Controversial Cutting with PSNA

[juliacheh]

Ryan, I like to have more complex meals (example - meatballs, pasta, vegetables), also I prefer not to use protein shakes.

Again,this system is obviously working or you, and I commend you for your discipline.
I'll be lurking

Good luck on your cut.

[ian0789]

Ryan, I like to have more complex meals (example - meatballs, pasta, vegetables), also I prefer not to use protein shakes.

Again,this system is obviously working or you, and I commend you for your discipline.
I'll be lurking

Good luck on your cut.

That is one thing I will agree with. How do you fill up on a shake =( I only use my Protein Powder to add some flavor to Greek Yogurt or in my Oats / Fluff. Other then that Id never be able to just drink one and be semi? full

[2020Wellness]

I am just busting balls Ryan!

Personally my feeling is this. Do what ever the heck works for you and you like doing. Some people can cut / bulk / maintain with out having to do much other then what you are doing. Pick random foods you like and eat them. Others have to go balls out and track everything that enters ones mouth.

How low are you looking to get this time around. I know you said you dont know nor care about BF% so are you just going to shred as much as you can until you are happy? Or until it starts to effect the look of overall muscle lose. Looks like you ended up putting on some more mass after your last bulk to cut phase. Dont wanna lose to much of it

I kind of wanna see how nasty your calf's look after this cut. They look really thick in that AVI as of now.

Ian, my calves are my weakest point IMO. Forearms kinda suck too i guess. I have very small joints and high insertion points. Some say that is a good thing for BBing. I don't like it though.

To sum it up for you, I bulk til I feel fat and I cut til I feel small

Ryan, I like to have more complex meals (example - meatballs, pasta, vegetables), also I prefer not to use protein shakes.

Again,this system is obviously working or you, and I commend you for your discipline.
I'll be lurking

Good luck on your cut.

Oh, you'll see those things too. Well, yesterday for example, I had a burger (essentially a meatball) with ketchup, barbeque sauce, cheese, and a bun. I'd say my beef, salsa, beans, and rice dish is something you'd like too. I eat those things, I just don't have to count their macros with my approach, which I like alot.

As far as discipline goes, I've been doing this for a long time, and it is more of a habit than anything. Thanks for the compliment.

That is one thing I will agree with. How do you fill up on a shake =( I only use my Protein Powder to add some flavor to Greek Yogurt or in my Oats / Fluff. Other then that Id never be able to just drink one and be semi? full

I don't fill up on a shake. I accompany it with other foods, always. I never just have a shake.

[ispankmidgets]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Oh yeah you betcha!! Right after I eat some of dat der hot dish.

The reason people ALWAYS turn your threads into a pissing match is because you claim to have invented some awesome eating plan but when it comes down to basics, you are eating less calories. And showing pictures of whey shakes to a bunch of people who take time to build food porn will never get you kudos.

^ This. That's fine if you hate food, but personally, I'd rather eat something that tasted good and was healthy rather than eating cardboard, but to each his own.

[xuerebx]

Ryan has already said that he likes the food he eats. That should just end the discussion about cardboard food right there.

I eat pasta (penne) with my own homemade sauce every single day. It may be plain to you, but I love it.

I don't think a lot of people could go on for more than a few weeks with eating food they do not enjoy.

[2020Wellness]

I'd rather eat something that tasted good and was healthy rather than eating cardboard, but to each his own.

Meal 3 - Waffles and T-Bone Steak
PPS - Steak
PCS - Waffles, Syrup
PFS - Butter
Steak sauce on the side for flavoring.

Maybe it's how I prepared it, but this meal just seemed to taste like cardboard. WTF?!

[xuerebx]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahha!!

I'm seriously laughing here. I DID NOT expect that.

*clutches sides*

[ian0789]

Hahha dude reps, thats mad funny

If he like the food he eats then w/e. Bottom line is he is eating food to cut or bulk. Its not like he is claiming that by eating brocc and chicken 5x times a day is the only way he can lose fat and gain muscle.

[mstatefan91]

Hahha dude reps, thats mad funny

If he like the food he eats then w/e. Bottom line is he is eating food to cut or bulk. Its not like he is claiming that by eating brocc and chicken 5x times a day is the only way he can lose fat and gain muscle.

This. He has already stated you can eat different foods everytime if you like. Anyway Ryan, that steak looks a little undercooked. You don't want to get sick.

[Reid456]

HAHAHAHA! So funny!

[ispankmidgets]

Classic.

[bbavender]

Ryan you wasted good syrup and bbq sauce

[2020Wellness]

Ryan you wasted good syrup and bbq sauce

What are you talking about? That was Meal 3!

[bbavender]

What are you talking about? That was Meal 3!

I hope you mopped it all up then!

[2020Wellness]

Mama said 'eat your vegetables!'

[mstatefan91]

That's a lot of corn..

[2020Wellness]

Back on that Monday morning grind! Once I get through my weekly 3 day big work day run I know I'm in the clear for the likelihood of cheating.

M1 - 500 cals
PPS - Whey
PCS - Banana
PFS - Whole Milk, Fish Oil



Meals 2, 3, and 4

Yes I'm aware that the video is mirrored, and yes I'm having my vegetables today too!


M5 - 600 cals
PPS - 93/7 Beef
PFS - Whole Milk, Butter
Veggie - Green Beans, Mushrooms



Closed out the day with a great Lift session at the gym tonight. The place was packed with college guys who are home for the summer. It was a great change of pace, as I'm usually one of the only people in the gym who is serious about their workouts. Having to hold my own against the young guys is always a motivator for a powerful workout.

