The Official Powerlifting and Strongman Family Appreciation Thread: Part XVIII

[arn710]

Because?

Breaking the bar off the floor is the hardest part of the lift. Why would you want to eliminate that?

Also, it doesn't take much height to change the dynamic of the lift which renders it mostly useless as far as carry over to the deadlift

[Larfleeze]

Breaking the bar off the floor is the hardest part of the lift. Why would you want to eliminate that?

Got to disagree there, mid shin height is usually my failure point

[308smk]

Breaking the bar off the floor is the hardest part of the lift. Why would you want to eliminate that?

Also, it doesn't take much height to change the dynamic of the lift which renders it mostly useless as far as carry over to the deadlift

While I mostly agree with you, pulls off blocks/pin pulls below the knee really blew my buddy's deadlift up. Gave him a ton of glute and back strength. This is of course anecdotal, but I think they have their place

[ErickStevens]

Breaking the bar off the floor is the hardest part of the lift.

For you, perhaps. But I know plenty of people who have no problem breaking the bar off the floor and all kinds of problems locking it out.

There are no absolutes.

[Anthony21]

For you, perhaps. But I know plenty of people who have no problem breaking the bar off the floor and all kinds of problems locking it out.

There are no absolutes.

This is the best statement in regards to training and what works or what doesn't.

[arn710]

For you, perhaps. But I know plenty of people who have no problem breaking the bar off the floor and all kinds of problems locking it out.

There are no absolutes.

You're assuming then that block pulls are the best way to fix lockout problems. I don't agree with that

If you get fast enough off the floor, you'll have more momentum going into the lockout. Boom, no more lockout problems

[baize82]

I'm pretty fast off the floor and die at lockout. So, generally I train most of my conventional pulls from a deficit and try to stay conscious of my starting position. I also do sumo block pull work. The thing that makes me think that doing short block pulls might have some merit is that my entire back was thrashed after doing them the other day, much the same way that it feels after a huge grinder 3rd attempt in a meet.

[WCbouche]

Brace yourselves.... Another discussion ending in "it depends" since we are all special little flowers. Nothing is definitive with any of this. Although valid suggestions to assist, none of it can be a "rule". Thankfully there are definitive answers in some things in life. What is my favorite food? All of it. How much weight would I like to lift? All of it. How many dollars would I like in the bank? All of it... See guys, we all want the same things. Friendship....

[Big Sexy J]

Breaking the bar off the floor is the hardest part of the lift. Why would you want to eliminate that?

Also, it doesn't take much height to change the dynamic of the lift which renders it mostly useless as far as carry over to the deadlift

Agreed with Eric. No absolutes. I do think block pulls CAN be useless for a lot of lifters because they don't know how to do them correctly. I also think lots of lifters do their block pulls at too high of a setting. Similar to board presses...they do them from a height where they fail. Blocks/boards should be set up right under where they fail the lift, not at.

You're assuming then that block pulls are the best way to fix lockout problems. I don't agree with that

If you get fast enough off the floor, you'll have more momentum going into the lockout. Boom, no more lockout problems

I actually agree with this to an extent.

I also think most people who have "lockout issues" try and blame it on a weakness rather than realize they have a terrible starting position/technique. I was guilty of this until Bill yelled at me for about a year straight and got me to hip hinge finally.

[kmc06005]

I just ordered a swiss bar, and mono hooks...

[thom2355]

Block pulls/no block pulls....Swiss bar floor press with chains will improve my log press. FACT!

[Big.Jazayrli]

Awesome lifting, man. I had a good meet, too. 601/347/617. My bench still sucks, but I don't even care bout my bench

It'll come up eventually! Congrats to you as well

[isaku900]

I also think most people who have "lockout issues" try and blame it on a weakness rather than realize they have a terrible starting position/technique. I was guilty of this until Bill yelled at me for about a year straight and got me to hip hinge finally.

...was more than a year.

and a lot of people who have "bad lockouts" do have bad positioning off the floor, or are only "fast" off the floor because they've sacrificed good leverage position for lockout.

Block pulls are great for making your hips stronk. If you're failing a deadlift because of weak hips...then they'll help your lockout. A lot of people who fail deadlifts "at lockout" do not have weak hips.

