Misc Firearms Crew X: We prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery

[chasintail]

If you are keeping an eye out you can find ammo at normalish prices. You also don't need to go through a few hundred rounds for it to be an effective training outing.

This is true! Should work on some malfunction drills and reloading next time.

[Farley1324]

This is true! Should work on some malfunction drills and reloading next time.

A lot of these drills can be done at home.

After making exceptionally sure that the gun is unloaded, you can draw from the holster in your living room. You can work reloads for rifles or pistols at home. You can get into the various field positions with your rifle and dry fire.

[hutch1999]

Damn Pro, you make me want to load up all of my mags now.

[nick911sc]

Damn Pro, you make me want to load up all of my mags now.

This is an accurate comment haha

[chasintail]

Contextually speaking, the left is my "I believe we are approaching a disagreement" attire, and the right is my "It's on like Donkey Kong" wear:

Info on the vest on the right? Does it have a plate?

[tmac2206]

I wish I could say I had something particularly scientific, but it's pretty ad hoc. Most of the 5.56 magazines are stuffed into range/rifle bags or carry pouches of various sorts, with the remainder in a box in the closet:
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The AK mags are the same but stacked a bit more carelessly:
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I have a bunch of grab-mags on top of my safes:
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And then of course, being an Ivy League intellectual type, I believe that everything has to be taken in context.




Contextually speaking, the left is my "I believe we are approaching a disagreement" attire, and the right is my "It's on like Donkey Kong" wear:
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[dr.manhattan]

A first firearm that is best for learning, in .22lr, doesn't do self defense well.

Sorry, I didn't understand you here very well - do you mean that .22lr is great for learning, but not for self-defense? I know that .22 is not great for self-defense, but do you mean it has limited carryover, or that it is indeed a good stepping stone?

[chasintail]

A lot of these drills can be done at home.

After making exceptionally sure that the gun is unloaded, you can draw from the holster in your living room. You can work reloads for rifles or pistols at home. You can get into the various field positions with your rifle and dry fire.

Yea, I've got snap caps too. Just need to get on the range though.

[tmac2206]

Sorry, I didn't understand you here very well - do you mean that .22lr is great for learning, but not for self-defense? I know that .22 is not great for self-defense, but do you mean it has limited carryover, or that it is indeed a good stepping stone?

imo if your getting a handgun as well on top of the .22 rifle, I'd get something like a G17

[Bumpus]

Last week at the range I only fired 40 centerfire rounds.

High frequency, low volume.

Contextually speaking, the left is my "I believe we are approaching a disagreement" attire, and the right is my "It's on like Donkey Kong" wear:

Good looking pistols. I hope I can find some parts soon to get mine up. What buffer tube is that?

[jTink]

Damn Pro, you make me want to go buy a ton of mags and ammo then load the recently purchased ammo into the recently purchased mags.

^ How I feel.

[dr.manhattan]

imo if your getting a handgun as well on top of the .22 rifle, I'd get something like a G17

What's your logic with this answer?

I have a weird way of asking questions btw that I feel seems a little abrasive, but don't take it that way - just trying to ask a lot of questions and absorb as much information as possible.

[hutch1999]

Sorry, I didn't understand you here very well - do you mean that .22lr is great for learning, but not for self-defense? I know that .22 is not great for self-defense, but do you mean it has limited carryover, or that it is indeed a good stepping stone?

Basically a .22lr is great to practice with. It is cheap to shoot. Many of us buy versions of our favorite weapons in .22lr so practice carries over to the defensive weapons we use.

I personally have a sig 1911-22 for this purpose, and i know farley has a ar15-22 for a similar purpose of training.


Edit: DON'T BUY A .22LR FOR SELF DEFENSE

[proconsul]

Info on the vest on the right? Does it have a plate?

Left: Blackhawk low visibility plate carrier
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Low...ier,711,83.htm
Right: Condor Crye-Precision carrier
http://www.condoroutdoor.com/qpc_qui..._multicam.aspx

I find that both work well and seem to be put together perfectly fine for my needs. They're not PIG carriers, but I don't wear them 12 hours a day five days a week either.

The plates are TAP Gamma Plus plates (this was the best review I found on plate effectiveness http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=697092)

Good looking pistols. I hope I can find some parts soon to get mine up. What buffer tube is that?

Not sure... it came as a factory tube from Sig.

[Farley1324]

What's your logic with this answer?

I have a weird way of asking questions btw that I feel seems a little abrasive, but don't take it that way - just trying to ask a lot of questions and absorb as much information as possible.

You're fine.

Do you have a budget, or ideas?

Is there a chance you will want to carry the handgun at a later time?

A .22lr semi auto rifle, like a Ruger 10/22 or a Marlin 795...and then a Glock 19 or Glock 17 with a .22lr conversion for it would be a great way to go.

[Farley1324]

The plates are TAP Gamma Plus plates (see best review I found on plate effectiveness http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=697092)
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What I didn't like reading about the gamma plus plates:

"Back Face Deformation: These plates had larger BFD, similar to the previously tested TenH plates--soft armor backing is highly recommended."


