To the hguy whos freinds was killed by a police officer

[ANumber1]

would you shoot to kill?

you can totally disarm someone by shooting them in the leg/arms, somewhere that isn't going to be fatal.

in b4 easier to shoot someone in the chest/stomach
in after the guy was close enough to get to his baton, but not close enough to aim at a legs/arms

Thing is, nobody is trained to do that. (That I know of.) If you're shooting, it's already escalated to a point where there's an imminent threat and the goal is to end the threat in a way that's most likely to succeed.

Could he have shot the guy in the legs? Sure, probably. However, you're running a higher risk that it doesn't stop the guy before he caves your head in.

[Parkerscott]

would you shoot to kill?

you can totally disarm someone by shooting them in the leg/arms, somewhere that isn't going to be fatal.

in b4 easier to shoot someone in the chest/stomach
in after the guy was close enough to get to his baton, but not close enough to aim at a legs/arms

Strong delusions. Try and shoot some skinny white lib in his leg while its moving around. After those shots are fired what is keeping the kid from "defending his life" Also shooting someone in the leg or arm could be just as fatal. Suck it up and accept the fact that the although it is tragic the kid and the officer both made mistakes. Also who pulls a weapon on a cop?

[Mudshovel]

Also I thought there were witnesses? Wasn't it next to an apartment with people inside?

[Xgamer791]

Yea, reach for the taser that didn't exist huh? lol @ thinking officers don't train for cqb.

Lol at their measly one week training course, not sheriff srs.

[BootneckBrah]

Lmao at 'couldn't he aim for limbs?'

I've never heard of law enforcement or military who are trained to 'shoot to injure'

Guns are designed for one thing only, and they do that job very well, even if hit in arms or legs, it can easily be fatal

[Tomato15]

i always love these comments

why didnt the guy just not attack the officer with a weapon?

the reason you get responses like that is because the police officer should be the calm, logical and clear thinking individual in this situation. The guy that assaulted him is an idiot but he did not deserve to die for his actions

edit: ^ to the guy above, police officers are actually trained to shoot to 'immobilise', not kill

[SergeyBrin]

Death should have been the last resort in this situation none the less, if the officer had the ability to think quickly in this situation than he would have created distance and used his taser weapon which would have rendered the assailant useless. Maby if police officers actually trained in close quarters combat they would not go strait for their firearms when being attacked.

maybe if the guy didnt assault him with a weapon

99.9% of people manage not to

[Mudshovel]

Thing is, nobody is trained to do that. (That I know of.) If you're shooting, it's already escalated to a point where there's an imminent threat and the goal is to end the threat in a way that's most likely to succeed.

Could he have shot the guy in the legs? Sure, probably. However, you're running a higher risk that it doesn't stop the guy before he caves your head in.

This x100. Do people think cops don't have family? Kids? I'm not going to try and shoot someone in the leg when they are trying to attack me. Give them the chance to end my life. No thanks Jeff.

[jikkyo]

Death should have been the last resort in this situation none the less, if the officer had the ability to think quickly in this situation than he would have created distance and used his taser weapon which would have rendered the assailant useless. Maby if police officers actually trained in close quarters combat they would not go strait for their firearms when being attacked.

If he had a taser. If the prongs hit the guy properly. If the prongs stuck. If the guy wasn't wearing thick clothing in winter. If. If. If. Maybe you can stop being an arm chair quarterback while, I'm assuming, having no LEO or use of force experience. Cops receive HTH combat techniques, but they aren't MMA fighters or Rambo.

[OhioStateBucki]

None of us know what really happened.


But as far as I'm concerned, if you steal an officer's weapon and try to use it on him, I expect nothing less than for you to be shot several times. Regardless of the weapon. Batons can be very deadly, but even if it were something like mace or even the suspect managing to grab use the taser - anything that can incapacitate you means that if the attacker wants to he can easily finish you off in your weakened state.

This isn't a video game where you can aim for a limb real quick without much adrenaline - it's real life. Close quarters. You shoot to hit them as quickly as possible under an extreme adrenaline rush.

If you steal a cops weapon you can't expect him to decide to duel you in hand to hand combat. Even if he was confident he could win that duel, he's not risking his life and potentially leaving a family behind just to be "even." Ideally he wouldn't have died, but I can't say that it's unexpected nor am I sympathetic IF that was indeed how it went down.

[Parkerscott]

So are we just going to ignore this part



Seems sketch to me

have you ever tried to glue a rearview mirror back on? its not easy, especially in the cold. I had mine do the exact same thing the other day.

[bking10]

it's pretty telling that everyone's initial reaction is that the cop was wrong. None of us actually trust the police. Most of us are white middle class males and we don't trust them... Tells me something is seriously wrong with the way Police carry themselves

[Milkahol]

the problem with this case is that the police department is saying that this is what happened. We have only two witnesses and one is dead.

the Dashboard cam of the cop's car "fell off" due to some malfunctioning glue

"University police vehicles are typically equipped with dashboard cameras, but Carter's vehicle joined the fleet two days before the incident, and its camera fell off the next day when a temperature change prevented the glue from setting, the school said."


take from it what you will. My thoughts when this first broke out (the first miscer's thread), was that the victim acted stupidly and assaulted the cop. I was hoping to see some hard evidence to prove this. The fact that the cam was "malfunctioning" during the incident is shady as phuck and now i'm questioning my initial judgment.



http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/09/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

Everybody in this topic should now be talking about this. What a coincidence, shady as all hell. Typical brotherhood police departments that don't give a **** about actual justice, just covering for their criminal partners. Wasn't this cop transferred like 8 times too? Obviously was a ****head. I don't believe that some skinny white kid that was a valedictorian(correct?) and world traveler assaulted the cop. And I sure as hell don't believe their story with this cops history and the coincidence that the camera malfunctioned when this happened.