A lot of people can do block pulls and just get overall stronker and get rid of their "lockout issue" because they're just much stronger than they were before they did block pulls.

[WCbouche]

I just ordered a swiss bar, and mono hooks...

So many power curls will be had.

[arn710]

I'm pretty fast off the floor and die at lockout. So, generally I train most of my conventional pulls from a deficit and try to stay conscious of my starting position. I also do sumo block pull work. The thing that makes me think that doing short block pulls might have some merit is that my entire back was thrashed after doing them the other day, much the same way that it feels after a huge grinder 3rd attempt in a meet.

I did a bunch of DB flyes the other day and my chest was sore as chit. Does that mean flyes are the key to fixing my bench or that I haven't done them in a while? (being a bit of a dick here but you get the point).

If I was going to help someone that had issues at lockout, I would suggest accommodating resistance on standard deads, RDLs, good mornings and to a lesser extent GHRs

[isaku900]

I did a bunch of DB flyes the other day and my chest was sore as chit. Does that mean flyes are the key to fixing my bench

they were for me trolololol

[Big.Jazayrli]

Congrats Hani.

thank you bruh

You next!

[Big.Jazayrli]

...was more than a year.

and a lot of people who have "bad lockouts" do have bad positioning off the floor, or are only "fast" off the floor because they've sacrificed good leverage position for lockout.

Block pulls are great for making your hips stronk. If you're failing a deadlift because of weak hips...then they'll help your lockout. A lot of people who fail deadlifts "at lockout" do not have weak hips.

A lot of people can do block pulls and just get overall stronker and get rid of their "lockout issue" because they're just much stronger than they were before they did block pulls.

I like what you're saying here

[kmc06005]

So many power curls will be had.

Don't think for a minute I won't do Swiss bar curls out of the mono hooks. I'm going to have HUGE pipes brah...

I did a bunch of DB flyes the other day and my chest was sore as chit. Does that mean flyes are the key to fixing my bench or that I haven't done them in a while?

The key to fixing your bench is actually benching...

[ShortDave]

Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. Guys.

Let's be realistic here.

Deadlifts are stupid. It's only a matter of time before squat and bench meets take over. Just accept it.

[Big.Jazayrli]

Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. Guys.

Let's be realistic here.

Deadlifts are stupid. It's only a matter of time before squat and bench meets take over. Just accept it.

I've been waiting a long time for a squat only meet

[arn710]

The key to fixing your bench is actually benching...

6 week. No barbell. How mad are you right now?

In other news, I'm starting my shoulder rok training tonight

[kmc06005]

6 week. No barbell. How mad are you right now?

[THErunCMD]

I just ordered a swiss bar, and mono hooks...

I want a swiss bar. Where did you order from? The combo swiss/football bar from edge was intriguing to me but I'll probably end up getting a T-Grip instead.

[kmc06005]

I want a swiss bar. Where did you order from? The combo swiss/football bar from edge was intriguing to me but I'll probably end up getting a T-Grip instead.

I got them both from edge.

I just went with the standard swiss bar. The combo looks cool, but I'm not sure how much different the angled handles make, so I'm not sure having both would make a huge difference. I think the combo looks a little cumbersome as well.

[Anthony21]

6 week. No barbell. How mad are you right now?

In other news, I'm starting my shoulder rok training tonight

Been doing 3-4 sets with 2.5lbs and liking it a lot for warm ups.

[UberAlles]

You're assuming then that block pulls are the best way to fix lockout problems. I don't agree with that

If you get fast enough off the floor, you'll have more momentum going into the lockout. Boom, no more lockout problems

jesse norris hardly ever does block pulls, only deficit. i think thats enough convincing for me

[arn710]

jesse norris hardly ever does block pulls, only deficit. i think thats enough convincing for me

DLT and I have talked about this a few times and we agree on this as well

[kmc06005]

I just got off the phone with Edge, dude was super cool. We ended up talking for 15-20 minutes about the combo bar, bench pressing and Mike Wolfe. Lol!

[Turtora]

DLT and I have talked about this a few times and we agree on this as well

What's your take on pause deadlifts?