Is it ever justified to fire a guy based on his work performance after only 1 month?

[Duckliver]

I'm not saying that he is a rocket scientist with a 130+ IQ. That said, this is a basic, entry level office job that does not require an extraordinary IQ.

He also seemed laser focused, and highly motivated to do well at the job. He would turn down conversations to do work(one of the only ppl at the office who would do this.) He was always on time.That said, I don't know the full story, but from what I saw, he just needed more time. Perhaps he did or said something to upset someone. That would make more sense, but was unlikely to be the case from I heard. He seemed like a hard worker who was willing to learn.

Also, a 115 IQ is just fine. I would rather take a guy with a 115 IQ, who is educated and holds a good job/contributes to society over some loser with a 130 IQ who does nothing all day, works a chit job , has no education and brags about their IQ all day on r/mensa(pretty much where all the delusional narcissists go)

My mom was convinced I was a genius (she is a narcissist/phsych issues so of course her son would be a genius). Got me tested a bunch 130-135iq but honestly I feel like I’m only good at the mental shape manipulation stuff.

Anyways all it makes me feel like is I’m a failure for what I could of done if I applied myself right. But I have wisdom cope family kids good life etc.. so I don’t dwell on it too much.

But plenty of people who might have been slightly “slower” then me who are much much much smarter just because they spent more time learning things. Also legit smart people like 140+ iq will just make you feel dumb all over again.

[Esploder]

Sometimes, the sooner the better ends up benefiting the fired person more.

[johnnydeep1]

A lot of "educated" Americans think this way though.

This is a basic, entry level office job that does not require an extraordinary IQ. My point is that he should be smart and competent enough to do the job given enough time since he is college educated.

He seemed laser focused, and highly motivated to do well at the job. He would turn down conversations to do work(one of the only ppl at the office who would do this.) He was always on time.That said, I don't know the full story, but from what I saw, he just needed more time. Perhaps he did or said something to upset someone. That would make more sense, but was unlikely to be the case from I heard. He seemed like a hard worker who was willing to learn.

tbh I think its the employers on this one. Don't know the whole story. Theres probably something that I don't know.

[johnnydeep1]

My mom was convinced I was a genius (she is a narcissist/phsych issues so of course her son would be a genius). Got me tested a bunch 130-135iq but honestly I feel like I’m only good at the mental shape manipulation stuff.

Anyways all it makes me feel like is I’m a failure for what I could of done if I applied myself right. But I have wisdom cope family kids good life etc.. so I don’t dwell on it too much.

But plenty of people who might have been slightly “slower” then me who are much much much smarter just because they spent more time learning things. Also legit smart people like 140+ iq will just make you feel dumb all over again.

True.

I don't care too much about IQ. Its mostly just patter recognition and memorizing arbitrary numbers.

[PepperedAngus]

I've fired new hires before lunch on the first day.

Some dogs dont hunt.

[Voidgaze]

This is a basic, entry level office job that does not require an extraordinary IQ. My point is that he should be smart and competent enough to do the job given enough time since he is college educated.

He seemed laser focused, and highly motivated to do well at the job. He would turn down conversations to do work(one of the only ppl at the office who would do this.) He was always on time.That said, I don't know the full story, but from what I saw, he just needed more time. Perhaps he did or said something to upset someone. That would make more sense, but was unlikely to be the case from I heard. He seemed like a hard worker who was willing to learn.

tbh I think its the employers on this one. Don't know the whole story. Theres probably something that I don't know.

It's possible it was the employer who was the problem. Politics can play a huge part in hiring/firing. Someone didn't like him.

[elterrible987]

OP is an engineer, probably makes shot calls from the desk without understanding the field

OP is an engineer on here but is an accountant on reddit

[sowilson]

Sometimes it just isn't a right fit or the employee seems clueless and it's just better to cut ties quickly. Doesn't matter what the person's formal educational level is. However, a good employer always wants their new employees to succeed and you have to onboard folk's properly, which from reading your descriptions sounds like they didn't.

[redraider86]

Ph.d is psychology is useless?

Becoming a psychologist and earning 100K+ is useless?

Organizational psychology and a psychologist in the classical sense are two separate things.

I also almost guarantee you are not getting the full story here. It is alarming to fire someone within a month, but that really should fall back on accountability with the hiring manager.

[johnnydeep1]

I've fired new hires before lunch on the first day.

Some dogs dont hunt.

You waited all the way until lunch?

Some employers actually fire employees on the first nanosecond. If they use the wrong door or walk in the wrong way, its immediate termination. Sometimes they also fire employees for being one nanosecond late to work. For example, if work starts at 8:00, but the employee comes in at 8:00 with 1 nanosecond, he or she is generally fired on the site. One employee was 2 minutes early to work and was fired for being a cuck/suck up, and not made for the job.

