Bruce lee looking like an amateur on the heavy bag

[J_Bo]

J Bo

Your comments are RETARDED!

How is Catherine Zeta Jones so beautiful? I mean she hasn't won loads of beauty competitions or Miss World.

Someone cannot be a highly skilled martial artist or very good fighter unless they enter competitions especially MMA? Yeh okay then, sure.

Is Catherine Zeta Jones any less beautiful without entering a load of beauty contests and winning? I mean there can't be any stunning looking women who are not models or actresses, and well known, it's just not possible.

You talk directly from your Bottom.

WOW. I've heard some stupid **** on this forum, and I think that this has got to be near the top of the list..

I'm not even trying to make a joke here. That is literally one of the dumbest things i've ever heard on this forum..

movie legends dont have bodies like bruce lee's, who worked very hard.

read his book 'the tao of jeet kune do' - his art was a formless system, it wasnt supposed to look like boxing, or another martial art. the whole point of it was speed and power.

the book is not a joke and is very philosophical.

saying he was primarily a movie legend isnt accurate. he became a movie legend AFTER showing ppl what he could do.

bruce was no sloutch, you young guys who train ufc all the time give him no credit.

strong ignorance.

lol


People get WAY too worked up over Bruce Lee.



People just need to stop discussing him here, because it always leads to this crap.

People that get this worked up over Bruce Lee are RETRARDED OMG!!! WTF OH NOES!



It's just pointless because we will never know how good he ACTUALLY was at fighting. Whether it be controlled in competition or IN DA STREETZ. SO if you take either side very seriously, then you are the one who is making an ASS out of yourself, because you can't prove it one way or the other, and yet you state your side as if it's fact.


I will choose to stay neutral. He of course was good at martial arts and was a great athlete. But was he a great FIGHTER? I don't know... and and none of us ever will, because he did not chose to prove himself in competition.


And the CZJ analogy is silly. Her beauty is subjective.

[fred2367]

Muay Thai comes from Muay Boran, which was an art of war. Not for a street fight but for a battle field. Take off the gloves and the ref and a nak muay could still kill someone easily under MT "rules".

Holy Mother of God.

That is not how it is used today!!!!

I feel like I'm talking to a ****ing wall.

[Messiahtype]

No dumbass. But the "strikes" used in Muay Thai are the most effective for causing blunt force trauma or breaking bones. Therefore would be the most effective means of standup attack. Plain and simple. Period. I don't see how you cannot understand that. It's dumb to even dispute that.

[J_Bo]

Holy Mother of God.

That is not how it is used today!!!!

I feel like I'm talking to a ****ing wall.

You are obviously against the practice of competition fighting. But the fact is that unless a fighter engages in some form of competitive fighting, no one can be certain of their prowess. Which is why discussing Lee's abilities is pointless. I'm not saying it makes him a worse fighter, but there is nothing out there to prove he was good at successfully outfighting other fighters.

[fred2367]

No dumbass. But the "strikes" used in Muay Thai are the most effective for causing blunt force trauma or breaking bones. Therefore would be the most effective means of standup attack. Plain and simple. Period. I don't see how you cannot understand that. It's dumb to even dispute that.

and you base this on what?

[i_am_stig]

Wow lol. When i said amateur I meant he looked poor not that he had the skills of a amateur boxer. He had no head movement, footwork, hands by waist and chin high. Doesn't matter what style you practice combining those together is not a recipe for success.

No dumbass. But the "strikes" used in Muay Thai are the most effective for causing blunt force trauma or breaking bones. Therefore would be the most effective means of standup attack. Plain and simple. Period. I don't see how you cannot understand that. It's dumb to even dispute that.

Agree, muay thai and boxing are the most effective standup styles as shown in mma. Kyshouin (sp?) karate and san shou are also decent though.

[fred2367]

You are obviously against the practice of competition fighting. But the fact is that unless a fighter engages in some form of competitive fighting, no one can be certain of their prowess. Which is why discussing Lee's abilities is pointless. I'm not saying it makes him a worse fighter, but there is nothing out there to prove he was good at successfully outfighting other fighters.

And proving what someone can do in a ring does not prove what someone can do on the streets. It works both ways.

[fred2367]

Wow lol. When i said amateur I meant he looked poor not that he had the skills of a amateur boxer. He had no head movement, footwork, hands by waist and chin high. Doesn't matter what style you practice combining those together is not a recipe for success.





