Texas, Florida, Arizona and other Red States getting REKT by Covid-19

[x-trainer ben]

Why did politicians lie to us about imaginary fines/arrests for compliance?

Why did they tell us it would only be two weeks?

I never heard Dr.Fauci say only 2 weeks, i did hear him say a year or until a vaccine is created.
Nope, never heard about fines and arrests, i did think about that in April and May when driving around.


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

[frankdtank20]

Yes, but that 7% is 7% of the tests administered, not 7% of the US population.

According to https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus the US has conducted a total of 165 million tests since the outbreak began. At roughly 7% test positivity rate, that is about 11.5 million positive cases, which is in line with the number of confirmed cases in the US.

Only since the beginning of October has the US passed 1 million tests per day.

I think you're confused on what that 7% test positivity rate is telling you.

We're still talking past each other. Maybe I'm not doing a good job of explaining, as you're not picking up what I'm putting down. Anyway, for the other dude claiming we have just 10% infection since the pandemic began, a few things must be true also.

1. We've caught through testing 1/3rd of all infections. Since December 2019 (at the latest), when this virus began circulating in the USA. At best we were catching 1 in 40 by April/May. I can't speak on right now, but as of 2 months ago we were catching somewhere between 1 in 7-9 through testing. Overall we're lucky if we've caught 1 in 10-12 since this the virus began spreading.

2. The infection fatality rate would have to be 0.75% in the US since the start. It was 0.20-0.26% in April, when doctors were still bumbling around, thinking respirators were the key. Before dexamethasone was given to severe cases, before convalescent plasma use and other treatments.

There are multiple ways to determine 100+ million Americans (most asymptomatic) in total had been infected as of last month. TBH, everything is far more complicated than anything that's been mentioned in this thread. There's a lot of data in dozens of directions to pull together.

Also, I kept the numbers mentioned very conservative compared to what ViolentZ pulled from the sources I gave him. That was not by mistake on my part, as this rabbit hole goes much deeper, bringing a lot of questions along the way. I've tried to keep it simpler than it is. I find when you get complicated, nearly everyone tunes out and misses the message.

[Dave22reborn]

I never heard Dr.Fauci say only 2 weeks, i did hear him say a year or until a vaccine is created.
Nope, never heard about fines and arrests, i did think about that in April and May when driving around.


https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

You never heard of politicians threatening the population with fines/arrests during all of this?

Everyday you claim to watch the news about this crap, and you never heard about governors and mayors talking about fines and arrests?

And why are they lying about it? There are no fines for not wearing a mask, or not social distancing, or illegal social gatherings.

Just once, I'd like to see a journalist or a reporter call them out on their bull****.

[frankdtank20]

I do admire franktanks bold prediction: less than 1 k deaths per week by february or march. That chit has never been seen in usa this whole pandemic.

that takes guts. Lets see

Ofcourse, we agree that biden doesnt to crazy strict lockdowns and there are no rapid tests in the meantime that can drastically alter the outcome. I dont expect the vaccine by that time nor a severe lockdown in most staes, but that rapid antigen test is a major dealbreaker.

The only way I'll be wrong is if flu season goes on longer than normal and vaccine distribution is totally FUBAR.

[x-trainer ben]

You never heard of politicians threatening the population with fines/arrests during all of this?

Everyday you claim to watch the news about this crap, and you never heard about governors and mayors talking about fines and arrests?

And why are they lying about it? There are no fines for not wearing a mask, or not social distancing, or illegal social gatherings.

Just once, I'd like to see a journalist or a reporter call them out on their bull****.

No here in the civilized world, people wear masks and follow the rules/laws so that they can do business and walk inside establishments.
No need for fines and arrests when Jethro wears his mask to walk inside.

[Dave22reborn]

No here in the civilized world, people wear masks and follow the rules/laws so that they can do business and walk inside establishments.
No need for fines and arrests when Jethro wears his mask to walk inside.

Talking about outside Benny.....outside. Try to pay attention.

Can you explain why civilized California has a curfew now?

[Tears]

Just popped in to make sure everyone is wearing their mask and social distancing.


If you're not, you ****ing better.


what most of you don't know is, we cannot live with covid anymore.

[x-trainer ben]

Talking about outside Benny.....outside. Try to pay attention.

Can you explain why civilized California has a curfew now?

That huge dot in socal, watch the video i posted #5891 Davey; try to pay attention to your own country.
There is more to life than overtime and laughing at the people you serve and protect.

[BigDeeps01]

Just popped in to make sure everyone is wearing their mask and social distancing.


If you're not, you ****ing better.


what most of you don't know is, we cannot live with covid anymore.

Miscing with my mask on right now, can't be too careful!

[z4v4]

Just popped in to make sure everyone is wearing their mask and social distancing.


If you're not, you ****ing better.


what most of you don't know is, we cannot live with covid anymore.

That's right. The Great Reset is coming and you'd better get your **** together or pay the consequences, son.

[Tears]

Miscing with my mask on right now, can't be too careful!

That's right. The Great Reset is coming and you'd better get your **** together or pay the consequences, son.

These.

