave.

All the fears of cold winder and eu running out of nat gas went out of window.

[taf1968]

Global Warming saves Europe . . .

[RobParks2M]

Sure, but this should be having effect.

Someone isn't going from amazon to oil rig.

https://layoffstracker.com/

I’ve heard people losing jobs are finding new ones fairly quickly somehow. No idea how most big companies are freezing hiring.

[Destor]

I’ve heard people losing jobs are finding new ones fairly quickly somehow. No idea how most big companies are freezing hiring.

I've just now started to see stories of people looking for jobs in Tech and not being able to find them, the earliest hints of it anyways

People who bailed on working because they thought they'd be able to retire on the back of blowing up asset values they didn't sell and have now been out of the workforce for a year or two as we head into a likely white-collar recession, they might be in a rough spot for a bit


I dunno, I've gotten three unsolicited calls from recruiters over the past month


Natty gas cratering is a great development towards telling Russia to get fukked

[lntense]

I don't know if I can take much more of the beatings bros, debating on selling majority of my loosers

sell now? lol

I've just now started to see stories of people looking for jobs in Tech and not being able to find them, the earliest hints of it anyways

People who bailed on working because they thought they'd be able to retire on the back of blowing up asset values they didn't sell and have now been out of the workforce for a year or two as we head into a likely white-collar recession, they might be in a rough spot for a bit


I dunno, I've gotten three unsolicited calls from recruiters over the past month


Natty gas cratering is a great development towards telling Russia to get fukked

everyone should know a trade, just in case imo. Or be extremely skilled and specialized in whatever they do in tech.

[Carbonfibre]

hedgies don't lose

remember the game is rigged

Kenny isn't going to lose

when he reads retail order flow

hedge fund that is also market marker.

no conflict there at all SEC.


"The hedge fund operation made about $28 billion in revenue, while Citadel Securities, one of the world's biggest electronic-trading firms, brought in $7.5 billion, the report added."

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...sj-2023-01-05/


meanwhile

[lntense]

hedgies don't lose

remember the game is rigged

Kenny isn't going to lose

when he reads retail order flow

hedge fund that is also market marker.

no conflict there at all SEC.


"The hedge fund operation made about $28 billion in revenue, while Citadel Securities, one of the world's biggest electronic-trading firms, brought in $7.5 billion, the report added."

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...sj-2023-01-05/


meanwhile

[img]https://i.imgur.com/2so4RDp.png[/im g]

Tends to help ones odds lol. Mind numbing. But not chit we can do if 2020-2022 didn't expose enough.


Regular hedge funds even hate him.

[RobParks2M]

sell now? lol

everyone should know a trade, just in case imo. Or be extremely skilled and specialized in whatever they do in tech.

Something a lot of people tend to forget is that you gotta keep your competency in whatever you are good at even if you’ve moved up into management/corporate. Moving up is great, but you get downsized quickly if you aren’t a top performer or aren’t contributing directly to the bottom line. This happened at my company a few years back and instead of going back down into operations they thought they were too good and we’re going to find a similar job at a different company. They ended up losing their seniority and doing operations at a different company on the lowest rung LOL

[lntense]

Something a lot of people tend to forget is that you gotta keep your competency in whatever you are good at even if you’ve moved up into management/corporate. Moving up is great, but you get downsized quickly if you aren’t a top performer or aren’t contributing directly to the bottom line. This happened at my company a few years back and instead of going back down into operations they thought they were too good and we’re going to find a similar job at a different company. They ended up losing their seniority and doing operations at a different company on the lowest rung LOL

Very true. I learned early to choose companies that invest in you, they may not pay as much up front but if it furthers your development and you are an asset to them and contribute true value they tend to be much more likely to keep you during tough times.

Companies clean house during times like these.



We've done layoffs where I work the past 6 months, but I have tried to be more diverse than I normally would all year this year doing my best to show value and that I can be a team player.

[lntense]

https://twitter.com/1200616796295847...10791016550401


saw that coming. More to come














wow natural gas. Getting close to 2020 lows. If it legs down again.

[usersignup2]

plan your trade

trade your plan

fingers crossed

sqqq
jan06 54.50cc x10
jan06 56.00cc x10
jan06 58.00cc x10

58.00 might be close but hoping all get called away. I think there is a good chance QQQ dips below 260 tomorrow and possibly test 258.50, maybe next week.

[Carbonfibre]

the **** is that above ^ there is another thread for that



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from the previous page


tldr

Citadel Securities is hedge fund typical sell/buy etc



However the twist is that Citadel is also Market maker.


45-50 percent of all of volume goes through them.

When you send trade / your broker is the middle man they will send the order out and some buyer will come in and take your trade on.

Citadel happens to be that middle man.

Hence why RobinHood has commission free trading

All the order flow is read by Citadel


Capitalism at work.

Rich get richer.

[lntense]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/05/vinc...-comeback.html


stock is up AH

the **** is that above ^ there is another thread for that



................................




from the previous page


tldr

Citadel Securities is hedge fund typical sell/buy etc



However the twist is that Citadel is also Market maker.


45-50 percent of all of volume goes through them.

When you send trade / your broker is the middle man they will send the order out and some buyer will come in and take your trade on.

Citadel happens to be that middle man.

Hence why RobinHood has commission free trading

All the order flow is read by Citadel


Capitalism at work.

Rich get richer.

Yep. Dirty chit. apes rolling in their graves

[Carbonfibre]

^^^^

I wish they won.

Problem is that they got fleeced.

Most retail traders don't have clue how stacked cards are against them.




SEC needs to ban order flow.

Problem is they can't when former employees work for citadel.

They are all connected.

[lntense]

https://www.tipranks.com/news/ctmx-s...me%3D2&color=2



NVAX, will sleep on it and see

[lntense]

^^^^

I wish they won.

Problem is that they got fleeced.

Most retail traders don't have clue how stacked cards are against them.




SEC needs to ban order flow.

Problem is they can't when former employees work for citadel.

They are all connected.

Me too. Yeah they all end up getting hedge fund gigs. Many probably just work for sec in order to climb the ladder in financial industry. All corrupt. Alot has come to light though that many didnt know prior to the whole movement.

[camaleom]

TSLA can only go up... they are head and sholder above the competition...

T: Cutting prices due to weak demand in China.

I can't wait until the CCP stabbing him in the back...

Elias: just for that I ma sell my PLTR stash ****gggoot lol

edit posting it in the right place now

[Destor]

Tesla didn’t just cut prices in China, they also cut in Japan, South Korea, New Zealand, and Australia

Price cuts are coming here too, give it a bit of time