Agree, muay thai and boxing are the most effective standup styles as shown in mma. Kyshouin (sp?) karate and san shou are also decent though.

that's a retarded statement if I ever heard one.

I love how you guys go on and on about muay thai and boxing and give no second though to the fighters abiities.As if studying muay thai and boxing will make you a lethal weapon regardless of athletic ability.

[i_am_stig]

And proving what someone can do in a ring does not prove what someone can do on the streets. It works both ways.

Learning how to punch, kick, elbow etc hard and fast, avoid attacks, take a punch and deal with pain won't help you in a street fight?

Intelligence isn't you're strong point is it?

[fred2367]

Learning how to punch, kick, elbow etc hard and fast, avoid attacks, take a punch and deal with pain won't help you in a street fight?

Intelligence isn't you're strong point is it?

I'm saying the two aren't interchangable and it is a spot in a controlled setting, not some ultimate proving ground. What is so hard to understand about this?

To dismiss bruce because he didn't compete in mma is ****ed up.

[fred2367]

man, there are some stupid ass people on this forum. I'm not a bruce lee nuthugger. But you guys who think that studying muay thai and boxing automatically make you an ultimate warrior need to educate yourself.Just because they work in a sport like mma doesn't really prove a whole lot as to how effective they are as a whole.

[The_Reaper]

I haven't read the replies, but I bet there are two or three butthurt nuthuggers close to tears, trying to mask it with "lol".

Dragontard will be amongst them - the guy who thinks Bruce Lee would beat Fedor.

[the_guvna]

I haven't read the replies, but I bet there are two or three butthurt nuthuggers close to tears, trying to mask it with "lol".

Dragontard will be amongst them - the guy who thinks Bruce Lee would beat Fedor.

lulz

[Maine]

Wow lol. When i said amateur I meant he looked poor not that he had the skills of a amateur boxer. He had no head movement, footwork, hands by waist and chin high. Doesn't matter what style you practice combining those together is not a recipe for success.


Agree, muay thai and boxing are the most effective standup styles as shown in mma. Kyshouin (sp?) karate and san shou are also decent though.

Bruce was a street fighter in Hong Kong, Bruce also trained with some of the best martial artists and fighters in the world. Just because there is 1 video of him doing power punches against a bag doesn't mean that's how he fought in street fights.

And what works in the ring doesn't necessarily work on the street, on the street you have the possibility of multiple combatants, weapons, multiple styles, etc.

[Ehyun55]

how bout the Lakers

[kevinnkts]

i will add this.. try go shaolin and see... and u will see the different.

boxing have thier own good.

same goes for martial art.

u expect some shaolin monk come to mma and fight? think about it.

http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/shows...e/ep_118a.html

martial arts is about building up inner strenght. the link i show u is ripley belive or not. a guy throw a needle from a distance over a glass.

[i_am_stig]

I'm saying the two aren't interchangable and it is a spot in a controlled setting, not some ultimate proving ground. What is so hard to understand about this?

To dismiss bruce because he didn't compete in mma is ****ed up.

I'm not dismissing him, he made valuable contributions to martial arts. But he wasn't an amazing fighter.

man, there are some stupid ass people on this forum. I'm not a bruce lee nuthugger. But you guys who think that studying muay thai and boxing automatically make you an ultimate warrior need to educate yourself.Just because they work in a sport like mma doesn't really prove a whole lot as to how effective they are as a whole.

No one said it made you an ultimate warrior lol. And the fact those two out of all the standup styles there is are most frequently taught in MMA, have the great success in K-1 and are always in videos beating karate and kung fu fighters shows their validity.



All the video shows is bruces ****ty form on the bag, nothing else.

[J_Bo]

And proving what someone can do in a ring does not prove what someone can do on the streets. It works both ways.

I know. I'm saying that we just don't know. Plain and simple. And the only way we could have had a good idea how he actually fared against other fighters, would have been to see him fight. Usually this happens during competitive fighting. And he did not compete, so we did not see him actually fight people. This is all I'm saying. So we can say he looked like he really knew what he was doing. And he probably did. But that doesn't neccesarrily mean his live reactions and in fight decision making would have automatically been great. There are too many other variables to just say that he was a great fighter, when we haven't seen him fight.