[|ceman]

We're still talking past each other. Maybe I'm not doing a good job of explaining, as you're not picking up what I'm putting down. Anyway, for the other dude claiming we have just 10% infection since the pandemic began, a few things must be true also.

1. We've caught through testing 1/3rd of all infections. Since December 2019 (at the latest), when this virus began circulating in the USA. At best we were catching 1 in 40 by April/May. I can't speak on right now, but as of 2 months ago we were catching somewhere between 1 in 7-9 through testing. Overall we're lucky if we've caught 1 in 10-12 since this the virus began spreading.

2. The infection fatality rate would have to be 0.75% in the US since the start. It was 0.20-0.26% in April, when doctors were still bumbling around, thinking respirators were the key. Before dexamethasone was given to severe cases, before convalescent plasma use and other treatments.

There are multiple ways to determine 100+ million Americans (most asymptomatic) in total had been infected as of last month. TBH, everything is far more complicated than anything that's been mentioned in this thread. There's a lot of data in dozens of directions to pull together.

Also, I kept the numbers mentioned very conservative compared to what ViolentZ pulled from the sources I gave him. That was not by mistake on my part, as this rabbit hole goes much deeper, bringing a lot of questions along the way. I've tried to keep it simpler than it is. I find when you get complicated, nearly everyone tunes out and misses the message.

There's still a lot that is unclear about this virus. We don't know what percent of cases are asymptomatic, which makes it hard to estimate true fatality rate.

There are two things that are certain though from the overall data:

1) The IFR of Covid is far greater than the seasonal flu. You can look at all cause mortality for 2020 to see that we are way above the expected number of overall deaths. This fact is important as there is debate as to what truly counts as a covid death. So instead just look at the variance over the historical mean.

2) The rate of new infections in the last 30 days indicates exploding growth of cases, which would not be indicated if we were nearing the point of herd immunity. By now we've all become quite familiar with the case infection curve, and all variations have a point of accelerating growth when the virus is running rampant, a point of steady new infections where there is flat growth, and then as herd immunity is achieved you are left with the decelerating side of the curve as each day has fewer new cases.

As noted previously, we are not yet at the second stage, so definitely premature to make any determinations that we are already nearing herd immunity. The data just doesn't support it at a macro level.

[mp83]

I just saw on the news that ICUs are overflowing. I know that epidemiologists and doctors said this would happen if we didn't distance and wear masks, but miscers who barely passed high school science class and who believe in QAnon told me that the scientists were wrong. Is it possible that the miscers were wrong?

[Tears]

I just saw on the news that ICUs are overflowing. I know that epidemiologists and doctors said this would happen if we didn't distance and wear masks, but miscers who barely passed high school science class and who believe in QAnon told me that the scientists were wrong. Is it possible that the miscers were wrong?

I will pray for the overflowing hospitals.

Please do the same.

[Tears]

I just saw on the news that ICUs are overflowing. I know that epidemiologists and doctors said this would happen if we didn't distance and wear masks, but miscers who barely passed high school science class and who believe in QAnon told me that the scientists were wrong. Is it possible that the miscers were wrong?

thanks for the rep boyo.

Next time, rep me while not wearing your grandmother's panties.

[mp83]

thanks for the rep boyo.

Next time, rep me while not wearing your grandmother's panties.

I was wearing your mother's panties because I just had sexual intercourse with her. She says to go to bed or she won't bring you anymore tendies

[ceizer1985]

99.97% of people will survive after getting it and it has nothing to with with quality healthcare. ****ing drama queens.....

davey boy.....your math is off again by a couple of percentage points. why do you do this to yourself every few days?

[Tears]

I was wearing your mother's panties because I just had sexual intercourse with her. She says to go to bed or she won't bring you anymore tendies

lol...

[ceizer1985]

Shutting you and another person's claims down. People paying attention aren't scurrying away with a moderate increase in deaths. And deaths of course are not going to head down as we head into cold months. They are to be expected. Combine Covid + flu season = trouble for vulnerable elderly. Covid plus flu or pneumonia will be listed as causes of death, even if a Covid infection was too early to cause the death or the Covid infection had passed but they still tested positive for it. As we head into flu season it's going to be interesting seeing flu deaths automatically labeled Covid deaths when both were present at death. If so, we'll magically have the lowest flu deaths in modern history and the buck will be passed onto Covid. Either way, by the time flu season is ending (normally February) Covid will be ending too. As in the number of deaths will be a fraction what they are now, and it doesn't matter who occupies the White House or if flu season goes on into April. Covid will effectively be over in February. By March we won't see 1000 total deaths per week.

The reason i started tracking daily deaths was to prove to some posters here that deaths were going up starting in early October. And that's been proven beyond a doubt at this stage. So no you haven't shut anything down.

moving on to your point about roping covid+flu deaths together, did you pick that one up on OAN?

and lastly, the claim that covid will be over in February. Lol...yeah sure it will...that's why thousands of scientists around in the world in different countries working for different companies are trying to rush out a vaccine in the next couple of months...just so they can release it to the public right after Covid ends.

[ViolentZ]

Ahum:




76k hos new record
1565 deaths, highest since may!!



