Calling out shameful marketing tactics of ProMera

[rob112]

Yeah, I agree and I see both sides, but it's just MY opinion, not meant to be offensive in any way towards any reps but some are pretty bad lol

The only thing that really annoys me on this topic is when someone makes a thread saying "Okay, I have it narrowed down to supplement X and Supplement Y, need help deciding which" and a rep comes in with "Z"(from their company) is really super awesome fun time." That or when a rep for "X" starts down talking "Y."

There are a lot of cool reps on here though.

EDIT: Exception when "X" and "Y" actually suck. Then explain why and proceed to pimp

[J1mb0]

The only thing that really annoys me on this topic is when someone makes a thread saying "Okay, I have it narrowed down to supplement X and Supplement Y, need help deciding which" and a rep comes in with "Z"(from their company) is really super awesome fun time." That or when a rep for "X" starts down talking "Y."

There are a lot of cool reps on here though.

EDIT: Exception when "X" and "Y" actually suck. Then explain why and proceed to pimp

hahaha so true, the worst though is when reps are indirectly down-talking companies and they just go back and forth trying to one-up each other w/o actually directly saying it. Those threads just get awkward

[rob112]

hahaha so true, the worst though is when reps are indirectly down-talking companies and they just go back and forth trying to one-up each other w/o actually directly saying it. Those threads just get awkward

That **** is awkward lol, seen that many times.

[PuZOsNemisis]

puzo my buddy dude take a chill pill and calm down already. I can understand not liking a product you have tried but you openly state you have never tried this. There are lots of things I dont like much on here but i have much better things to do with my time than bash promera and concret like u do all the time. I mean this is like your 25th forum agains something you never tried? Really....... comon tell us who you are a rep for and go on the merits of your own product and quite tying to be such a hater it only makes you look ****in stupid dude. who pissed in your cherios every morning or are you really that hateful?

Now, I am going to try to be as civil as possible. All the time you see how everyone taking Con Cret says it's the best thing they have ever used. They keep perpetuating that it not only gives them "energy"(wut) but reduces DOMS(wut). Now, obviously the ProMera reps don't say anything about that, but they keep perpetuating it, by saying "some users say they..." even though they know(they shoudl) that creatine cannot reduces DOMS or give you "energy" in the sense like caffeine does.

Now here is the part I don't like. All these bs new PR's that all the Con Cret users keep hitting. They contribute all of their success to Con Cret. What about to progressive overloading of your muscles? Why can't you attribute your success to that? Is this the only way they can promote their product? This has nothing to do with how "effective" the product is, but rather the shameful marketing of the product.

You get stronger and get bigger because you progressively overload your muscles, not because you are taking Con Cret. I am just curious as to why so many people fall trap to this marketing technique?

I am NOT BASHING anyone, just think we should be able to discuss how companies market their products. If VPX wants to market their COP product as a creatine and we are allowed to discuss that, why can't we discuss how ProMera markets their product?

[JH34PG]

Not nearly to the extend of Con Cret. How many logs are there? How many tiems does a user hit a new PR? There is a lack of scientific evidence to support most of their claims, yet they keep at it. ProMera is far from honest.

who has more logs...Con Cret or Juggernaut? lol

[RVAPump]

Results I'm Experiencing From This Thread So Far:

-decreased DOMS
-increased energy
-just set a new PR in teeth brushing...finished in under 15 seconds

[DGreekStallion]

Results I'm Experiencing From This Thread So Far:

-decreased DOMS
-increased energy
-just set a new PR in teeth brushing...finished in under 15 seconds

Mildly funny.

[rob112]

Results I'm Experiencing From This Thread So Far:

-decreased DOMS
-increased energy
-just set a new PR in teeth brushing...finished in under 15 seconds

So, some of the users in Puzo's thread are experiencing decreased DOMS, increase of energy, and setting PR's in brushing teeth.

AMIRITE?

[Hansolo261]

Well most reps on here pretty much do what there do in exchange for free supps. This was exposed when a few board reps thought it was cool to keep bashing muscletech and using that to pub their own products. Well muscletech filed a lawsuit and I believe even sued a few board reps and the companys they rep for pretty much left them hanging. Now you see reps putting that disclaimer in their sigs.