[fred2367]

I know. I'm saying that we just don't know. Plain and simple. And the only way we could have had a good idea how he actually fared against other fighters, would have been to see him fight. Usually this happens during competitive fighting. And he did not compete, so we did not see him actually fight people. This is all I'm saying. So we can say he looked like he really knew what he was doing. And he probably did. But that doesn't neccesarrily mean his live reactions and in fight decision making would have automatically been great. There are too many other variables to just say that he was a great fighter, when we haven't seen him fight.

There have been numerous people all vouching for bruc'es abliites. Including chuck norris who not only says bruce was good, but one of the best he has ever seen. If I was a betting man I'd say he was probably pretty decent...

[fred2367]

All the video shows is bruces ****ty form on the bag, nothing else.

Ahh. I love when 18 year old kids critque fighters forms. Especially fighters who Trained for more years than they were alive, and are legends at it.

I just love it! Just because it isn't muay thai doesn't make it ****ty. please get a clue.

[i_am_stig]

Ahh. I love when 18 year old kids critque fighters forms. Especially fighters who Trained for more years than they were alive, and are legends at it.

I just love it! Just because it isn't muay thai doesn't make it ****ty. please get a clue.

My bad forgot there was an age limit to critique fighters or point out the obvious lol. And I've said multiple times that there is other martial arts which are as useful as muay thai (boxing, some forms of karate, san shou).

A legend at fighting? He achieved pretty much nothing as a fighter. He was important in progressing martial arts, but a legend at fighting no.

[DragonDude]

My bad forgot there was an age limit to critique fighters or point out the obvious lol. And I've said multiple times that there is other martial arts which are as useful as muay thai (boxing, some forms of karate, san shou).

A legend at fighting? He achieved pretty much nothing as a fighter. He was important in progressing martial arts, but a legend at fighting no.

I am Stig,

You've still yet to answer why have you 'Bumboy Internet Keyboard Warrior Of The Year' not gone to Tommy Carruthers to see his level????

He is in Scotland, so are you. I can even call him to come to you. Or arrange if you go to him to train for free.

He is faster and hits harder than anyone you will ever have seen, and he still isn't as good as Bruce Lee.

So what about it, Coward?

[fred2367]

My bad forgot there was an age limit to critique fighters or point out the obvious lol. And I've said multiple times that there is other martial arts which are as useful as muay thai (boxing, some forms of karate, san shou).

A legend at fighting? He achieved pretty much nothing as a fighter. He was important in progressing martial arts, but a legend at fighting no.

You on crack brah?

[Kane Fan]

That's like saying to a Boxer that their form in Kung Fu is bad.

Two different worlds man.

Lee studied Western Boxing extensivly tho, he even found information on various Boxer's thoughts on Pugalisim that even I havn't been able to find and I love reading about the oldtimers thoughts and training techinques.
BTW if you are trying to say what he was doing was Wing Chun just stop because it wasn't even close.

considering thats probably about a 80lbs bag and he is about 140lbs

I very much doubt that is an 80 pound bag

How is he a martial arts Legend?

firstly everyone involved in Martial Arts (and many people who are not) have heard of him and know him as a Martial Artist, ie he is a Legend...
secondly, and I go into this later in responce to another poster, he created a Martial Art, that's legand worthy in my book

Both I suppose. But I only do it standing.

you throw a Medicine Ball, up in the air, while you are standing up?
how would this help anything other then the Uppercut?
I mean leg thrust etc but as far as the bodymechanics it's not even that close to Uppercut
I'm just trying to picture it not calling you out

And what works in the ring doesn't necessarily work on the street, on the street you have the possibility of multiple combatants, weapons, multiple styles, etc.

oh GOD, now I am going to have to deal with people strawmaning about lava and drug needles...THANKS DUDE

A legend at fighting? He achieved pretty much nothing as a fighter. He was important in progressing martial arts, but a legend at fighting no.

well, he was sought out for training by several Full Contact Karate Champions...and he also created a Martial Art (or a system of concepts as he would more likely call it) that's pretty handy as far as fighter achievments

I mean Fedor is considered the highest end of MMA, did he create a Martial Art? nope...

not trying to compare the two outright, just saying if you create an entire Martial Art (and it is sucessful) you have done some serious ****

[J_Bo]

There have been numerous people all vouching for bruc'es abliites. Including chuck norris who not only says bruce was good, but one of the best he has ever seen. If I was a betting man I'd say he was probably pretty decent...

ok. But does basing an opinion on heresay really hold any water?

