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03-11-2021, 06:43 PM #5011
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03-12-2021, 07:32 AM #5016*Leftism is a mental illness crew*
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03-12-2021, 07:34 AM #5017*Leftism is a mental illness crew*
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03-12-2021, 12:49 PM #5019*Leftism is a mental illness crew*
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03-15-2021, 08:27 AM #5020#blackriflelivesmatter
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03-15-2021, 04:21 PM #5021*Leftism is a mental illness crew*
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03-21-2021, 09:34 AM #5022
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03-25-2021, 06:03 AM #5024
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03-25-2021, 02:11 PM #5025
Honestly, speaking as the only lefty in this thread, gun laws are so far off my radar. First of all, common sense tells you that the people who obey laws are a bit different than the people who shoot places up.
I’m sick of the shootings, but I don’t think laws are going to solve the problem. It’s like the war on drugs...great, you made something against the law. You didn’t solve the problem. You just made something to throw money and funding at instead of focusing on things that will actually improve peoples lives.
You want people to stop shooting places up? Maybe fix the ever-widening chasm between the haves and the have-nots. Address the origin of the problem.
I don’t particularly care about guns one way or the other. Seriously don’t care. But I can’t stand the thought of spending a bunch of money to enforce new gun laws that aren’t going to stop a single shooting."I think computer viruses should count as life...I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We have created life in our own image"
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03-25-2021, 03:28 PM #5026
It's funny the media stopped reporting as much on the Colorado massacres when it came out the guy was a muslim from syria.
Because conveniently that would turn the topic from gun control to open borders and immigration and that doesn't fit the new agenda does it? ;}.
Honestly all anyone needs to do is look at gun violence statistics in red vs blue states (pro-2A vs anti-2A) and it can't be any more clear
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03-25-2021, 04:13 PM #5027
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03-25-2021, 04:43 PM #5028*Leftism is a mental illness crew*
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03-25-2021, 06:24 PM #5029
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03-25-2021, 07:07 PM #5030
I appreciate your thoughtfulness on the new laws part.
I also would disagree with the have and have-nots part as the main reason. I'm not saying that it can't be a contributing factor.
One main factor has been shown to be the absence of a positive father figure. I read a report about mass shooters as well as gang members...lack of a positive, close male role model was there in nearly every one of the cases studied. I'll try to remember to find and post it.#blackriflelivesmatter
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03-25-2021, 07:12 PM #5031
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03-25-2021, 09:20 PM #5032
imo the main issue at hand that fuels all of this gun control bullsh_t from politicians is control.
the elites want to control the peasants and make them dependent on the govt. it has nothing to do with protecting the children and everything to do with screwing over the middle class
guns are inanimate objects, they are not capable of killing people. it takes an evil minded person to do that
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03-25-2021, 09:25 PM #5033
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03-26-2021, 02:22 AM #5034
Now why would the govt want to disarm it's citizens?? Hmmm? Not because they plan to do something that would warrant us shooting them over it, right? No, no way they would ever do that. There can't possibly be any nefarious reason behind it right? The govt wants what's best for all of us
Don't you just love a state controlled monopoly on murder and violence
Get your body armor too, before biden bans that. New York is already passing legislation to make it illegal
They are literally trying to ban things that citizens use for self defense. Makes you really wonderLast edited by Drips617; 03-26-2021 at 02:28 AM.
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03-26-2021, 02:30 AM #5035
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03-26-2021, 02:34 AM #5036
There's a glimmer of hope. If an AWB couldn't get passed after sandy hook, as tragic as that was, I dont think it will now. There's always executive orders, but I'll have faith in the SCOTUS when that day comes
Plus look at the 2014 midterms after the AWB failed to pass. Democrats got slaughtered with that being a large factor. And they know history will repeat itself if they push too hard.
Dianne Feinstein is a perfect example of why we need term limits. This dried up old cooter needs to go, like 2 decades ago. She should retire, or die. either is fine with me.*Leftism is a mental illness crew*
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03-26-2021, 03:34 AM #5037
So, we at least agree that it’s nurture (you saying it’s lack of a positive role model, me saying that it’s having struggle while seeing other people glide) and not nature (mental instability)? While, of course one has to be mentally unstable to do sht like that - it’s a condition, not a cause.
So, as far as the positive male role model...I can see the case for that. It reminds me of crime in the 1980’s:
Through the 1980’s crime rates were rising and rising. People were calling it an epidemic and it was headline news just about every night (the 24hr news cycle really wasn’t as much of a thing then).
Around 1990, it mysteriously started falling. Nobody could figure out why. Economists studied this for years trying to figure out why it would rise so steadily and just fall.
Turns out that around 1973, a SCOTUS ruling made it so fewer unwanted children were born. 17 is right around the age that you’d expect an unwanted child to commit crimes. They actually figured this out because of Romania doing the opposite many years earlier and mandating couples have children. The whole story is written in Freakonomics...but I already gave away the end.
So...I can believe there is some pretty good support for what you’re saying.
Whether the issue is opportunity gap, or male role models, or even if it is mental health - no gun law is going to remediate it. That’s kind of my point. Gun laws are a cash grab for the criminal justice system because all you’ll ever do is incarcerate 10:1 people who were never going to commit a violent act to begin with.
Gun laws are knee-jerk reactions to try and get some sort of “they’re doing something!” orgasmic reaction from liberals like me every time there is another shooting. They will do nothing to stop the problem. It’s just going to create more non-violent criminals."I think computer viruses should count as life...I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We have created life in our own image"
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03-26-2021, 04:19 AM #5038*Leftism is a mental illness crew*
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03-26-2021, 05:58 AM #5039
Every side is washed out by their squeakiest wheels. Like I’ve said before; we largely agree on the destinations - we disagree on the routes. Most Dems I know have the same basic feelings. Things start to diverge on this wedge issue or that. I don’t know a single democrat who wants gun laws because they’re just anti-gun. Those who do just want killings to stop - they’re anti-killing. We disagree about the right way to get there.
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03-26-2021, 06:20 AM #5040
unrelated but i need to hear your thoughts on this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...th-checks.html
What exactly is the thought process behind this, thinking that a policy like this is righteous and justified? How is this not neo-segregation, neo-racism? My brain can't even compute right now.*Leftism is a mental illness crew*
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