Many employers also have started to fire employees from the parting lot. If the employee is seen wearing the wrong cloths or not tucking their shirt in, at the parking lot, its immediate termination, even before the job starts.

Hell some employers have even started to fire employers after the job acceptance letter. If the newly hired employee does not reply fast enough or does not seem excited enough when accepted, he or she is fired on the spot. If they seem too excited or reply too fast, they are then fired for being desperate. Many would be employees who are too late to reply have 2 messages from their inbox nowadays. One letter of termination and another acceptance letter. They are usually set about 5 minutes apart from each other.

HR experts are trying to figure out ways to fire someone after or during the interview process.

[Johnez]

That's the whole purpose of "probation" period. Lol. How old are you OP?

[johnnydeep1]

Organizational psychology and a psychologist in the classical sense are two separate things.

I also almost guarantee you are not getting the full story here. It is alarming to fire someone within a month, but that really should fall back on accountability with the hiring manager.

I mean if they guy had a low IQ or was just lazy or something, its one thing. I saw him actually try hard and he would always work with laser focus.

I bet its something much deeper.

[johnnydeep1]

That's the whole purpose of "probation" period. Lol. How old are you OP?

Typically, probationary periods range from 3 months to 6 months. 1 month is too short to assess.

[MaximumCapacity]

no lol

[Johnez]

Typically, probationary periods range from 3 months to 6 months. 1 month is too short to assess.

Less time wasted for both parties. Imagine being let go at 6 months when you think you're home free and in reality everyone fukking hates you lol.

[johnnydeep1]

no lol

Exactly. He was also laser focused on work.

Either
1. Its the managers fault
2. Theres something that I don't know.

[johnnydeep1]

Less time wasted for both parties. Imagine being let go at 6 months when you think you're home free and in reality everyone fukking hates you lol.

This is a basic, entry level office job that does not require an extraordinary IQ.

He also seemed laser focused, and highly motivated to do well at the job. He would turn down conversations to do work(one of the only ppl at the office who would do this.) He was always on time.That said, I don't know the full story, but from what I saw, he just needed more time. Perhaps he did or said something to upset someone. That would make more sense, but was unlikely to be the case from I heard. He seemed like a hard worker who was willing to learn. Its not like its a Walmart job, and the guy was dealing drugs outside the store or anything.

[Postmort3m]

He wa probably a typical douche when he worked HR and this was payback

[Darkius]

Maybe he flirted with the wrong woman, or a woman just thought he looked ugly. Or maybe he disclosed a political view. Some people can be petty.

[johnnydeep1]

Maybe he flirted with the wrong woman, or a woman just thought he looked ugly. Or maybe he disclosed a political view. Some people can be petty.

true.

[MaximumCapacity]

A guy at my work came back from lunch drunk and passed out. Guy got fired there and only a few of us knew this. Maybe something similar happened

[northernlights7]

Depends on their attitude mostly at 1 month into a job. If they are subpar but have a great attitude about the job/improving their work performance, then that's someone you can possibly work with to the point of getting them where they need to be at the job. On the other hand, if they have a chitty/entitled/etc. attitude despite sucking at the job, it indicates that they can't be worked with to mold them into a quality worker.

[WiseOldApe]

Well either his performance was not good, or he just wasn't a cultural fit - and by cultural fit i mean somebody who holds weight just didn't like him for whatever the fuk reason.

[Midgetkiller]

Depends on the situation.

I've seen slow starters become monsters. It all comes down to the potential you see in them and if it's right for the job.

[MrBourbon]

One month is probably either bad job fit (lied on his resume and can't perform the required tasks) or gross misconduct (came in high, applying for jobs in company computers).

[johnnydeep1]

Depends on the situation.

I've seen slow starters become monsters. It all comes down to the potential you see in them and if it's right for the job.

With his communication abilities, experience and education, id be shocked if he was not made for some basic office job.

Think its the manager

[Drufeus]

Sounds like they didn't train for the job or the guy was a putz. Has nothing to do with degree. Met requirements. It's up to the job to provide the supervision or it's on him. Simple

[DrunkNinjaMastr]

I think its a 6 month period for most jobs, not even 90 days.

Most places I have worked, and from people I have talked to, it's typically a 90 day provisional period until they are fully hired. Most managers will also let the employee work the majority of the 90 days before making the final decision. Managers who make a lot of **** hires tend to have their judgement questioned by their bosses, so it's actually in their best interest to do everything they can to ensure the employee they hired works out, so they will ride it until the end of the provisional period, grasping onto hope they can make this person work out.

My guess is that OPs guy is complete ****, doesn't fit the work culture, or there is something else you don't know about that caused his manager to throw in the towel early.

[notthis]

Usually people can hide how bad they are for at least a couple of months. That's when the cracks start to appear.

[turdburglar9021]

Sounds like they did him a favor tbh