I'm just saying for US, we never got to see or judge for ourselves which is why I will not just ASSUME he was truly a great fighter, because we cannot know. If you based your opinion off of watching him in live fight situations, then it would be much more valid, but the truth is we can't REALLY know.

[TheClips]

this was like 60 years ago martial arts has changed since, back then at his time no american was even at his level of martial arts

You're saying that no one could've slapped Bruce Lee in the face back then, especially if he's got his hands at dick-level? lol.

amateur implies sport.... home boy wasn't training for K-1 or the UFC.... he was training for the real world. I have no doubt if the **** went down, Bruce would have been ready.

Why? Because his name was Bruce Lee? Why if someone posts a video of themselves even fukking around on a heavy bag are they torn to shreds, but when Bruce Lee is doing it, he was just fukking around?

So, he wasn't a boxer, that's why his hands are low, yet wing chun is more or less comprised of bull**** if it were to be called a true fighting art, right? No if's and's or but's about it, the "real world" and MMA have proved this.....yet, Bruce Lee would "be ready" to attack/defend against someone who knew how to punch with great technique?....And people are saying that he definitely knew how to punch even though he definitely wasn't doing it there?

I think people pay waaaaay too much credence to Bruce Lee's abilities, instead of just his philosophies. I think they confuse talk with action and theory with proof.

[teamventure09]

I am Stig,

You've still yet to answer why have you 'Bumboy Internet Keyboard Warrior Of The Year' not gone to Tommy Carruthers to see his level????

He is in Scotland, so are you. I can even call him to come to you. Or arrange if you go to him to train for free.

He is faster and hits harder than anyone you will ever have seen, and he still isn't as good as Bruce Lee.

So what about it, Coward?

there are boxers who hit harder and faster then that guy. sorry why don't you go train with floyed mayweather. coward?

[DragonDude]

TeamVenture you've never trained with Tommy Carruthers or any top JKD guys as has been noted before! Quit talking directly from your Bottom.

I've trained with top Boxers, MMA, JKD guys you haven't, hence you being a complete Ignoramus talking pure ****E.

Just because someone does not fight in MMA, or when they move look like a MMA fighter, doesn't mean they are not a good martial artist or fighter. MMA is a ring sport with rules, lot more in the street you can do than that; and much in MMA events very impractical for the street.

Too many Internet fanboys like you that are experts because they watch UFC events on TV & other MMA events.

[teamventure09]

TeamVenture you've never trained with Tommy Carruthers or any top JKD guys as has been noted before! Quit talking directly from your Bottom.

I've trained with top Boxers, MMA, JKD guys you haven't, hence you being a complete Ignoramus talking pure ****E.

Just because someone does not fight in MMA, or when they move look like a MMA fighter, doesn't mean they are not a good martial artist or fighter. MMA is a ring sport with rules, lot more in the street you can do than that; and much in MMA events very impractical for the street.

Too many Internet fanboys like you that are experts because they watch UFC events on TV & other MMA events.

so what in mma is impractical for the street?

[DragonDude]

Sprawls - You can Get Boot In The Face or Slip.

Superman Punch.

Spinning Back Kicks.

Spinning Backfists. (sure you might get lucky but Stupid to try them in a real street fight and Intentionally turn your back).

Rear Thai Kicks in Close quarters like a Bar crowded, you try it you hit someone else or an object.

Girly Clinching & Hugging, opponent may have weapon like knife or bite you or gouge your eyes.

All Groundwork - not so much impractical in that it couldn't work in the street it could, more Impractical in that you NEVER want to take a fight to the ground Intentionally in the street. Far too many variables - oppnents friends may kick your head in, opponent may have knife or weapon, etc.

****ty Weak Lead Hand / Lead Leg - you try them as your opening moves in street fight someone may just take it & rip your head off.

Limited or Weak Straight Line Attacks to Keep Opponents Off You in the street.

MMA completely useless against multiple opponents in street, basically Muay Thai stand up one of the worst styles possible to fight multiple opponents.

Useless absolute ****e defences against knives or weapons using MMA skills.

So much more.