Personally I don't think I want to buy plates where it is highly recommended to also wear soft armour under them so you don't get injured by deformation on the back of the plate.

[itsnotjon]

i think im going to sell my stuff before moving to VT

Why? Where are you now?
If MA wouldbuy/10

[tmac2206]

What's your logic with this answer?

I have a weird way of asking questions btw that I feel seems a little abrasive, but don't take it that way - just trying to ask a lot of questions and absorb as much information as possible.

not a big deal at all, questions are good

farley summed it up ^^^ .22 rifle and a 9mm glock are a good base

[itsnotjon]

Please respond.
Cannot find a Glock 19/17 in MA to save my life.

[chasintail]

Left: Blackhawk low visibility plate carrier
http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Low...ier,711,83.htm
Right: Condor Crye-Precision carrier
http://www.condoroutdoor.com/qpc_qui..._multicam.aspx

I find that both work well and seem to be put together perfectly fine for my needs. They're not PIG carriers, but I don't wear them 12 hours a day five days a week either.

The plates are TAP Gamma Plus plates (this was the best review I found on plate effectiveness http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=697092)

Wow, thanks for the details! Measlies, brah.

[livebrah]

Please respond.
Cannot find a Glock 19/17 in MA to save my life.

are you opposed to revolvers
that is another option

[dr.manhattan]

Edit: DON'T BUY A .22LR FOR SELF DEFENSE

Haha, yeah I knew that already - just trying to get into shooting.

You're fine.

Do you have a budget, or ideas?

Is there a chance you will want to carry the handgun at a later time?

A .22lr semi auto rifle, like a Ruger 10/22 or a Marlin 795...and then a Glock 19 or Glock 17 with a .22lr conversion for it would be a great way to go.

Budget... I'd say somewhere between poverty level and minimum-wage job level.

Carry... small likelihood. Not sure if I feel comfortable with it or if my job would allow it. Most likely for home protection.

My end goal for firearm ownership is for self-defense purposes and SHTF situation (I hope that last reason doesn't sound dumb).

[Lakersbake]

4 packages in the mail today, yeahhhhhhh.

Assault boots
steel case .223
usgi mags from psa

[nick911sc]

4 packages in the mail today, yeahhhhhhh.

Assault boots
steel case .223
usgi mags from psa

I've been looking for some boots, what did you end up with?

[Farley1324]

Question: How many cycles of a magazine do you like to get before you trust it? Let's say it's a known-good rifle and a magazine manufacturer/type that has a good reputation.

I only have 6 AR magazines that I have proven/can really trust. I put new followers in all of my 30 round NHMTG mags so I need to run them again to trust them, and I sold most of the PMAGs that I had been using.

And ammo is so expensive right now, I can't afford to shoot a bunch of rounds to really test mags. I'm thinking about just loading htem up once with 30 rounds and then calling it good. They wouldn't be the mags kept in the rifle, I reserve that for mags I have used more extensively, but you see where this question is going.

What do you do/consider a good standard?

[FitStick]

Haha, yeah I knew that already - just trying to get into shooting.



Budget... I'd say somewhere between poverty level and minimum-wage job level.

Carry... small likelihood. Not sure if I feel comfortable with it or if my job would allow it. Most likely for home protection.

My end goal for firearm ownership is for self-defense purposes and SHTF situation (I hope that last reason doesn't sound dumb).

You're in the right place. *******.

Don't cheap out on a carry piece, if you have to save for longer, do it. They aren't ridiculously expensive, Glocks are solid guns and don't cost a fortune, if that's the route you're going.

[Farley1324]

I've been looking for some boots, what did you end up with?

Pretty good deal going right now

http://www.lapolicegear.com/5tahwabocobr.html

[nick911sc]

Question: How many cycles of a magazine do you like to get before you trust it? Let's say it's a known-good rifle and a magazine manufacturer/type that has a good reputation.

I only have 6 AR magazines that I have proven/can really trust. I put new followers in all of my 30 round NHMTG mags so I need to run them again to trust them, and I sold most of the PMAGs that I had been using.

And ammo is so expensive right now, I can't afford to shoot a bunch of rounds to really test mags. I'm thinking about just loading htem up once with 30 rounds and then calling it good. They wouldn't be the mags kept in the rifle, I reserve that for mags I have used more extensively, but you see where this question is going.

What do you do/consider a good standard?

I have magazines that I use and know they don't malfunction, the others, I usually test out at the range to make sure they function properly. It doesn't necessarily have to be 1000 rounds... But running them through their paces at the range seems alright.

[Farley1324]

I have magazines that I use and know they don't malfunction, the others, I usually test out at the range to make sure they function properly. It doesn't necessarily have to be 1000 rounds... But running them through their paces at the range seems alright.

What do you consider to be their paces?

I don't know if I should just take one new magazine to use tomorrow, or two or three. I won't be firing many rounds.

[itsnotjon]

are you opposed to revolvers
that is another option

Already have a S&W 360Pd .357
And a Glock 30

I want a G19/17 to shoot steel.