[J1mb0]

puzo my buddy dude take a chill pill and calm down already. I can understand not liking a product you have tried but you openly state you have never tried this. There are lots of things I dont like much on here but i have much better things to do with my time than bash promera and concret like u do all the time. I mean this is like your 25th forum agains something you never tried? Really....... comon tell us who you are a rep for and go on the merits of your own product and quite tying to be such a hater it only makes you look ****in stupid dude. who pissed in your cherios every morning or are you really that hateful?

You're bashing somebody while hiding behind a second account...hmmmmm

[J1mb0]

so, some of the users in puzo's thread are experiencing decreased doms, increase of energy, and setting pr's in brushing teeth.

Amirite? :d

brb gunna brush my teeth

[itzDodge]

**** these Juggernaut logs...


Carry on

[AJP1]

Well most reps on here pretty much do what there do in exchange for free supps. This was exposed when a few board reps thought it was cool to keep bashing muscletech and using that to pub their own products. Well muscletech filed a lawsuit and I believe even sued a few board reps and the companys they rep for pretty much left them hanging. Now you see reps putting that disclaimer in their sigs.

I must have missed that. Guess MuscleTech wasnt play with they azz huh?
I am not taking sides here. I see if from every angle. I do not know what reps get for repping (guess the obvious would be sups), but as long as it done in a professional and proper way and no bashing its fine. The sample idea is the best way to go. Most reps I have encounter I have not seen bash a product, they just want you to try their product. They should go about it the correct way. I have a con-cret log up my self. It just started and its my first log. Im fair and honest about the product. If I make a gain that I dont think I would have made w/o the help of the sup Im going to state it, and if I dont notice anything Im going to state that as well.

Bottom line is you may never know if you could have made that same gain with or with out the supplement if you were off sups at the time anyways. Someone here said it best, diet and training are the main 2 variables; if you can move an extra 10lbs or 5 more reps and your diet and training have been the same for a while, then it just might be the supplement.....

[DASBUNKER]

i just took a dump and didnt have to wipe.. this thread does enhance one abilities.

[journey2swole]

Now, I am going to try to be as civil as possible. All the time you see how everyone taking Con Cret says it's the best thing they have ever used. They keep perpetuating that it not only gives them "energy"(wut) but reduces DOMS(wut). Now, obviously the ProMera reps don't say anything about that, but they keep perpetuating it, by saying "some users say they..." even though they know(they shoudl) that creatine cannot reduces DOMS or give you "energy" in the sense like caffeine does.

Now here is the part I don't like. All these bs new PR's that all the Con Cret users keep hitting. They contribute all of their success to Con Cret. What about to progressive overloading of your muscles? Why can't you attribute your success to that? Is this the only way they can promote their product? This has nothing to do with how "effective" the product is, but rather the shameful marketing of the product.

You get stronger and get bigger because you progressively overload your muscles, not because you are taking Con Cret. I am just curious as to why so many people fall trap to this marketing technique?

I am NOT BASHING anyone, just think we should be able to discuss how companies market their products. If VPX wants to market their COP product as a creatine and we are allowed to discuss that, why can't we discuss how ProMera markets their product?

PuZo, I am somewhat confused by this thread as a whole. I understand that market share is a precious commodity and I am not sure who you represent but you have stated unequivocally that Monohydrate works for you beyond comparison and that you are going to continue using it. I have stated in numerous other threads that I respect the fact that you have found something that works for you that great and your choice to use whatever you desire. I fail to understand why our presence on this this site provides you so much continued concern unless we are in direct competition?

CON-CRET does not contain any stims so therefor will not give you "energy" but with proper muscle nourishment and hydration it will potentially give a user increased endurance which may be confused or misstated as energy. CON-CRET also contains no BCAA formulation (see GLUTA-TREN from ProMera) and therefor does not directly eliminate nor reduce DOMS as such. However again, with proper supplementation and using CON-CRET as a part of a regimented routine muscle soreness may be greatly reduced.