Ya buddy!

[2020Wellness]

Time for some good old Lift day work! Gaspari runs through my veins!

[nic6paul]

That's a lot of corn..

I guess you aren't from the land of the Green Giant.

[sven1olaf]

Back on that Monday morning grind! Once I get through my weekly 3 day big work day run I know I'm in the clear for the likelihood of cheating.

M1 - 500 cals
PPS - Whey
PCS - Banana
PFS - Whole Milk, Fish Oil

Meals 2, 3, and 4

Yes I'm aware that the video is mirrored, and yes I'm having my vegetables today too!

Good stuff Ryan. The vid should really help anyone having issues with the setup for the day.

Time for some good old Lift day work! Gaspari runs through my veins!

Lift day here too, killed the AMRAPs, feels freaking amazing. Myo CnC FTW. A lil SuperPump Max mixed with a scoop of Ultima = gravity domination.

Great journal, keep it up.

Don't feed the trollz =]

[2020Wellness]

I guess you aren't from the land of the Green Giant.

No kidding. Two cobs ain't sheet!

[mstatefan91]

No kidding. Two cobs ain't sheet!

Oh well. Corn on the cob isn't my favorite thing so that would be a lot of corn for me to have to force down. BTW Ryan, your video helped clear up a couple of questions I had about PSNA. You may get an email from me in the future. I'm also probably coming back to the GST brotherhood in the next few weeks. 5/3/1 is a good program but it just doesn't give me the same excitement about going to the gym that your program gave me on a consistent basis. I miss the intensity and DOMS!!

[Cumulonimbus]

So with this "primary" approach, what is your view on incomplete proteins when mixed with complete sources?

[Ghosting]

My approach was being used long before "IIFYM" hit these boards.

Now, please refrain from posting junk in here. This is for people to learn and follow along with my progress, not to try and degrade my methods and approach.

He asked you a question and you turn into a defensive a-hole.

[ryannic]

So with this "primary" approach, what is your view on incomplete proteins when mixed with complete sources?

In for response to this...

[2020Wellness]

So with this "primary" approach, what is your view on incomplete proteins when mixed with complete sources?

Can you give me a couple of examples of your scenario please?

[Cumulonimbus]

Can you give me a couple of examples of your scenario please?

Chicken breast + 400g of broccoli. That's 11g of protein from the broccoli. Do you disregard that?

Or like beef and pasta.

Do you disregard/not count the incomplete (lacking all amino acids) protein sources even when mixed with a complete protein source, either it meal in that meal or earlier/later that day?

[2020Wellness]

Chicken breast + 400g of broccoli. That's 11g of protein from the broccoli. Do you disregard that?
400g of broccoli is nearly a pound of broccoli, and it is pretty unlikely that a person will eat a pound at a time. BUT, let's say they did. The answer to your question would be 'yes.'

Or like beef and pasta.
Beef (assuming lean) is going to be the protein source and pasta is going to be the carb source. Very simple. No messing around with macros, just total calories needed from each of the two ingredients (beef and pasta) in order to hit my allotted number of servings for each of those two categories.

Do you disregard/not count the incomplete (lacking all amino acids) protein sources even when mixed with a complete protein source, either it meal in that meal or earlier/later that day?
I don't need to worry about a few grams of protein here and there in my carb and fat sources, because I am not worried about hitting exact macro amounts. By following the allotted number of protein, carb, and fat servings in the 24hr time span, I'll be hitting somewhere near my desired macros. But there is no need to worry about them being right on with the numbers that I'm basing my number of servings around. Do you see what I'm saying?

It might help to tell you that with PSNA:

1 PPS serving = 100 calories
1 PCS serving = 100 calories
1 PFS serving = 50 calories
Fibrous veggies are basically unlimited, unless you're consuming pounds at a time.

See bold. The system is actually very simple and effective at the same time. It inherently keeps food choices pretty natural, which I like and is a great side effect. It doesn't keep things 100% natural, but that is basically impossible. For example, cereal is going to be a primary carb source, and that isn't natural, but it is still completely allowed with PSNA.

[ryannic]

See bold. The system is actually very simple and effective at the same time. It inherently keeps food choices pretty natural, which I like and is a great side effect. It doesn't keep things 100% natural, but that is basically impossible. For example, cereal is going to be a primary carb source, and that isn't natural, but it is still completely allowed with PSNA.

Hi Ryan just wondering where you draw the line on what's PFS PPS PCS. Meaning what if you have a food that's split perfectly down the middle - 50% protein 50% fat??

[2020Wellness]

Hi Ryan just wondering where you draw the line on what's PFS PPS PCS. Meaning what if you have a food that's split perfectly down the middle - 50% protein 50% fat??

A food like that would be considered a combo food, and it can be used once you have a good handle on how the system works.

Say you have a food that gives you roughly 100 calories from protein and roughly 100 calories from fat. You could count that as one protein serving (100 calories) for that meal and 2 fat servings (50 calories each) for that meal.

If your meal called for 2 PPS and 6 PFS, you could use the combo food to cover your PPS calorie needs, most of your PFS calorie needs, and then add in another PFS to hit your 6 total servings for that meal.

Combo foods are little more technical, but they will work. They really aren't that plentiful, and most will be P + F foods from animals. There aren't many P + C foods out there that are split roughly 50/50 P/C.