Trans fat and hydrogenated oil

[Kahldris]

Are you by any chance a schizophrenic?

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Are you by any chance a schizophrenic?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...y-disorder.htm

[Kahldris]

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...y-disorder.htm

I am still convinced he is experiencing hallucinations.

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^ I had a feeling you'd try that.

[Kahldris]

It was the obvious counter, I will admit

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Kudos.

[Kirra]

5 star thread.

[Xfaxtor]

more human studies... http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/pre...s03272007.html


once again i say though, do not discredit rat studies, unless you are willing to donate your organs for in vivo, or in vitro post mortem studies.

Do you even read these studies?

Why cant I discredit rat studies? Because Im not willing to donate organs? That makes zero sense. Are you trying to sound retarded?

[sawoobley]

Do you even read these studies?
Why cant I discredit rat studies? Because Im not willing to donate organs? That makes zero sense. Are you trying to sound retarded?

Brb, posting rat and epidemiological studies when Randomized Controlled Trials exist.

[synthetic]

Do you even read these studies?

Why cant I discredit rat studies? Because Im not willing to donate organs? That makes zero sense. Are you trying to sound retarded?

you just dont get it - dissecting the organs , blood analysis is harder proof of an effect rather than trying to attempt statistical tests on humans when there are so many control factors - the studies are done from birth to death of the animal.. a randomized control cannot account for former habits of the subject where they might have change their life recently

[sawoobley]

you just dont get it - dissecting the organs , blood analysis is harder proof of an effect rather than trying to attempt statistical tests on humans when there are so many control factors - the studies are done from birth to death of the animal.. a randomized control cannot account for former habits of the subject where they might have change their life recently

You cannot directly compare these types of studies of rats to humans. It only works if you know that your treatment will have a similar effect in rats as in humans. Are rats known to be a good model in studying trans-fats compared to humans? Very unlikely since the effects of trans-fats is so widespread throughout the organism. You cannot get better than tests in humans. The variation between humans is taken into account by having large sample sizes and by reproducing the results through numerous studies performed by different researchers. As the evidence accumulates it becomes more and more certain.

Not only that but since rats develop quite differently than humans it is not a tremendous benefit to see how trans fats affects rat development in the absence of human studies. Animal studies do matter but the strength of evidence they provide is not stronger than human studies but it does allow us to speculate and develop better human studies based on what we suspect will be the result in humans.

Edit: The fact is you cannot even be certain when comparing rats to mice since there are unexpected differences between the two unless you know the model holds. Sometimes we assume the results will be the same but you would be surprised how different the two really are.

[Xfaxtor]

you just dont get it - dissecting the organs , blood analysis is harder proof of an effect rather than trying to attempt statistical tests on humans when there are so many control factors - the studies are done from birth to death of the animal.. a randomized control cannot account for former habits of the subject where they might have change their life recently

I think its pretty clear who doesnt get it...

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you just dont get it - dissecting the organs , blood analysis is harder proof of an effect rather than trying to attempt statistical tests on humans when there are so many control factors - the studies are done from birth to death of the animal.. a randomized control cannot account for former habits of the subject where they might have change their life recently

How about responding to post #28.

[synthetic]

The title of the study you linked to is: "Higher Trans Fat Levels in Blood Associated With Elevated Risk of Heart Disease."

What are you trying to prove and to whom? Since you posted it in a response to Xfaxtor, I'm assuming it's in response to something he said. Are you under the impression that he claimed something about trans fat that he didn't?

he was expecting rat studies and I posted human studies to throw him off.

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he was expecting rat studies and I posted human studies to throw him off.

How were those human studies relevant to any claims he made? Or did you know they weren't and you were hoping they'd just "throw him off" and no one would notice?

[synthetic]

LoL wut?

Also, in before rat studies

it is in reply to that - find something more productive to do with your time then trying to argue semantics with someone over the internet

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I'll ask again:

he was expecting rat studies and I posted human studies to throw him off.

How were those human studies relevant to any claims he made? Or did you know they weren't and you were hoping they'd just "throw him off" and no one would notice?

[danell21]

most of us are relatively healthy people, i am not going to worry about trace amounts of synthetic trans fat.. those fat people who do no lifting eat loads of it like every day and even they live to be like 55 or so

[MakeABanana]

it is in reply to that - find something more productive to do with your time then trying to argue semantics with someone over the internet

lolololol, quite possibly my favorite bb.com troll right now

[synthetic]

most of us are relatively healthy people, i am not going to worry about trace amounts of synthetic trans fat.. those fat people who do no lifting eat loads of it like every day and even they live to be like 55 or so

why aim to live to 155 and not 55

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Psst, synthetic, see post #47.