theories on shoulder pain

[Payton1221]

Upper Rotator Cuff is 75% torn and will require surgery. Out of the gym completely for 6 weeks, then another 6 weeks of not using that arm.

My eyes were leaking with the news. When I was out of the gym for covid it about kilt me. Gained 20 lbs, blood levels got way bad. The gym is huge part of my mental health and identity. At least then I could play my guitar and fap, can't even do that after surgery.

Bando,

Sorry for the late reply and your bad news. Try not to gain weight this time. I'll often hear people talking about losing this much weight or that much weight . . . let's say it's 50 lbs. I'll say "you know what's 10X easier than losing 50 lbs? LOSING 5!!!" Dieting sucks.

Praying for a quick, full recovery!

[Bando]

Well here we go. less than 40 hours until "right shoulder arthroscopy, rotator cuff repair, subacromial decompression, acromioplasty, biceps tenotomy vs tenodesis."

Worst thing is I just benched 245 x 8 with a slight decline this summer. I don't feel that busted up.

[Pterodactyl314]

Nice bump I was just bitching about my shoulder. I think CrossFit, swimming, and then sleeping on it wrong did me in several years ago. I’ve also overused flat bench so that’s a possibility. That and rarely stretching.

[x-trainer ben]

That flat bench seems to be the culprit for many of us, oddly enough my pain disappeared.
I got really lucky because i was certain that a surgery was in my future.
cliffs: Don't lift so dam heavy or stuff will break, lol.

[ajdahlheimer]

Worst thing is I just benched 245 x 8 with a slight decline this summer. I don't feel that busted up.

Yeah, that's a good lift--but if it is a constant pain all the time, you probably want to go under the knife.....

[LWW]

Worst thing is I just benched 245 x 8 with a slight decline this summer. I don't feel that busted up.

Decline is actually better angle for shoulders.

Something just hit me, like a ton of bricks. All the form police criticize the arch benchers. I wonder if arch bench is actually better on the shoulders?

I laugh at these form police folks who want to see a perfect executed bench. The only place for that is a power meet. If your pressing a weight with an arch, your still working pressing muscles under max loads, your still gonna gain.

Lots of other “pec” exercises out there, like heavy flys, or pec deck lol.

[mtpockets]

Decline is actually better angle for shoulders.

Something just hit me, like a ton of bricks. All the form police criticize the arch benchers. I wonder if arch bench is actually better on the shoulders?

I laugh at these form police folks who want to see a perfect executed bench. The only place for that is a power meet. If your pressing a weight with an arch, your still working pressing muscles under max loads, your still gonna gain.

Lots of other “pec” exercises out there, like heavy flys, or pec deck lol.

I don't know why anyone would criticise someone benching with an arch. I believe that arched actually recruit more of the pec than other bench variations and is great for both bodybuilding and strength.

[ajdahlheimer]

All the form police criticize the arch benchers. I wonder if arch bench is actually better on the shoulders?

What good are healthy shoulders if you destroy your back/spine performing some moronic arch bench?

Take a lap and hit the showers, bro.......

[LWW]

What good are healthy shoulders if you destroy your back/spine performing some moronic arch bench?

Take a lap and hit the showers, bro.......

I've never heard of someone with a strong core destroying their back arching a bench? The old-time lifters used to do pullovers and press in the neck bridge, or pullovers and press before the bench was ever invented.

Many of people have damaged disks from conventional deads and squat though.

[ajdahlheimer]

I've never heard of someone with a strong core destroying their back arching a bench? The old-time lifters used to do pullovers and press in the neck bridge, or pullovers and press before the bench was ever invented.

Most people don't have a strong anything, let alone a strong core. Arch benching is dumb AF and a recipe for injury. Seen it a million times.......

[LWW]

Most people don't have a strong anything, let alone a strong core. Arch benching is dumb AF and a recipe for injury. Seen it a million times.......

As anything, there’s a right way and a wrong way.

You know you can utilize the hips in an arch right? Not your back.

For best and safest position, the bar should be lower, more like at nipple or a little below. It gets more dangerous when the bar higher up, as the hips aren’t supporting it.

I know thing or two, about a thing or two.

I generally do all my higher rep floor pressing for starting strict and then I
Start arching. But that’s just me.

[Bando]

Surgery went well, rotator cuff was a clean tear, upper bicep tendon was also repaired. In a sling now, 4 weeks in sling, pain tolerable.

I've been a miserable azzhole to some people in this community leading up this. I apologise, there's no excuse for it.

The dread, anger and misery I've been through leading up to this was not worth it, I just needed to grow up and realize I'm not invincible.

[x-trainer ben]

Surgery went well, rotator cuff was a clean tear, upper bicep tendon was also repaired. In a sling now, 4 weeks in sling, pain tolerable.

I've been a miserable azzhole to some people in this community leading up this. I apologise, there's no excuse for it.

The dread, anger and misery I've been through leading up to this was not worth it, I just needed to grow up and realize I'm not invincible.

All good, no worries, we all dread what you are experiencing, so we get it!

[LWW]

Surgery went well, rotator cuff was a clean tear, upper bicep tendon was also repaired. In a sling now, 4 weeks in sling, pain tolerable.

I've been a miserable azzhole to some people in this community leading up this. I apologise, there's no excuse for it.

The dread, anger and misery I've been through leading up to this was not worth it, I just needed to grow up and realize I'm not invincible.