You further state that CON-CRET has no effect on being able to achieve PRs during use - I can only speak from my own personal experience and say that you are correct in your statement: "What about to progressive overloading of your muscles? Why can't you attribute your success to that? Anybody on this site who believes that a supplement does the work for them without a lot of hard work and dedication on their part is not using common sense. However, as most people on this site will tell you, they purchase supplements to enhance their workouts and to assist them in pushing to the next level. Hitting that one extra rep or adding that extra 5 lbs of weight. I can again tell you from experience I have hit PRs using CON-CRET and other products that I do not believe I would have hit on my own.

Again, you state "Is this the only way they can promote their product? This has nothing to do with how "effective" the product is, but rather the shameful marketing of the product." Obviously CON-CRET is marketed on many different aspects all relating to user experience and not on one sole occurrence.

I think your true intentions are demonstrated in the title of this thread, although you state I am NOT BASHING anyone, just think we should be able to discuss how companies market their products. If VPX wants to market their COP product as a creatine and we are allowed to discuss that, why can't we discuss how ProMera markets their product? the mere title of your thread tells a truly different tale: Calling out shameful marketing tactics of ProMera would anyone not agree that this is a "non civil" and "bashing" statement in and of itself?

I have no issues with you, you are certainly entitled to your own ideals, beliefs, decisions and opinions and the freedom to express those same virtues. I do however take issue with the fact that in your above statements you raise the question that I or any member of my team is being dis-honest or dis-ingenuous in our use of the product(s) we represent here. Honestly, this is a hobby and as stated before I make no income from ProMera Health and no commission on use or purchase of their products. I recommend a vast array of bodybuilding supplements in which I have personal experience in using and ProMera products are one of those. If I have not had success with a particular product in my own use IE: bulk Monohydrate Creatine I do not discourage anyone from trying it out and using it to determine if it works for them but I will also tell them that I have achieved my best performance while using CON-CRET. Is that not the job of a company forum rep on this site, Sir? You will never find where I have bashed or discredited any other competitor product.

Again, you are entitled to your own views and you have the inalienable right to express those views herein. I do, however, take offense to your claims of dishonesty, mis-representations and un fair marketing tactics. Those statements sir are not fact but slanderous opinions and statements against my and many good solid contributors to these forums character.

[DASBUNKER]

inb4 lawsuit

[itzDodge]

This just in creatine is good for athletes looking to up their game.

[TXGTOU]

I like turtles.......... And by "turtles" I mean Promera's new recovery drink, I just completed a new personal best, I bench pressed a New Beetle and squat thrusted an 18 wheeler! [/promotional sarcasm]

[RyouBakua]

I like turtles.......... And by "turtles" I mean Promera's new recovery drink, I just completed a new personal best, I bench pressed a New Beetle and squat thrusted an 18 wheeler! [/promotional sarcasm]

[changemyoil66]

Honestly every company always brings out the positive side in their product whether it be supplements or even cars. You see chevy comercials on TV but we all know that Toyota is a far better car. Why not bash Chevy for not stating how unreliable the vehicle is after the 3 year mark. ( and yes I have owned a chevy before so I know).

If you dont like the product just dont recommend it if someone ask how it is. You dont have to go out of your way to post how it sucks. And if you dont like it then dont try it either. Only you know how your body reacts to supplements.

For me I love concret i plateaued before I started taking it. My plateau was for 3 straight months of same weights. The only thing I added to my diet that was different was the concret so I know it was that that helped me get stronger. I never got any added energy or reduced DOMS from the product but my strenght did go up a lot and so did my size.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

....

lol, you're on your way to being the new sixthsense.......you may as well quit while you're ahead, just gonna make you and your company look like a bunch of fools *even though you've done a good job with that on these boards already hahaha*

[Daycrawler]

lol, you're on your way to being the new sixthsense.......you may as well quit while you're ahead, just gonna make you and your company look like a bunch of fools *even though you've done a good job with that on these boards already hahaha*

MMhmm sure, sure. Cause iForce has such a great reputation here too hahahahah

(Obviously just being a sarcastic bastard and adding fuel to the fire)

[PuZo]

PuZo, I am somewhat confused by this thread as a whole. I understand that market share is a precious commodity and I am not sure who you represent but you have stated unequivocally that Monohydrate works for you beyond comparison and that you are going to continue using it. I have stated in numerous other threads that I respect the fact that you have found something that works for you that great and your choice to use whatever you desire. I fail to understand why our presence on this this site provides you so much continued concern unless we are in direct competition?