[icantevenlift]

Lol at their measly one week training course, not sheriff srs.

basic tcleose certification is 10 months. lol@u

[RScary15]

Kid took a weapon away from the cop after resisting arrest and started hitting it with him. Kid deserved it. What would he do if the cop couldn't defend himself after the first blow? Probably continue beating him that what he'd do. But always feel sorry for the victim even though he was in the wrong right guys?

[whiterice77]

strong incompetent officer. Get's baton stolen from a kid while trying to beat him with it, shoots him to death after disarming him, driving around with no dash cam, dude should be fired regardless of if he was right or wrong. Guy is more dangerous than the people he's hired to protect

[southernwinds34]

id love to see an injury report and/or pics of damage to the police officer

ding

[Poon_Handler]

If he indeed took the cops baton for no good reason and assaulted him with it then there is only one thing to say, stupid people win stupid prizes. I'm not saying he deserved to die, since he obviously didn't but come what was he expecting to happen. If he was as smart as people are saying he was then surly he must have realized there are stupid cops with itchy trigger fingers.

[southernwinds34]

Everybody in this topic should now be talking about this. What a coincidence, shady as all hell. Typical brotherhood police departments that don't give a **** about actual justice, just covering for their criminal partners. Wasn't this cop transferred like 8 times too? Obviously was a ****head. I don't believe that some skinny white kid that was a valedictorian(correct?) and world traveler assaulted the cop. And I sure as hell don't believe their story with this cops history and the coincidence that the camera malfunctioned when this happened.

WHAT A LOAD OF BS-- The camera fell off??? Omg.. Im w ya man, sure sounds shady.

[.aeterna]

Everybody in this topic should now be talking about this. What a coincidence, shady as all hell. Typical brotherhood police departments that don't give a **** about actual justice, just covering for their criminal partners. Wasn't this cop transferred like 8 times too? Obviously was a ****head. I don't believe that some skinny white kid that was a valedictorian(correct?) and world traveler assaulted the cop. And I sure as hell don't believe their story with this cops history and the coincidence that the camera malfunctioned when this happened.

not to mention the fact that proof that the victim actually touched the officer's baton has not been revealed yet..

[SergeyBrin]

the reason you get responses like that is because the police officer should be the calm, logical and clear thinking individual in this situation. The guy that assaulted him is an idiot but he did not deserve to die for his actions

edit: ^ to the guy above, police officers are actually trained to shoot to 'immobilise', not kill

he chose to fight another person with a lethal weapon

he brought a baton to a gun fight

lets not pretend the cop didnt ask the guy to "chill out" and 50x types of "please follow the law"

[icantevenlift]

Everyone is such an expert in here, yet they keep talking about tasers. had anyone actually read the article, UIW police aren't issued tasers.

[Jaroctor]

if i was a cop and someone really stole my baton i would definitely whip out my pistol and prepare to defend myself, no question

Pulling out a gun is not the same as using it to kill someone.

Pretty sure i'd respect the presence of a gun in my face. Wouldn't need to ****ing kill me, even if you shot me.

Everyone is such an expert in here, yet they keep talking about tasers. had anyone actually read the article, UIW police aren't issued tasers.

You're so American you don't even realise why people were talking about tasers lol.

Hint: So people don't get shot.

[BootneckBrah]

maybe if the guy didnt assault him with a weapon

99.9% of people manage not to

This

[SymphonyXXX]

All the information is most likely coming from an officer's police report, since there is no video of what happened. What the news has reported is what the officials in the case are saying.

[gamb]

There is a 99.5% he didn't touch the officer and they are saying this to justify things. Had this happen personally to me.

explain brah

[RScary15]

Even if they are trained to fire, I don't see why he couldn't have just shot the dude in the foot.

Lol at anyone being that accurate under pressure... Get the phuck outta this thread

[dsmninja]

Even if they are trained to fire, I don't see why he couldn't have just shot the dude in the foot.

Shut the phuck up with these stupid ass comments. Cops are trained to shoot you dead, they never ever ever ever shoot to maim. Thats the way it is, just ****en' deal with it. It will not change.

[ANumber1]

There is a 99.5% he didn't touch the officer and they are saying this to justify things. Had this happen personally to me.

I wouldn't say 99.5%, but yeah, there are good departments and there are bad departments, and all the nuts tend to roll on down into the bad departments that will put up with them. Even in good departments, the department and the union are generally going to side with the officer until evidence proves otherwise.

I'd say it's very likely that the poor guy snapped and things just went terribly wrong when he ran into the wrong guy with a gun, but I agree, I'm not about to rule out the possibility that an abusive/incompetent officer just lost his chit when he felt "disrespected" on a dark road and is trying to dig himself out of a hole.

I have reminded the Oneitis many times never, to ever, under any circumstances, pull over in an isolated area. Our local department is one of the known "bad departments" where decent cops have left to become mailmen, retire as early as possible, etc., because it's hell to be there if you have a conscience. Officers trying to extort sex from underage girls, the annual display of a drunk officer wrapping his squad car around a tree, cash missing from evidence after officers steal in order to pay for their own legal defense when they get into trouble. (There was even a lawsuit in the '90s when several officers, drunk and off-duty, kicked in a guy's door in front of a crowd of witnesses and beat the hell out of his kid. One of the officers involved is now the police chief.) It's just a matter of time until one of them gets the idea to pull a woman over and rape her.

[craig84]

not to mention the fact that proof that the victim actually touched the officer's baton has not been revealed yet..

look at the zimmerman crap. nationwide story covered 24/7 by the media. fuked up from the start. took forever to get things straight. do you really have confidence in any small time story like this actually pumping out factual evidence right away?