Just think you’ll be part bionic man soon. You’ll probably make better gains with that repair than those of us with original parts.

[Bando]

Fuuuukkk not a good shoulder day Amigos

[Bando]

3 weeks post op. I think hammering shoulders in the weeks leading up was a good plan. It's nasty with the 5 incisions, but still the same size as the nonsurgical side. Sling comes off next week and then the real fun begins.

[Karl_Hungus]

3 weeks post op. I think hammering shoulders in the weeks leading up was a good plan. It's nasty with the 5 incisions, but still the same size as the nonsurgical side. Sling comes off next week and then the real fun begins.

How soon can you begin light training?

[x-trainer ben]

keep us posted since a few of us may be dealing with this in the future.
the good and the bad.

[Bando]

How soon can you begin light training?

I can do anything that doesn't involve that shoulder in 4 days. For several weeks I'll just be doing ROM stuff with the shoulder, I can do a few things with that side OK, but I can't brush my hair, can't raise my arm high enough.

I'm getting pretty good with my left hand, takes me way longer to eat, kind of interesting watching everyone shovel food down and be done 10 minutes before me.

1st thing I'm going to do is pick up my gently sleeping guitar, as much as I've missed heavy weights, I've missed my Ibanez even more.

[Bando]

keep us posted since a few of us may be dealing with this in the future.
the good and the bad.

I wouldn't do it if you're not in pain. My build before the surgery was close to the best I've ever looked. Now I have months of rehab before I can even put my muscle back into place.

sucks

[x-trainer ben]

I wouldn't do it if you're not in pain. My build before the surgery was close to the best I've ever looked. Now I have months of rehab before I can even put my muscle back into place.

sucks

I hear ya.

[Karl_Hungus]

I wouldn't do it if you're not in pain. My build before the surgery was close to the best I've ever looked. Now I have months of rehab before I can even put my muscle back into place.

sucks

It will come back quickly though. Muscle memory is an incredible thing

[Bando]

It will come back quickly though. Muscle memory is an incredible thing

The scars are terrible, 5 of them. I'll get my wife to take a pic.

I have no doubt I can regain my size, if not my strength by summer, but what good is a shoulder that looks like it was hacked up by an apprentice butcher?

shoulder2.jpg

[ajdahlheimer]

The scars are terrible, 5 of them. I'll get my wife to take a pic.

I have no doubt I can regain my size, if not my strength by summer, but what good is a shoulder that looks like it was hacked up by an apprentice butcher?

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[mtpockets]

The scars are terrible, 5 of them. I'll get my wife to take a pic.

I have no doubt I can regain my size, if not my strength by summer, but what good is a shoulder that looks like it was hacked up by an apprentice butcher?

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It’s just a few scars, If it bothers you that much, wear a shirt, as long as your employment doesn’t involve a stripper pole or a Chippendales banana hammock,
















You’ll be just fine. When they heal it will look better.







Just consider it character. I would gladly trade pain free functionality for a few scars any day.

[Bando]

Out of the sling for 2 weeks, felt good to pick up my guitar again. Pain negligible, weakness pretty annoying.

Started PT yesterday but been doing youtube stuff at home to keep the blood flowing. PT is just stretching for 2 more weeks then band work for 4 then weights at 6 weeks.

I was concerned about scars so I started using a scar gel as soon as the stitches came out. I met with the surgeon this morning and said "I was concerned about scars so I started using a scar gel as soon as the stitches came out." He inspected my incisions and said "wow I've never seen scars heal this quickly, there's hardly going to be anything to see, you must have amazing healing abilities." So I guess medical science doesn't support scar cream even when the results are staring them in the face.

As for the gym, I started cardio and a little light core work at 3 weeks, 5 weeks legs and heavier core stuff and yesterday started heavyish non operative side work. It's kind of crazy working one side even though I know it's beneficial. A few days ago I got an article from one of my feeds where Dorian Yates snapped his tricep tendon a few weeks before Olympia and still competed, it was nasty, "blood and guts" but he did it. According to him working the strong side will help the weak side. I don't have his DR's but my sports doc says I should be where I was pre-op by May.

In my gym there's currently a big fish, small pond guy maybe 40, with a decent build that likes to instruct all the kids on what they are doing wrong. He's a big show off, stringer tank, covered in tattoos. He makes a point to strut around with his muscles in front of me, it doesn't really bother me, I'm guilty of doing that in the past.

Take care of your shoulders people, there's a few light exercises you can do a few times a week that will help you avoid the BS I'm going through.

[LWW]

In my gym there's currently a big fish, small pond guy maybe 40, with a decent build

He's a big show off, stringer tank, covered in tattoos.

He sounds alright to me, except the string tanks are kinda stupid.

I like to start my custom cuts at the neck of the shirt and go out. Nipples should NEVER be exposed.

I’m going to cut one my flannels that way so it exposes my traps, they should be getting good size around spring.

Looking forward to seeing your comeback Bando!

[x-trainer ben]

Bando when you get bored, write a post on lessons learned and the exercises to prevent going through what you just did.

I wrote this post because i was certain i would be going through what you just did, but i got very very lucky.

[LWW]

I wrote this post because i was certain i would be going through what you just did, but i got very very lucky.

What happened to you? From what I recall Bando was doing flat bench for about 8 reps going heavier than normal?

[Bando]

From what I recall Bando was doing flat bench for about 8 reps going heavier than normal?

I was cutting down a tree.