I already explained that I believe your marketing tactics to be extremely disrespectful towards the consumer. Mr.Faulkner has not responded after his "1 and only" post in which there seems to be a lot of irregularities with simple science.

CON-CRET does not contain any stims so therefor will not give you "energy" but with proper muscle nourishment and hydration it will potentially give a user increased endurance which may be confused or misstated as energy. CON-CRET also contains no BCAA formulation (see GLUTA-TREN from ProMera) and therefor does not directly eliminate nor reduce DOMS as such. However again, with proper supplementation and using CON-CRET as a part of a regimented routine muscle soreness may be greatly reduced.

1. Some users report it giving them energy, and when they do, none of your reps tell them"it shouldn't" just that "Ya, it's good stuff" this further perpetuating factually incorrect statements.

2. Gluta-Tren would not reduce DOMS regardless, as glutamine does not improve recovery

3. Creatine in no way aids in reducing DOMS. You can add or remove creatine with ANY "recovery" supplement and it will not make a material difference.

You further state that CON-CRET has no effect on being able to achieve PRs during use - I can only speak from my own personal experience and say that you are correct in your statement: "What about to progressive overloading of your muscles? Why can't you attribute your success to that? Anybody on this site who believes that a supplement does the work for them without a lot of hard work and dedication on their part is not using common sense. However, as most people on this site will tell you, they purchase supplements to enhance their workouts and to assist them in pushing to the next level. Hitting that one extra rep or adding that extra 5 lbs of weight. I can again tell you from experience I have hit PRs using CON-CRET and other products that I do not believe I would have hit on my own.

No, I said repetitive accomplishments of new PR's every week. Do you not think, without creatine, that you would get stronger every week by progressively overloading your muscles? If you hit a new PR a few times.. fine. But every single workout? PLEASE. You just admitted that you need supplements in order to believe you can hit a new PR. This, sadly, speaks for itself about your reliance on supplements in order to "become" stronger.

Again, you state "Is this the only way they can promote their product? This has nothing to do with how "effective" the product is, but rather the shameful marketing of the product." Obviously CON-CRET is marketed on many different aspects all relating to user experience and not on one sole occurrence.

No, this is not a sole occurrence but has been going on since the beginning of ProMera.

I think your true intentions are demonstrated in the title of this thread, although you state I am NOT BASHING anyone, just think we should be able to discuss how companies market their products. If VPX wants to market their COP product as a creatine and we are allowed to discuss that, why can't we discuss how ProMera markets their product? the mere title of your thread tells a truly different tale: Calling out shameful marketing tactics of ProMera would anyone not agree that this is a "non civil" and "bashing" statement in and of itself?

I said, I am going to try and make this as civil as possible. You can't polish a turd.. unfortunately.

I have no issues with you, you are certainly entitled to your own ideals, beliefs, decisions and opinions and the freedom to express those same virtues. I do however take issue with the fact that in your above statements you raise the question that I or any member of my team is being dis-honest or dis-ingenuous in our use of the product(s) we represent here. Honestly, this is a hobby and as stated before I make no income from ProMera Health and no commission on use or purchase of their products. I recommend a vast array of bodybuilding supplements in which I have personal experience in using and ProMera products are one of those. If I have not had success with a particular product in my own use IE: bulk Monohydrate Creatine I do not discourage anyone from trying it out and using it to determine if it works for them but I will also tell them that I have achieved my best performance while using CON-CRET. Is that not the job of a company forum rep on this site, Sir? You will never find where I have bashed or discredited any other competitor product.

Again, you are entitled to your own views and you have the inalienable right to express those views herein. I do, however, take offense to your claims of dishonesty, mis-representations and un fair marketing tactics. Those statements sir are not fact but slanderous opinions and statements against my and many good solid contributors to these forums character.