Here are the data per usa region, and as u can see, red states are ****ing it up. And clearly, deaths are rising

[ViolentZ]

Just popped in to make sure everyone is wearing their mask and social distancing.


If you're not, you ****ing better.


what most of you don't know is, we cannot live with covid anymore.

Ten tears down!

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status...599444490?s=20
This guy never shuts up about 'muh t cells', if anyone is interested, he just posted a comprehensive review from A to Z, insightfull.
https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/5/53/eabe8063

(warning for conservitards: many words here, lots of reading)


One random quote from this article:

A key question in the field is whether pre-existing T cell responses influence the severity of COVID-19. Pre-existing SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells are unlikely to provide sterilizing or herd immunity but may allow the host to bypass immune evasion mechanisms, for instance evasion from IFN-I, and generate early pressure on the virus.

@franktank: question. If antibodies are waning fast (might be true indeed), how come seroprevalence data from july in new york had 20% of the population infected by measure of antibodies, but their current infection was and is very low. Shouldnt their numbers be lower ? Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...b-surveys.html

[ViolentZ]

Some twitter**** wants to rip the 'all cause' death watchers a new a$$hole, lets read what he gotto say:

https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/s...02782757933056

As anyone who’s worked on epidemics will tell you, there are imperfect data streams early on, and more conclusive data later. But as above shows, sitting around waiting for all the data is not an option in a fast moving outbreak. 2/2

Basically, the gist of his message: relying on excess deaths data to guide your action is faulty, because excess deaths data are slow to come by. After almost a year, we now know we have 300k+ deaths, but in march 2020, there was no such excess deaths in the data gathered yet and march 2020 was full blown covid everywhere.



Cliffs: 8 more weeks

[x-trainer ben]

And coming in first place today our returning defending champion , you know them as the great state of Illinois with a very impressive 12,601!

I would like to thank Dave 22 and all of his like minded associates for working hard to score a first place victory today, keep up the good work!

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

oh and look at the death number......

[Dave22reborn]

And coming in first place today our returning defending champion , you know them as the great state of Illinois with a very impressive 12,601!

I would like to thank Dave 22 and all of his like minded associates for working hard to score a first place victory today, keep up the good work!

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/covid-19-daily-video

oh and look at the death number......

Okay? If only they wore the magical mask, right? And cases are rising worldwide Benny.

[x-trainer ben]

Arizona Governor said we're good for now. **** the media.

1. read the data 9.7% positivity rate/10 is bad
2. 3,206 cases today

Learn to read the data on your own and ignore your politician!

http://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/ep...ards/index.php

[frankdtank20]

@franktank: question. If antibodies are waning fast (might be true indeed), how come seroprevalence data from july in new york had 20% of the population infected by measure of antibodies, but their current infection was and is very low. Shouldnt their numbers be lower ? Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...b-surveys.html

You mostly answered your own question. Most infection in NY was March to June. No surprise they'd have at minimum 20% seroprevalence from antibodies. If anything that's lower than one would expect. I just read a study not long ago that the antibody tests only pick up 74% of recent infections. In truth NY's infection numbers were higher then, not just because of waning antibodies over time, but the tests being used aren't sensitive enough even for recent infection. Interesting factor though is our B lymphocytes, which remember the previous infection, and can make new antibodies quickly.

Places hit hard at the beginning generally have lower viral spread right now, as to be expected. Places that were practically virgin territory like the Dakotas and Wisconsin are getting it hard now, again as to be expected.

A simple way to think of this all is like running. Your antibodies are your sprinters. Your T-cells and B lymphocytes are your marathon and ultra distance runners.

I think I know where you're going with your comments, here's a quick explanation for anyone reading. Some of this is for sure, some of it is unconfirmed, educated hypothesis. While most of the US population now has preexisting or acquired immunity to this coronavirus (yes), even if we're immune, we may be able to pass the virus on to others (maybe). Antibodies wax the virus quickly (yes). T-cells and B lymphocytes take a little longer to kill it (yes). So even an immune person may get some very mild symptoms upon exposure or re-exposure (maybe). In that window of time while their T-cells and B lymphocytes are responding slower than a high level of antibodies do, the person may be able to pass the virus on to others (maybe).

[x-trainer ben]

Okay? If only they wore the magical mask, right? And cases are rising worldwide Benny.

Rising some....
Not like the defending champion, well played sir!

[Dave22reborn]

Rising some....
Not like the defending champion, well played sir!

What state are you living in, where you're acting so smug?

And if they're only slightly rising, then why is Europe pretty much locked down again?

[x-trainer ben]

What state are you living in, where you're acting so smug?

And if they're only slightly rising, then why is Europe pretty much locked down again?

As Republicans taught us, we don't care about Europe, focus on us.
Smug?
You laughed at my being smart and careful doing normal things carrying out daily tasks; so it is IRONIC as FK...... that it has come back to bite your region.
What is the result, worst status in the USA.
Maybe doing basic things, make a difference.

[x-trainer ben]

I just look at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/arizona/

I know cases are going up, I just don't care. People who are scared can lock themselves up.

i just linked your state gov data, you do you, i don't care.