Once again, you fail to touch up on 1 very important factor. WHY AREN'T YOU MENTIONING ANYTHING ABOUT IMPROVED SATURATION TIME. Your product, Con Cret, is proven, by science, to increase saturation time. Why don't you mention this? You guys say it doesn't need to be loaded, but unfortunately, it does, to the same extent that mono does, it will just take less time. So I am curious why none of your reps mention that?

Also, how many people in this thread have agreed with my point of view to an extent? Sadly, it speaks for itself. Not only that, but dual repping for 2 companies? Doesn't make any logical sense. Both have extremely "debatable" products, both are heavily marketed towards a "new" generation of bodybuilders. Your CEO or creator or whoever he is, cannot answer a fundamental question.

All I am saying, is market your product properly. About how it saturates you quicker. You still have to load if you choose to, but you cannot say there is no loading required, this is a blatant lie.

PLEASE, correct your users when they say they have increased energy or reduced DOMS. TELL THEM IT WASN'T CON CRET THAT DID THAT FOR THEM.

If I make a statement saying:

McDonalds is bad for you, but it helps me add 5lbs to my bench

and you reply by saying

Yes, McDonalds is not the best thing for you. You are inferring that the rest of the statement is correct, by choosing to leave it out and not address it. That is what you are doing when users report reduced DOMS. Why do you let them believe Con Cret is reducing their DOMS?

My concerns are warranted and valid. Obviously, you are completely biased since I am basically targeting you, and I am sorry for that. I left out Infinite Labs which is equally as worse.

How can you fix this? Simple.

1. Market your product accordingly. Increased saturation time. That's about it......

2. Correct the consumer when they make a factually incorrect statement... like when they say they get "energy" or if they say they have reduced DOMS.

3. We do not need 1000 logs going on about Con Cret. We really don't.

4. Get Mr.Faulker to make another "brief" appearance to address some concerns that were left unanswered. If he truly believes in this product as do you, I implore you to prove it.

5. Remove "Health" from your company name, as it is extremely misleading since you carry absolutely no health products of any kind.

Lastly....this isn't slander. IF anything, it is libel. Slander is verbal, libel is written. And no, it is not libel. My "claims" are warranted and valid, as the response of other members in this thread suggests just that.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

MMhmm sure, sure. Cause iForce has such a great reputation here too hahahahah

(Obviously just being a sarcastic bastard and adding fuel to the fire)

haha its all good......all the sheet iforce takes on here usually leads back to the ph stuff....but its not like its some big secret that there were steroids in the steroids. and most of that comes from trolls

and while we have a couple products with some pretty bold marketing, while i have tried the, you dont see me suggesting them that often

[PuZo]

haha its all good......all the sheet iforce takes on here usually leads back to the ph stuff....but its not like its some big secret that there were steroids in the steroids. and most of that comes from trolls

and while we have a couple products with some pretty bold marketing, while i have tried the, you dont see me suggesting them that often

It's one thing for it to be labelled on the physical product. It's another for a rep to further perpetuate those "claims".

[Valenzuelatech]

puzo my buddy dude take a chill pill and calm down already. I can understand not liking a product you have tried but you openly state you have never tried this. There are lots of things I dont like much on here but i have much better things to do with my time than bash promera and concret like u do all the time. I mean this is like your 25th forum agains something you never tried? Really....... comon tell us who you are a rep for and go on the merits of your own product and quite tying to be such a hater it only makes you look ****in stupid dude. who pissed in your cherios every morning or are you really that hateful?

Attn Company Reps:

Do not make secondary accounts like this. It will be banned as will your original account.

[PuZo]

Attn Company Reps:

Do not make secondary accounts like this. It will be banned as will your original account.

I am almost 100% this is LouB2010. Please ban him "just in case".

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Attn Company Reps:

Do not make secondary accounts like this. It will be banned as will your original account.

ouchhhhhh

[sloop]

[rob112]

I am almost 100% this is LouB2010. Please ban him "just in case".

2nd this notion